I mostly see people trying to have an intelligent discussion and hardly any "insults/ridiculousness" at all. *shrug*
Then you obviously aren't reading closely enough, because from my point of view, there has been exactly the opposite.
Meanwhile, every time I asked You about that I was silently ignored. [yes, more than once. srsly, man, WTH]
If You claim to know that much (and claim You a lot - nearly every post), why don't You share it? Nobody will care if You flail around claiming to know everything, while not showing anything to back it up.
First of all, to say that I "flail around" is an insult itself. These are words on a screen, no "flailing" can take place. Unnecessary. And if I did, perhaps, ignore something you've said, it wasn't on purpose and it was probably because of snide remarks such as that. I have no problem discussing anything, so what exactly have you asked me that I haven't answered? Please feel free to ask me anything and I will give you my answer as best as possible and I have no problem admitting when I don't know enough to answer you. I'm not trying to be arrogant here, I'm just trying to explain that I understand what I'm talking about as other's have tried to insinuate that I do not.
Also, keep in mind my word choice, because I'm very careful with what I say, and I didn't say that I know everything, I said "just about", which leaves room for a lot of information. I am not a chip designer (though I'd like to be one day), so I can't quite tell you certain in-depth details, but I can provide what information is publicly available and provide reasonable predictions and speculation based on that information. Hardware is probably one of the only passions that I have in my life (sad perhaps, but true) and I make it a point to educate myself and search for any piece of new information (rumor or not) regarding this topic on a daily basis.
Interesting discussion...quite in depth for the most part, but interesting all the same..makes me wonder how many watts my 2500k pulls while sitting under load at 5ghz,obviously it's only got half the cores and it was only £150 retail but there is food for thought..
I ran a theoretical calculator which came up with around 189W, however, I found a review that Bit-Tech did that actually had their 2500K clocked to 4.9 (not quite 5.0, but close enough) and theirs was pulling 221W. Keep in mind, these are total system power draw numbers, but you can get an idea of how much more power your system is drawing just by the overclock alone as their value for the stock 2500K running at 3.3GHz pulled 148W, so a 73W increase. By the way, grats on getting a golden chip that'll hit 5.0GHz. What kind of cooling are you running if you don't mind me asking?
It would be a good idea if we get back to discussing the CPU as opposed to each others personalities.... thank you!
Dont get me wrong, the AMD series is excellent, and is fully capable of running dual GPU setups. I ran two 570's and two 7950's on an 8350 with no complaints other than drivers for the cards and the occasional game that didnt have crossfire support. The 8350 was and is still my favourite CPU in the last few generations. However the skt2011 does actually produce more frames in multiple GPU setups. I wouldnt want to come across as an AMD fanboy, so I would have to openly and clearly state that the high end intel are far better at bleeding all the performance out of multiple GPU setups. I just prefer the AMD featureset overall, intel has PCI 3.0, AMD seemingly has everything else, including multiple SATA 6Gb/s support in comparison to Intel's mere two on mid end MoBos, and PLX at a cheaper price.
You're not coming off as an unreasonable brainwashed AMD Fanboy, but you admit to being an AMD fan. Me too. I do wish that AMD had included PCIE 3.0 in Vishera, but I suppose I wouldn't really quite need it since I haven't gone with my triple monitor setup yet, requiring multi-gpu's. PCIE 2.0 is good enough for a single card at the moment, but god damn will both AMD and NVidia hurry up and release their new mid level cards already!? I don't like spending $500 on a single card. I'd rather spend $200 on two mid level cards and run SLi/XF, or just find a upper mid-range card that can meet my needs (60fps avg, w/4xMSAA). I might actually need something twice as good in the near future as I'm considering getting a 3D setup (I played Arkham Asylum in 3D and it was fantastic - 3D Vision, never tried AMD's version yet).
Anyway, back to the thread subject. I'm not saying it's a bad chip overall, just not one that I would buy nor one that I would recommend for someone looking for a new rig right now. This new Piledriver doesn't add anything new, such as PCIE 3.0, it' simply the same old chip, with better binning and higher clock rate. For someone who is looking to purchase a new rig right now and are intent on AMD, I would advise them to wait just a little while longer and they can have an a better overall processor.
I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade who wanted to jump for joy at the news of a 5GHz part. I honestly believe that's an incredible feat for AMD to have achieved. I mean, 20-25% increase in clock just from 1 year of process maturity, that's pretty sick, and that jump in clock will definitely narrow the gap between AMD and Intel in terms of overall performance. Something I think AMD has needed to do for a while now and it looks like they are finally on track. YAY for a company that we all thought might have gone under. They really saved their asses, especially with capturing all the major video game console contracts.
The only things I'm concerned about with SR is that they are moving from SOI to Bulk for their process and it will be early in terms of maturity. Hopefully the time they have between Kaveri and their next FX line will be enough to mature the process so that we can perhaps see something similar to this 20% clock speed increase in this PD 2.0 when SRFX comes out. Fingers crossed.