Before you buy RTX cards, you should view this video.

[cucker tarlson]

Maybe, till then the average consumer got what he wanted , a 1200$ card with their favorite sticker on it that will be on the top of the charts. As barren as those charts will be.

What else can you expect when AMD can't come close to nvidia's sales numbers even in the segment where they have a better card like 480/580 vs 1060. Those people are the real problem,not the enthusiasts buying rtx. Someone recently posted that 1060 outsold 480/580 by 13.5 to 1, don't know if that was true, but when I saw that I saw like hoooly crap...this should be 50/50, 40/60 at worst.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

What else can you expect when AMD can't come close to nvidia's sales numbers even in the segment where they have a better card like 480/580 vs 1060.

Your chart shows what relative to Rtx.

Nothing .

It shows how released cards work , read the Op.

Stop this fanboi anti Amd ranting and walk away if you cant stay on topic.

I am not joining your pissing contest, I'm still very happy gaming at 4k on my vega , and on a very old Amd 8core, who the f knew that had so much value @£159 so long ago.

 

[IceShroom]

I'm pretty certain that AMD is still going to come back with a challenge to Nvidia but probably be in 2020 .....then the nay sayers will be yay sayers......still it is fortune telling at this point.

And no one will buy it.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Your chart shows what relative to Rtx.

Nothing .

It shows how released cards work , read the Op.

Stop this fanboi anti Amd ranting and walk away if you cant stay on topic.

I am not joining your pissing contest, I'm still very happy gaming at 4k on my vega , and on a very old Amd 8core, who the f knew that had so much value @£159 so long ago.

It tells me he is right,nvidia can get away with any price tag they want to slap on their cards. If people don't buy a cheaper and better card from amd, then it's pretty self explanatory.
What charts ? I can hardly understand what you're getting at.

 

[Vya Domus]

and on a very old Amd 8core, who the f knew that had so much value @£159 so long ago.

Damn right, I paid peanuts for my 6300 and gamed for years.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

It tells me he is right,nvidia can get away with any price tag they want to slap on their cards. If people don't buy a cheaper and better card from amd, then it's pretty self explanatory.
What charts ? I can hardly understand what you're getting at.

The fps chart you linked , and you replied quite aptly before getting confused about what charts.

Not all of us bought into Nvidia recently, again step out of your perspective, Amd still sold plenty of GPU, of all the people i personally know gaming a good percentage game on Amd GPUs.

But what im getting at clearly is this.


Yet again this is not an Amd V Nvidia thread ,world , network or website.

It's a forum thread with the topic of.
" Dont buy Rtx before you see this video"

On that topic ,my opinion as stated before , is the video means nothing.
Read a few reviews before buying though imho.

 

[cucker tarlson]

The fps chart you linked , and you replied quite aptly before getting confused about what charts.

Not all of us bought into Nvidia recently, again step out of your perspective, Amd still sold plenty of GPU, of all the people i personally know gaming a good percentage game on Amd GPUs.

But what im getting at clearly is this.


Yet again this is not an Amd V Nvidia thread ,world , network or website.

It's a forum thread with the topic of.
" Dont buy Rtx before you see this video"

On that topic ,my opinion as stated before , is the video means nothing.
Read a few reviews before buying though imho.

Ok i get your earlier post now
Not an amd-nvidia thread ? It's all about nvidia being the evil choice and amd getting stifled by the millions that the green and blue team throw around, at least it's what the OP posting about.

 

[NTM2003]

Yea I definitely cancel my pre order and brought a Gucci wallet instead now using my GPU Money for a trip to la California for a weekned. It will be more fun.

 

[Vayra86]

Yea I definitely cancel my pre order and brought a Gucci wallet instead now using my GPU Money for a trip to la California for a weekned. It will be more fun.

That 1080 should do you fine for a year or two, just dial back to High and you're done

 

[NTM2003]

Yea I like my GPU I have now it's been a good brand

 

[cucker tarlson]

That 1080 should do you fine for a year or two, just dial back to High and you're done

At 4K he's at high settings already.

 

[NTM2003]

Yea I am high settings on all my games

 

[cucker tarlson]

That 1080 should do you fine for a year or two, just dial back to High and you're done

You're at 1080p 120hz so you have a different perspective, that 1080 probably still has some reserve. At 1440p I'm getting like 80-90 fps mostly, 60-70 in worst case, 120-130 in best case. I'd like to get 1080ti performance, I could really feel that 30%. I get best experience at 130 fps or more, I can feel when I drop to 100, though it's still absolutely fine. 60 vs 80 would be a huge uplift in the more demanding games too.I can see fps increase/decrease very clearly. I wanted to test myself so one day I ran watchdogs 2 and tried to guess the fps before looking at the counter, I was correct almost all the time with 1-2 fps margin of error at worst.

 

[Vayra86]

You're at 1080p 120hz so you have a different perspective, that 1080 probably still has some reserve. At 1440p I'm getting like 80-90 fps mostly, 60-70 in worst case, 120-130 in best case. I'd like to get 1080ti performance, I could really feel that 30%. I get best experience at 130 fps or more, I can feel when I drop to 100, though it's still absolutely fine. 60 vs 80 would be a huge uplift in the more demanding games too.I can see fps increase/decrease very clearly. I wanted to test myself so one day I ran watchdogs 2 and tried to guess the fps before looking at the counter, I was correct almost all the time with 1-2 fps margin of error at worst.

Yeah, resolution bumps kill performance across the board. 4K surely is pushing the 1080 hard.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Yeah, resolution bumps kill performance across the board. 4K surely is pushing the 1080 hard.

I thought about going back to 1080p, but once I got used to 24" 1440p image crispness there's just no way, it looks sharp as a razor. I'm wiling to pay a premium price and keep the dpi.

 

[NTM2003]

I get around 30-60 fps with mine at 4k on highest settings I really haven't played much on my PC in a while. I find it easier to play on my Xbox one x at 4k

 

[cucker tarlson]

I get around 30-60 fps with mine at 4k on highest settings I really haven't played much on my PC in a while. I find it easier to play on my Xbox one x at 4k

Controllers are better at lower fps, they're slow but smooth, mouse is fast and precise, it makes low fps feeling seem more pronounced.
1080 is a good card, I played witcher 3 at 5K high settings and it stayed in mid 40s.

 

[NTM2003]

I've been hooked on the elder scrolls online that really don't take much at high settings but it looks amazing at 4k on my PC. The only games I probably play will be Forza horizon 4 on PC and the new assassin's Creed game this fall

 

[notb]

This is way too much drama for a product that hasn't released yet. Let's review independent benchmarks and judge the Turing cards on their merits as well as exorbitant prices.

More drama than in Zen/Vega/Navi discussions?

With this product it's not just raw performance anymore. It can't be judged by fps in benchmarks.
RTRT changes they way games look (and maybe not just games?).
We haven't really had such a change since AA came along. Sure, fps will drop, but for many AA was worth it from the start.

As usual, hardcore PC gamers are mostly after resolution and high fps, so first RTX cards may not be a huge sales hit. But they give us a glimpse on this interesting tech, which might become a standard in few years.
Also, wouldn't RTRT be more interesting for console users? They already have 4K@60fps. Now it's time to work on visuals. I bet Nvidia could steal a bit of market with this.

It was a bad idea for ATI, not for AMD. AMD would have been undoubtedly long gone without a GPU division. I mean what would you liked more, 1 CPU and 2 GPU vendors or 2 for each ? In the grand scheme of things the industry became more balanced and sort itself out eventually.

That's a bold statement. CPU business is way more attractive than GPU. If AMD went down, someone would take over their x86 business.
ATI could have been bought by a company with better financial situation and bigger budget. We would have 2 strong GPU makers and surely 2 strong CPU makers as well.

As for the "grand scheme of things": before AMD decided to ruin itself, they had 40% of CPU market. ATI was doing fine when they had 30% of the market.
10 years of "AMD scheme of things" later the brand became almost unknown among majority of PC owners, their CPUs have marginal market share and GPUs are lagging behind in tech - lately benefiting from a crypto life support.

 

[hat]

We haven't really had such a change since AA came along. Sure, fps will drop, but for many AA was worth it from the start.

wat

AA is cool and all, but many view it as unnecessary these days with resolutions of 1920x1080 and above... anyways, besides AA, we have had many, many jumps in graphics quality that had nothing to do with ray tracing.

 

[cucker tarlson]

RTRT sounds amazing, but if it adopts well in 3-4 years I'm gonna say the adoption was quick. I'd wager at least one gen after turing when it becomes only as popular as gameworks is now, in other words runs decently good only for enthusiasts on full 104 chips or higher. If I happen to get 2070/2080 I'd prolly use it for ansel only. At least two gen after turing to run decently on xx70, at least two to see it run well on xx60.

 

[DRDNA]

And no one will buy it.

Yup just like no one would ever buy them new AMD CPU's but now so many are dying to get there hands on them....yup yup...i see what you mean.

 

[NTM2003]

After a while Nvidia will start sending emails saying upgrade your GPU like Evey 2 weeks

 

[notb]

AA is cool and all, but many view it as unnecessary these days with resolutions of 1920x1080 and above... anyways, besides AA, we have had many, many jumps in graphics quality that had nothing to do with ray tracing.

I simply wanted to give an example of a technology that came to solve an existing issue, but often even made games unplayable on weaker machines.
GPU evolution is not simply about fps and resolution. Some people here sound like if they really wanted to play Pacman at 2000fps instead of all this realism nonsense...

And also just a reminder: in the age of AR/VR, AI assistants and so on it's not just about gaming anymore.

I also don't understand why you mentioned AA becoming obsolete. Of course it does. And RT cores will become obsolete as well, when general GPU cores become powerful enough. But that's not relevant today. Today Nvidia is giving us purpose-built electronics that provide working RTRT - a technology that has been discussed for way over a decade, but really wasn't expected to arrive so early.

I'm not a fan of their proprietary tech, but I can't really expect them to come up with something (or buy something, like Ageia/PhysX) and then just give it away... but I also see proprietary tech like that as bad for the industry and gamers as a whole, because then it's not available to everyone, and it usually fizzles out.

I just don't understand what's your problem with proprietary software. Are you equally unhappy about proprietary hardware? ;-)

Many of us have even gone so far as to move to console gaming.

I got my first console last Wednesday (Xbox One S)! It's a very difficult switch, since really 90% of my gaming used to be about RTS and RPG - not what consoles are really good at. But I'm pretty sure it's the good decision in the long run.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Ok i get your earlier post now
Not an amd-nvidia thread ? It's all about nvidia being the evil choice and amd getting stifled by the millions that the green and blue team throw around, at least it's what the OP posting about.

So this is a chst about that?.

The Op is open to interpretation but my take on it is this.

Hay im a random guy with no proof to show to buy or not buy Rtx card's but here's a video saying bad things about Nvidia , should this stop me?

The answer , quite simply is no, the lack of review based evidence should possibly, but not this video.

Not sure deabating Amd v Nvidia really helps given Rtx is a new tech which will require mass adoption and much more non biased testing.