AMD Ryzen Discussion Thread.

[Hood]

I think you're looking at it wrong, and do not agree with your summary here. What some people are relaying as a problem isn't necessarily actually so.

True, it's early days to make any conclusive judgments. The memory and L3 problems might be fixed soon, or may require "Ryzen 2.0" tweaks to the architecture. Either way, it will get better. We haven't even seen the 4 and 6 core varieties, they could be much better, or possibly delayed for optimization if they suck - we'll have to wait and see...

 

[eidairaman1]

While this is spot on, it doesn't solve the issue either.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend Ryzen to a professional "time is money" type now because of the tweaking required, and well, time is money. But give it a few bios updates on the boards and time to mature, and I very well might.

Yup Im not jumping the gun, im comparing the board specs via their manuals, I may grab the ryzen system in December after some better yields/steppings appear and bios are better, and maybe better boards to boot.

 

[ZoneDymo]

As the OP, I assure you I didn't write the Newegg review, don't own a Ryzen CPU, and probably never will. Also, I would never write a review like that, or give up so easily while building a new system. Calling my post "clickbait" doesn't change the fact that most people who frequent TPU are interested in how the whole Ryzen platform pans out, for many different reasons. I already stated my reasons for making the original post. What is your reason for being offended by it? All of us are now better informed about the situation, thanks to people on this site who built Ryzen systems and shared their experiences. The post's title has everything to do with the content, sorry if that wasn't to your liking - were you hoping for a Zen miracle to replace your aging Sandy Bridge rig? I thought Hal B's review was hilarious, on several levels, sorry you didn't see the humor.

The title is:
Ryzen already falling?

and your argument is linking one buyer on amazon.com or equivalent, and you think that that somehow equates that title?
You are hinting at something much larger that is just not taking place, or it might be but your are not providing the proof.

Do I have to dig up 1 person not happy with their Nvidia card and make a new threat with the header "Consumers lash back and poor performance from Nvidia" ?
Do I have to dig up 1 person not happy with their Tesla car because the autopilot did not prevent a fenderbender and add the header "Tesla Autopilot claims another consumer, will tesla survive?" ?

If you cannot see how this title with the provided content is blowing something way out of proportions and if you cannot see that's problematic at best, then idk what to say, its pretty much clear as day.

 

[RejZoR]

My god, Ryzen was released for freaking few days and you all go full on drama. I can't believe you people are "techies".

 

[xkm1948]

I wonder how much of these posts are paid Intel PR. Not just TPU, but every single major tech press forum site, enough to make people feel suspicious of something else going on in the background.

 

[yotano211]

I might be looking at Ryzen to do video editing for youtube and streaming games at the same point.

 

[Ferrum Master]

You guys ( and gals) remember when the Athlon 64 was released and all we had was VIA chipset motherboards!! OMG!! It was like pulling a tooth just to get my rig to post. Buggy as hell.
Then Nvidia released the nForce 2 chipset and whoa it was like a whole new animal that Intel couldn't do anything with. Turned it into a beast.
In short they will figure out the issues and all the butt hurt people that jumped on the bandwagon will shut up and enjoy.

Nforce2 was a socket A board. Nforce 3 was the first for K8.

 

[R-T-B]

My god, Ryzen was released for freaking few days and you all go full on drama. I can't believe you people are "techies".

I can. I blame the human race more than the occupation. More often than not, stupidity prevails. I've seen it in both the highs and lows of society.

-RTB, certified frog-philosopher

 

[GreiverBlade]

Hardly ever. It just struck me that, with all the positive reviews, hardly anyone is talking about the bugs and platform limitations. So, the point of my thread was to warn people whose enthusiasm for Ryzen may cause them to overlook these problems, resulting in more complaints from disappointed buyers like Hal B. Half the reviews for the 1800x have titles like "Please know what you are buying". I think a lot of gamers will buy these before they realize they're not really optimum for gaming, just because it's a great new chip from AMD. The more cautious will wait for the platform to mature, which I believe it will, unlike the hapless Hal B.
Also, it's a slow Sunday and there are no new articles/hardware reviews to read, so I wanted to start a discussion about Ryzen, which seems to be on everyone's radar now (including mine; I still build systems for people occaisionally, and need to know about all the viable options and price points).

i do mainly gaming ... and i will still plan a R7 1700 rig ...
gaming wise i saw 1080p video comparison that placed it straight in the same performance area of a 1.2ghz higher clocked 7700K ... yep Ryzen suck at gaming ...

nonetheless if i can get a 8C/16T for a 3rd of the 6900K prices (and performances close enough, as a 1700 is the same as a 1700X/1800X... only without XFR and slightly lower clocked ... but quite cheaper ) i would be a fool to not take it ...
why paying 376chf for a 7700K in that case (the R7 1700 is also at that price for me )

now on that review ... it's funny ... just funny ... not even informative or slightly correct.

p.s. it's the 1st negative customer review i saw ... otherwise most i saw was "it's good enough" "so-so" and "well, good job AMD" (mostly from Youtube and "professional site" ) also ... Newegg reviews ....

to me, Ryzen looks like the new Price/Perf king but unlike previous iteration of AMD's CPU, this time it has the performances to back it up (even the "pricey" 1800X is technically unbeatable, for now, at his own price) mobo need to mature a bit more (but their price is accorded to intel's mobo and not really too high either)

 

[Ferrum Master]

I blame the human race.

-RTB, certified frog-philosopher

You racist frog Show us the papers

 

[RejZoR]

He's the most racist frog right after Pepe and Kek.

 

[Kanan]

I 99% agree with this, what do you guys think?
Once again he did a great work on analysing informations over a long period of time to come to conclusions that make a lot of fucking sense.

 

[springs113]

I 99% agree with this, what do you guys think?
Once again he did a great work on analysing informations over a long period of time to come to conclusions that make a lot of fucking sense.

First video that ever had me check results for myself.

 

[R-T-B]

It's specist, thank you very much. I hate all humans equally.

 

[qubit]

Gonna watch this video when I get time. Sounds intriguing.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Change power mode to high performance and disable SMT for highest scores. Makes sense and nothing really new.

I don't think he ever really explained why Ryzen does poor at low resolution but he is right that running low resolutions to check CPU game performance is nonsense. Makes more sense to run it balls to the wall and see if it bottlenecks. Gaming CPU benchmarks should be bottleneck centric and not frame rate centric.

 

[Basard]

I think it did better against Intel than the original Phenom did upon it's release release. It's not an Athlon, but it's better than a Phenom, or a Phenom II even. Can't wait for Ryzen v.2, some faster RAM would be nice.... I run DDR3 2133, so what's the point of that?

 

[the54thvoid]

What if the next gen Navi card and or Volta is so fast that at 1440p or even 4k the CPU becomes relevant? If the CPU holds back gaming at 1080p compared to the competition in certain games, it is relevant.
I'm swinging like a pendulum over 7700k or 1800X so it's relevant to me. I'll keep this CPU for years do if it does have an issue for a design reason, it's really important to see what that is.
Let's not all be AMD protectionists here, let's use a little sense. Yes, it's great at multitasking, why not so much at gaming (when cinebench single thread score is good)?

And I'll put my money where my mouth is here, even though I don't need the 1800X, I will but it if I go Ryzen to support AMD. It also helps that I think from reviews, the chips have been binned for their price.

 

[qubit]

@the54thvoid Go Intel. It's a no-brainer. The thing is faster and works properly. Let AMD prove themselves to you. So far they haven't with lower performance and a buggy platform. It's not our job to have faith in them.

 

[OneCool]

Nforce2 was a socket A board. Nforce 3 was the first for K8.

Thank you... I realized that after posting lol

I'm old...CRS is becoming a thing now :/

 

[springs113]

I have no real need to upgrade/side grade from a 5930k-r5e10-290Xs but i will be going for Ryzen. I think AMD already proved that its a helluva CPU for gaming and content creation. IPC is very comparable to Intel(dwnclk 7700k) and compare and you'll see. Not that any one would buy a 7700k to dwnclk it but ideally you get my point. The 6900k/5960x performs similarly in just about all aspects yet ppl don't trounce upon Intel. Given the budget that AMD have and with them also competing in the gpu front I'm glad with the performance of Ryzen in comparison to what they had before and definitely in comparison to what Intel is offering. My last AMD build was a Phenom 955BE, my current Intel rig does wonders but I'm buying AMD. I support those that support me, competition supports me. The product being offered(Ryzen) is no dud, performs better than my 5930k, cost less, rivals a $1,000 processor that i(wanted but not forking over that kinda money). Why would i not support that.

I bought my x99 system launch day (deluxe mobo originally) and although my system ran near flawlessly it still had its quirks. It still does but very tolerable now...I'm just waiting this one out until it's ironed out for the most part and will purchase when the kinks are ironed out.

 

[EarthDog]

Any cliff's on this 20 min vid... jebus...

 

[BiggieShady]

I'm not sure why but ok.

Maybe the fact that there is a cache latency jump when L3 spills over 8MB even when thread stays in single core cluster, so scheduling tweaks can't help (other than fix smt).

 

[Aenra]

I did run into issues with Ryzen, but once I had a proper memory kit, and the right board, things all work great and there are just some performance issues left over. Some of these cannot be fixed, contrary to many posts suggesting otherwise. Yet because I was able to get such an experience by merely choosing the right parts

Elaborate please!
Both in terms of the hardware (and i mean mobo brand + ram brand, specifics) and in terms of solutions(?) advised elsewhere? So far, all i've come across is a 'disable the SMT' approach, but to be fair, no one has branded this as a "solution".
Not trying to disprove you, this is honest curiosity. You gals n guys often take things for granted that the rest of us are not even aware of

 

[RejZoR]

I don't see a reason to turn of SMT. Have HT capable CPU for the cca 8 years and I couldn't ever see a reason to turn HT off. Because of 5fps difference in games, but getting 30-40% less performance in data crunching? WHY!?