AMD's Zen to have advanced security features that even Kaby Lake doesn't

[qubit]

Looks like AMD is gonna give Intel a run for its money. It also looks like this will provide great security for storing your data in the cloud, among other things.

There are two broad features that I will be talking about in this article as well as a third one on the side. The first two are called SME and SEV, which stands for Secure memory Encryption and Secure Encrypted Virtualization. The third one is hardware based SHA. As I mentioned before, at this moment, no competing Intel architecture has any known features to rival these. At the time of release, Zen will primarily be going up against Skylake and Kabylake based processors, both of which lack the aforementioned features. It is not until Cannonlake and Coffelake that any semblance of parity is expected to be present between the two platforms – and even then it won’t be complete.

http://wccftech.com/amd-zen-encryption-sme-sev-hw-based-sha

 

[dorsetknob]

Iceing on the Turd/Cake
It will only matter if Zen can come close to latest Intel chips in terms of overall performance

we wait in Hope

 

[qubit]

dorset, so it will be a choice between being super secure with AMD or getting stuff done with Intel.

Nah, that's probably a bit cruel.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Iceing on the Turd/Cake
It will only matter if Zen can come close to latest Intel chips in terms of overall performance

we wait in Hope

Now it's over all performance, wasn't IPC the end all though?

I like this news, new tech ,good times, can't say more since I haven't a clue how this might benefit me tbh so I won't.

 

[dorsetknob]

with this New Secure AMD CPU and "IF" performance is Close to latest Intel Chips if may force Intel to make its Tick /Tock in to Tick/Clunktock

Now it's over all performance, wasn't IPC the end all though?

Its Always BEEN ABOUT PERFORMANCE before cost Effectivness

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

with this New Secure AMD CPU and "IF" performance is Close to latest Intel Chips if may force Intel to make its Tick /Tock in to Tick/Clunktock



Its Always BEEN ABOUT PERFORMANCE before cost Effectivness

For some ,some value different ideals but regardless there's a few too many ifs in your statement yet nothing really relevant to the Op , just Intel sabre rattling.

 

[alucasa]

I don't like how Intel is reacting though. Intel is reacting as if nothing too significant is going on and doing their stuff as usual.

 

[dorsetknob]

Chuckle chuckle Barf chunks
Intel saber rattling snigger
IT WAS A PRO AMD/Neutral post did you not noticed i said

"IF" performance is Close to latest Intel Chips if may force Intel to make its Tick /Tock in to Tick/Clunktock

hardly jumping up and down on AMD

 

[Shou Miko]

Well "IF" performance is as good or better than Intel and there will be a good selection of ITX board with "PROPER" ethernet like Intel nics not Realtek or Killer nics it would be awesome and might get me to try AMD again ^^

 

[Disparia]

IDK, people get huffy when IGPs hang around... what will they think when these ARM immigrants show up hoping to live on your chip?

 

[silentbogo]

Now that's not suspicious at all....

What if this little Cortex A5 runs something like NetBSD and gives an undetectable backdoor to your computer to NSA and other interested parties?
... or what if hackers can exploit this chip to turn your PC into a sleeper zombie?

Betcha this is going to be in headlines at least for a few months after Zen release!
"Major vulnerability found in AMD secure platform", "AMD users may become victims of a hidden CPU inside a CPU!", "A major underground hacker organization created a botnet using AMD Secure Processors"

 

[R-T-B]

Now that's not suspicious at all....

What if this little Cortex A5 runs something like NetBSD and gives an undetectable backdoor to your computer to NSA and other interested parties?
... or what if hackers can exploit this chip to turn your PC into a sleeper zombie?

Betcha this is going to be in headlines at least for a few months after Zen release!
"Major vulnerability found in AMD secure platform", "AMD users may become victims of a hidden CPU inside a CPU!", "A major underground hacker organization created a botnet using AMD Secure Processors"

My first thought, actaully.

Fact: A security processor in no way "improves" security. Any general purpose cpu can do all that shit. At most it improves performance of security functions.

 

[Evo85]

Nice to see some new AMD tech. Hopefully the performance will not disappoint.

 

[silentbogo]

My first thought, actaully.

Fact: A security processor in no way "improves" security. Any general purpose cpu can do all that shit. At most it improves performance of security functions.

My first thought was a "maker" fad deja-vu: an x86 mini-PC with tacked-on AVR microcontroller! Only $99.99 for all of your high-tech LED blinking needs. Available in stores 2016!
...khm... LattePanda... khm...

 

[cdawall]

Now that's not suspicious at all....

What if this little Cortex A5 runs something like NetBSD and gives an undetectable backdoor to your computer to NSA and other interested parties?
... or what if hackers can exploit this chip to turn your PC into a sleeper zombie?

Betcha this is going to be in headlines at least for a few months after Zen release!
"Major vulnerability found in AMD secure platform", "AMD users may become victims of a hidden CPU inside a CPU!", "A major underground hacker organization created a botnet using AMD Secure Processors"

Intel has that already.

 

[silentbogo]

Intel has that already.

Yep. That's why I think it's inevitable )))
Gotta catch up with a rival, AMD!

 

[arbiter]

Of these features, are they of any use to most normal users or are they mostly something small amount of users need or would even use?

 

[cdawall]

Of these features, are they of any use to most normal users or are they mostly something small amount of users need or would even use?

Normal users didn't use the tech inside of bulldozer, this is going to be similar to that. I am personally more interested by the fact that they integrated an entire ARM CPU inside of their x86 CPU.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Okay, so IF the bad guy gets past my encrypted router, past my firewall, past Windows Defender and past MBAM and past me then he might get the data running through my CPU.

What happens if a bad guy breaks into my house, pats my ferocious guard dog who probably is already wagging his tail, and steals my computer?

 

[silentbogo]

Okay, so IF the bad guy gets past my encrypted router, past my firewall, past Windows Defender and past MBAM and past me then he might get the data running through my CPU.

What happens if a bad guy breaks into my house, pats my ferocious guard dog who probably is already wagging his tail, and steals my computer?

That A5 is already inside Zen, which means by analogy that the bad guy is already in your house, tasked with a job of safekeeping your keys, your ID, passport, and your wallet by you ))

 

[dorsetknob]

Maybe this is Relevant news from the past (May 6, 2014 19:56 GMT)
http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Could-Launch-Hybrid-x86-ARM-Processors-by-2018-440875.shtml
There may be patent Spats in the pipeline as well

AMD could have CPUs and APUs with four-8 x86 cores, and an extra ARM core to perform the same function as in the Tegra. And given the time it took to go from CPU to APU and, now, APU with ARM security, I’m thinking that AMD could pull this off by, say, 2017-2018. No later than 2019-2020 though, if it happens at all.


The company might have to go through some intellectual property spats before it can employ something like 4-PLUS-1 if NVIDIA patented the essential concepts, but it’s doable. More importantly, it would fit AMD’s new MO, to use both x86 and ARM technology.

 

[Bill_Bright]

We'll see if it pans out. I find it upsetting how many don't think about "physical security". Not just in terms of a bad guy stealing your hardware, but other things like backups. Too many times I have seen external drives used as their only backup sitting right next to the computer - ready to be stolen by the bad guy stealing the computer, or taken out by the same fire, flood, hurricane or tornado that takes out the computer.

If AMD's new security scheme works WITHOUT degrading performance in real world scenarios, then I'm all for it. But I don't see it putting much of a dent in Intel's bottom line.

 

[Easy Rhino]

haha! Hardware root of trust with NSA backdoor! No thanks.

 

[peche]

Zen will primarily be going up against Skylake and Kabylake based processors, both of which lack the aforementioned features. It is not until Cannonlake and Coffelake that any semblance of parity is expected to be present between the two platforms – and even then it won’t be complete.

grabbing some popcorn and sitting here to this happens.... nice... made my day with this...

Regards,

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

That A5 is already inside Zen, which means by analogy that the bad guy is already in your house, tasked with a job of safekeeping your keys, your ID, passport, and your wallet by you ))

Biscuits,, I think there's many an arm cored pocket rocket and millions more cores besides would argue against your assertion of backdoor bully, and all cases I've seen were coding derived vulnerabilities.
Amd have had trust zone enabled Apus and such a while now so it's not untested or unimproved tech either.