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Can't say I've ever noticed this one. And I tend to hop all over the damn place without even thinking about it...a hold over from old school FPS days.

Overall I agree, though.
I don't think they actually do the hand plant. But I know for sure it's an awkward jump that you noticeably move slow and high step of some sort. Will happen a lot going up hills (because it thinks you are trying to leap the hill I guess), and sometimes while going down hills.

Also the rock, paper, scissors mechanics with knifing I hadn't even gone into. You must be behind your target, or at shoulders side. Or you can sprint directly at them, jump, fly through the air, turn around in mid air, grab on and cinematic knife. Just some stupid mechanics, you can only cinematic knife if your character actually does an animation raising his hand in the air. Even if you know it should be a lock, it won't be unless that happens (this is if you have your knife out). If you don't have the knife out and it should be lock, but it isn't, you just swipe them and are stuck with the knife out and your pants down as they turn around and ask you what the hell you are doing before inserting the barrel into your unmentionables. (This cinematic topic fills me with rage)
 
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Thats the problem, knifing is an absolute horrible last ditch attempt in a CQ situation. Because last ditch effort means you are under heavy fire, and even if they do fix the registration, they will never remove that window of time that you can die as you reach towards you target, grab him, and start moving the knife towards them. Using the knife as a last ditch effort in BF3 just gets you killed. And fixing some buggy knifing will go a small ways, but not all the way. It's a crappy mechanic, and theres other ways they could imrpove upon knifing if they feel Rambo knifers are still a problem.

Which that brings up the other side of the argument. You can be killed as you are moving the knife towards your target. But the intenetion of the system is, after you have that knife in your target, you are now Superman himself. You are absolutely invincible. Damage stacks on you, but you will not die until you have finished killing that man. And so many times have I had to wait for a knife to end to even see if I stacked on enough damage. And I wait because theres been times I assumed they were dead, and I proceed on only to be shot or knifed by the target I thought was dead (but you can't kill Superman). And that most likely won't change either, they can't give you a super sweet cinematic knife if you can be killed at any point during it. It's overall a crappy system, and thats just for knifing, I'm going to continue my rant of cinematics to jumping now.

Explain how awesome it is when you are running down a slightly incline that you press jump and your solider plants his hand on an invisible wall and vaults over it? Or explain how awesome it is when you want to jump into a yellow garbage bin, but you can't you just sit there in pogo, after a few jumps you get irritated, keep slamming on jump, then just get shot in the back and die, because you were trying to leap into the damn thing for cover, but you can't trigger the damn cinematic.

I'm sorry, you can't convince me cinematics should stick around, especially with an arguement only based on rambo knifers. It's plenty possible to knife and play with teamwork, I did it all the time in BC2. It allowed me to get on flags and cap them without appearing on the minimap by firing my gun. And if people truly listened they could tell I was there, many times I would be walking around then hear a curdling gasp of a dying man being knifed, and then I knew someone was out for blood and was close.
Your points are valid.

However, in order for a game to move forward, it needs to take steps. Completely ignore what can be and will be is just standing still.

For me, the current animation's flaws are acceptable and don't really affect me and probably the majority of players since people are using guns more now then in bfbc2.

Gotta get in the uncanny valley before you get out
 
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Says to come back March 27 for a first look at a video.

 
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Your points are valid.

However, in order for a game to move forward, it needs to take steps. Completely ignore what can be and will be is just standing still.

For me, the current animation's flaws are acceptable and don't really affect me and probably the majority of players since people are using guns more now then in bfbc2.

Gotta get in the uncanny valley before you get out
Of course, there's always risky steps to be made. But sticking with them into the next game is what I'm concerned about. I wouldn't say more people are using guns now, that would mean they weren't using guns before. And to be honest, I see just as many knifers in BF3 as I did in BC2.

In BC2 the knife had a use, in BF3 it just doesn't. Broken locks, too long time to kill, even trying to use it as stealth risking a broken lock or that long kill time to get spotted, I almost always just fire my gun instead rather than risk using the stealthy weapon I should be using in CQ on a single target with their back to me.
 
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Of course, there's always risky steps to be made. But sticking with them into the next game is what I'm concerned about. I wouldn't say more people are using guns now, that would mean they weren't using guns before. And to be honest, I see just as many knifers in BF3 as I did in BC2.

In BC2 the knife had a use, in BF3 it just doesn't. Broken locks, too long time to kill, even trying to use it as stealth risking a broken lock or that long kill time to get spotted, I almost always just fire my gun instead rather than risk using the stealthy weapon I should be using in CQ on a single target with their back to me.
I agree. These days, I often come across enemies with their back facing me and instead of knifing the, I shoot them since the act of knifing takes too long and has the big chance of being shot in the process.I have also, experienced the strange occurrence of being knifed by the person I am in the process of knifing. Go back to BC2 knifing, more fun, less fuss. The cinematics are cool but are not needed.
 
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For me knifing in BF3 is bugged but its the best things they added in the game. The whole point is to make the victim suffer a longer death instead of regular "killed by".
The most omfg wtf moments are when your whole squad is on a silent knife rape.

PS.I'm at around 1300 melee kills but my friend is almost at 5000 lol.
 

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For me knifing in BF3 is bugged but its the best things they added in the game. The whole point is to make the victim suffer a longer death instead of regular "killed by".
The most omfg wtf moments are when your whole squad is on a silent knife rape.

PS.I'm at around 1300 melee kills but my friend is almost at 5000 lol.
The cinematics don't make me suffer, knowing they have my tags is what makes me suffer, and BC2 has the samething, just better stat tracking for it.
 

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Looks more like artwork to me.
I'd really like to see less hype on how good it looks.
fix current bugz and add destruction from BC2 and I'm happy.
 

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Teaser video!

 
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wow, that was pointless...



please, when ever have "leaked" pictures of a game every looked as good as the actual gameplay?
Why must you ruin it!? :banghead:

I don't care, its the fact that it can look like that. And leaked pictures, were never that far off for BF3 I don't think.
 

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Why must you ruin it!? :banghead:

I don't care, its the fact that it can look like that. And leaked pictures, were never that far off for BF3 I don't think.
I will be first in line to buy BF4 if the game looks that good. It won't though. It will look just like BF3.
 

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I will be first in line to buy BF4 if the game looks that good. It won't though. It will look just like BF3.
Its a next gen launch title, it will look better then BF3. Mark my words.
 

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wow, that was pointless...
I was wondering if anyone thought that was as great as I thought it was... Just think we have 6 more days of these crappy videos.. :banghead:
 

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Hmm a propeller? Return of sea combat? Nuclear subs perhaps?
 

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Hmm a propeller? Return of sea combat? Nuclear subs perhaps?
yes. the objective of BF4 is to get to the nuke as fast as possible. the problem is to actually make it explode you need to shell out for the "premium" pack :laugh:
 
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Jajajaja, is BF3.5

Buy all the expansion and finally get BF4 :p
 

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System Name The Battlestation
Processor Intel Core i7 4770k @ 4.2GHZ 1.275v
Motherboard MSi Z97 Gaming 5
Cooling EK Supremacy w/ EK Coolstream PE360
Memory G. Skill Trident X 16Gb (4x4GB) 2400mhz @ 1.65v
Video Card(s) MSi GTX1070 Gaming X 8GB @ 2GHz
Storage Samsung 830 128GB SSD, Crucial MX200 500GB, Seagate Barracuda 2TB (2x 1TB Partitions)
Display(s) Qnix QX2710 27" 2560 x 1440 PLS @ 100hz
Case Phantek Enthoo Evolv ATX TG
Audio Device(s) MSi Gaming AudioBoost ALC1150 w/ Sennheiser Game Ones
Power Supply Seasonic Flagship Prime Platinum 850
Mouse Steelseries Rival 310 w/ QCK Mass mat
Keyboard Corsair K70 w/ MX Browns and Red Backlit
Software Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit
Benchmark Scores Firestrike: 15439
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1Kurgan1

The Knife in your Back
Joined
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Location
Duluth, Minnesota
System Name My Comp | Fiancees Comp
Processor i7 5820k @ 4.6Ghz 1.285v| i5 2500k
Motherboard MSI x99 SLI Plus | AsRock Z77 Pro 3
Cooling Watercooled
Memory 16GB DDR4 2400 @ 2666 | 12GB DDR3 1600
Video Card(s) AMD R9 290x | MSI 5850 OC
Storage 128gb SSD + 2x 2TB | 2TB
Display(s) Asus 27" LCD | 25" Hanns G
Case CM Storm | CM Elite 430
Audio Device(s) Creative Recon 3D PCIe
Power Supply Enermax Galaxy 1250W | Rosewill 630w
Mouse Logitech G700s | Logitech G100s
Keyboard Logitech G901 | Logitech G105
Software Win 8.1 Ultimate x64 | Win 8.1 Ultimate x64
Benchmark Scores 3D Mark - Fire Strike Extreme - 4403