AMD's next-gen RDNA 2 rumor: 40-50% faster than GeForce RTX 2080 Ti

[Mr Bill]

One thing for sure is, the everyday search for more speed will keep Nvidia, AMD, Intel very happy, and help us poor folks, to be able to buy the "just" outdated hardware at a 50% discount.

 

[Ja.KooLit]

Ill be happy even if it is 40% faster. Either way, competition is good.

 

[HD64G]

It is already confirmed by the yesterday shown official benchmarks that the rumour about Big Navi being 40-50% faster than 2080Ti was true from the start. Price is the big ? now and a smaller one is the power draw (estimations placing it at 250-270W) and thermals/noise of the new cooler shroud.

 

[cueman]

rumors,thouse leak alot,and now amd doing it or amd partners.

rx 6900 xt is and cant be nothing else than 2 x rx 5700 xt CF with Rt support.

rdna2 is still same 7nm core and gddr6 mems, i mean both rdna1 and rdna2....

amd info rx 6900xt tdp is 300W...it sure, that thouse watts no deal for rx 3080 performance and also no way 45% faster than rtx 2080 ti....or amd doing miracle!
we must remembe fact, rtx 2080 ti IS 45% faster than fastest rx 5700 xt gpu what is sapphire rx 5700xt nitro+, tdp 285w offical. google...
but that nitro+ rx 5700xt version loose even rtx 2070 super Fe gpu....enough..

so,remembe,rx 6900 xt loose about 20-25% for rtx 3080 10gb version,and rtx 3080 20gb version with amd ryzen cpu for PC 5-10% more at least.

for rtx 3090 gpu,with thouse rigs, different is about 45%..yes

and amd rx 6900 xt TDP ...or do i say power eat is over 360W.

if,i repeat if amd rx 6900xt was even close rtx 3080 10gb performance,you will 100% sure seeing more amds ' leaks' from internet...
reason is that rtx 3000 series selling like hell and really earn it btw, and amd not like it...but...seen any leaks...why? cant do it?

remembe my presents and see yourself 28 october...but as i say... rtx 3080 20gb super and rtx 3080 TI coming. if need....

ryzen 5900 cpu is excellent for all PC rigs,and amd using that it own odd tease leak...and odd games choice...no1 site not use thouse games...??
.,and rx 6900 xt 16gb memory help just there 4K resolution,so 20gb rtx 3080 is perfect compare.


wait and see..you too...

anyway, we need amd,nvidia and also intel Xe gpus, coming great battle...where is intel Xe...think its go 2021.. as also intel 1st 10nm cpu.

all great weekends!!

 

[Super XP]

Umm the 5700XT wasn't hyped last I checked. But Vega was hyped by the AMD Fan community. RDNA2 isn't being hyped as much as Vega was, I consider it being cautiously hyped because I believe AMD has something really good.

 

[Fouquin]

rx 6900 xt is and cant be nothing else than 2 x rx 5700 xt CF with Rt support.

rdna2 is still same 7nm core and gddr6 mems, i mean both rdna1 and rdna2....

You are forgetting that an architecture is not the process node. As AMD literally just showed everyone with their Ryzen 5000 announcement you can build a better chip without changing process nodes or even package type.

 

[Maye88]

Chiphell leaks it:

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我也来一发对Navi21、22、23的估计 - 电脑讨论 - Chiphell - 分享与交流用户体验

我也来一发对Navi21、22、23的估计,如图，196.8%*221w/340w/84.7%=1.51能效比提升50%，按照350w tdp计，性能差不到哪去，但是要保持N卡的IPC提升节奏有点难，rdna1好不容易赶上图灵，这次就拿频率来凑旗舰 ...,电脑讨论,讨论区-技术与经验的讨论 ,Chiphell - 分享与交流用户体验

www.chiphell.com

If you translate the site, it literally says ESTIMATES in the title. I saw this earlier and as much as I want it to be true I can't take it as anything more than speculation. Unless someone can provide an accurate translation of what was said by the poster that states otherwise.

Navi 21 XE is an OEM only variant. Just like Navi 10 XE was OEM only. There are only 3 consumer SKUs based on Device IDs: Navi21 XTX, Navi21 XT and Navi21 XL. Everything else is OEM, Apple or Pro variants. Comparing these with the Navi 10 series the Navi 10 XT was the 5700XT and the Navi 10 XL was the 5700. XTX was used for Navi 10 Anniversary Edition and before that the Vega Founder's Edition. Thus the XTX should be the highest end SKU.

The 6800 and 6800XT cards are likely cut down to 72 CUs for yields while only the 6900 XTX has the full fat 80 CUs.

My theory. The clocks are a bit of a guess but you get the idea.

Navi 21 XTX = 6900XTX: 80CU 2300Mhz (+11% perf over 6800XT) [Basic math 80CUs/72Cus = 1.11x faster.]
Navi 21 XT = 6800XT: 72CU 2300Mhz (+12% perf)
Navi 21 XL = 6800: 72 CU 2050Mhz (base)

Many speculate that AMD did not tease their highest end SKU. I agree. Now whether they showed Navi 21 XT or Navi 21 XL we do not know. That AMD did not show their highest model is supported by an interview Scott Herkelman gave in which he stressed that AMD did not state which GPU they showed.

If the card teased was Navi 21 XT (6800XT) then the Navi 21 XTX (6900 XTX), likely ~11% faster, should trade blows with the 3090.

However, If the card teased was the Navi 21 XL (6800) then the higher clocked 6800XT will beat the 3080 (!) and is positioned to compete with any 3080 Super/Ti variant Nvidia introduces. More importantly the 6900XTX should beat the 3090 in most games.

Edit: I want to add that Lisa Su stated that they showed Big Navi which the internet itself named. This moniker has only ever applied to Navi 21 and its variants. Thus the GPU they teased can only be one of these 3 models. Any speculation that this was Navi 22 they showed is wrong as it has never been considered Big Navi.

 

[Zach_01]

It is already confirmed by the yesterday shown official benchmarks that the rumour about Big Navi being 40-50% faster than 2080Ti was true from the start. Price is the big ? now and a smaller one is the power draw (estimations placing it at 250-270W) and thermals/noise of the new cooler shroud.

If we are going to believe rumors the best thing AMD can offer in almost a month is a close to 3080 performance, mostly loosing by it and maybe wining in some, less than 3080 RTRT perf as it is alleged to implement that workload inside the same architecture and not on some dedicated RT cores, some DLSS equivalent probably with somewhat less quality and around 300W draw or may be a little more. Pricewise will be very 3080 competitive and if all the above is true AMD knows that it must be priced accordingly and aggresively otherwise it wont stand a chance. Hence all the following: the GDDR6 usage (cheaper than GDDR6X and less power hungry), the low memory bus width (256bit(?) = less expensive and complicated design, less core power utilization, less transistor usage), and of course the implementation of a very large cache memory to compensate. And all this cant be true with current 7nm node. The also rumored 2.2GHz turbo boost + the little higher transistor density suggests the next enhanced node 7NP (not 7nm+) by TSMC.

Again if all this is true, AMD has chosen a very different path that may present the chance to compete in price whilst offers a really close to 3080 performance.

More to come with RDNA3

 

[ARF]

The RTX 2080Ti seems so SLOW nowadays

It's made on the old 16/12nm TSMC process back in September 2018, when AMD got its first 7nm card only 4 months later - in February 2019 with the current top card - the Radeon VII.

 

[cueman]

well i cant belive its 45% faster than rtx 2080 ti...i will anyway want see it first...aand then what is tdp,real one gaming tdp i mean.

fact is that amd FASTEST rx 5700 xt gpu is sapphire nitro+ Special Edition gpu and its 44% slower than rtx 2080 ti.

and,all know that rx 6900 xt is clear 2x5700xt CF mode gpu,so it just cant. it wont work. anyway tdp is very high over 450W that case.

but even then its can be 10% maybe max 20% faster than rtx 2080 ti,but it must running high way clocks.

amd also get info out that rx 6900 xt tdp is 300W, only 300W for that tdp cant belive it.

i mean if rx 6900 xt tdp was somewhere 360-400W i belive it.


bcoz there is internet tested example rx 5600xt and rx5700 CF mode, and that tdp was 464W, yes 464W
doesent matter how much amd so called optimazed it 7nm core, its cant cut 120W off.
even RT support eat juice more.. i guess 25-50W.

rtx 3080 320W is excellent value when we look its performance. truly 4K gpu.

sure amd cant beat it,its clear calculate and re-search work and compare work..nothing else, amd cant brake physical laws.

i mean if it can,sure...100% sure we will see for now and must earlier many 'leaks' on net from amd.

reson is clear, rtx 3000 series selling like hell and amd not like it at all,its want stop it,
and best way is stop it is lay out 'leaks' rx 6900 xt performance fps...but only if they are good ones..
seen any? no.

except lisa su odd choice cherry picked games and rigs that no1 cant test,example 5900xt ryzen 12-core cpu. hmm..
and also what isee, rx 6900 xt have 16gb memory,its help just there high resolution, 4K games, so rtx 3080 20gb version with now ryzen 5900xt cpu best choice for battle.
until intel Rocket lake cpu coming Q1/2020.,,lol

and btw, every1 want intel Adler Lake hydrib cpu when it coming Q2/2021, its intel 1st 10nm cpu and also hydrib, terrible blood freeze performance and efficency! wait little. lol

so,i say, rx 6900 xt loose rtx 3080 10gb/20Gb 20-35%
and if can get that close,rx 6900 xt tdp will be over 350W, price is about 699-799$ maybe more,if amd continue it zero/2-3% profit politics.

well...blah,blah. lets waiting few weeks and all see.


is it nice to also intel Xe gpu battle line as well, getting then good soap...

2021 they promise...with Adler lake cpu?

 

[Zach_01]

well i cant belive its 45% faster than rtx 2080 ti...i will anyway want see it first...aand then what is tdp,real one gaming tdp i mean.

fact is that amd FASTEST rx 5700 xt gpu is sapphire nitro+ Special Edition gpu and its 44% slower than rtx 2080 ti.

and,all know that rx 6900 xt is clear 2x5700xt CF mode gpu,so it just cant. it wont work. anyway tdp is very high over 450W that case.

but even then its can be 10% maybe max 20% faster than rtx 2080 ti,but it must running high way clocks.

amd also get info out that rx 6900 xt tdp is 300W, only 300W for that tdp cant belive it.

i mean if rx 6900 xt tdp was somewhere 360-400W i belive it.


bcoz there is internet tested example rx 5600xt and rx5700 CF mode, and that tdp was 464W, yes 464W
doesent matter how much amd so called optimazed it 7nm core, its cant cut 120W off.
even RT support eat juice more.. i guess 25-50W.

rtx 3080 320W is excellent value when we look its performance. truly 4K gpu.

sure amd cant beat it,its clear calculate and re-search work and compare work..nothing else, amd cant brake physical laws.

i mean if it can,sure...100% sure we will see for now and must earlier many 'leaks' on net from amd.

reson is clear, rtx 3000 series selling like hell and amd not like it at all,its want stop it,
and best way is stop it is lay out 'leaks' rx 6900 xt performance fps...but only if they are good ones..
seen any? no.

except lisa su odd choice cherry picked games and rigs that no1 cant test,example 5900xt ryzen 12-core cpu. hmm..
and also what isee, rx 6900 xt have 16gb memory,its help just there high resolution, 4K games, so rtx 3080 20gb version with now ryzen 5900xt cpu best choice for battle.
until intel Rocket lake cpu coming Q1/2020.,,lol

and btw, every1 want intel Adler Lake hydrib cpu when it coming Q2/2021, its intel 1st 10nm cpu and also hydrib, terrible blood freeze performance and efficency! wait little. lol

so,i say, rx 6900 xt loose rtx 3080 10gb/20Gb 20-35%
and if can get that close,rx 6900 xt tdp will be over 350W, price is about 699-799$ maybe more,if amd continue it zero/2-3% profit politics.

well...blah,blah. lets waiting few weeks and all see.


is it nice to also intel Xe gpu battle line as well, getting then good soap...

2021 they promise...with Adler lake cpu?

Please... 6900 series GPUs are not 2x5700XTs in CF mode. You do not know what you are talking about. It will be about 300W with double or more the raw performance of a 5700XT.
How?

Please be my guest:

AMD Big Navi Performance Claims Compared to TPU's Own Benchmark Numbers of Comparable GPUs

Makes me wonder was what the whole point of releasing RDNA1,something with feature parity with Vega, so already obsolete at launch. Primitive shaders are dead by now. Both Microsoft and Khronos went for Mesh shaders. Two generations of products marketed to have something that never worked and...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[aQi]

It seems like Intel is also coming out with their own line of discrete GPU but I don't seem to know it's progress, when it's gonna come out, if it ever will. Can anyone elaborate more on this?

It's seems to me that Nvidia has it's toe dip deeper into AI tech than Intel or AMD. Even though Intel has their Mobileye division for that, the news hasn't reached my ears.

as far as the situation Intel is struggling to meet the supply demand. Nvidia bothers less into gaming despite the fact its on top still they more bend towards AI and dominates the automotive market in terms of self driven electric vehicles (Tesla & Volvo) and deep machine learning.
On the other hand Intel is slowly taking its grip. With lunch of 10th gen chips with hardware level AI instructions but thats not enough we need graphical punch too.
Decade ago Intel dropped its budget for internal discrete graphics devision and subsequently promoted integrated graphics to exceed limitations with its low TDP
Where Nvidia inspired by the crytek engine consistently worked on ray tracing all these years they conquered modern AI designs ahead of their time.
Now again the cupboards are open by Intel to get into graphics because the igp never was a thing to compete anyway. By looking at the new XE igp demo available on prototype of 11th gen its good even better then before but not

Its all just a possibility for each company to deliver not a product but the future of any consumer.

Amd has impressively dominated Intel. Intel is just hanging onto 3rd party TSMC for 10nm fabrication. So everyone has all the chances to step on Intel for the moment. Nvidia buying ARM and then no contract from apple this year and couple of law suite and infringements brought Intel to split their internal divisions too.

Intel has to bind alot before they can come up with anything better then atleast ryzen and RDNA2.
it will be fun hold on......

 

[P4-630]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1316145669741051905

 

[EarthDog]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1316145669741051905

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Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...I'm tellllllllllllllling.................you posted news........................................................ lolol

On a serious note, I was wondering about RT perf and if they were able to keep up on the first attempt vs Nvidia who is on gen 2.

Cue users minimizing RT because it's supposedly going to be slower on AMD and only on the flagship .........

 

[arbiter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1316145669741051905

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So i guess say problem here "Rumors: #Navi21 #RX6000" Even says RT less then 3080, if the amd card doesn't have dedicated hardware it will could take a big hit kinda like 1000 series does maybe not to that degree of loss.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

This is my prediction and I'll be interested to see where the chips fall in about a month's time after independent reviews:

At 4K:

3080 is 30% faster than 2080 Ti.
16GB 6800X is 25% faster than 2080 Ti.

24GB 6900X is ~35% faster than 2080 Ti (this card is coming next year not in November, this is not the one AMD benchmarked).

Anyone expecting +50% are going to be disappointed. The 3090 is not even close to that kind of performance.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...I'm tellllllllllllllling.................you posted news........................................................ lolol

On a serious note, I was wondering about RT perf and if they were able to keep up on the first attempt vs Nvidia who is on gen 2.

Cue users minimizing RT because it's supposedly going to be slower on AMD and only on the flagship .........

What's Raytracing !? ,Lol