Chernobyl “waking up again”

[Susquehannock]

Just in time for the exclusion zone Atomik apple vodka that was recently seized by Ukrainian authorities.

 

[Hemmingstamp]

Watch that mini series man. Chernobyl. It also says a lot about our current information age, about uncovering truth amidst a sea of misleading information and about systems that work to remove truth altogether. I'll never forget it, anyway, and the whole thing is fantastic and horrible to watch all at the same time. Every time you get to realize 'this shit was actually real'. And the system that created it still exists, and might have just recently shown its best traits again with how it treated Navalny etc. And at the same time, we're also dealing with systems that constantly mislead and misdirect from truths.

History indeed does repeat.

Every lie we tell incurs a debt to the truth. Sooner or later, that debt is paid.

Apply this one to our current day and age, polarisation and the inability to say something about things because 'you're not supposed to' or 'its not so nice' or 'its difficult':

When the truth offends, we lie and lie until we can no longer remember it is even there, but it is still there.

I'll pass thanks. I watched it on the TV in 86 as events unfolded.

 

[metalfiber]

Don't forget about Fukushima...

Science | AAAS

www.sciencemag.org

 

[Wirko]

But also, not sure whose genius idea it was to build the Japan one in a fault zone... and in a country that historically has tsunamis often... like seriously, build it somewhere else... LOL human hubris ~

But also, not sure whose genius idea it was to build Japan in a fault zone... and on an island that historically has tsunamis often... like seriously, build it somewhere else...

And yet, they built Japan in Japan, they have had great success coping with many perils of nature, and this may have given them a little too much confidence.

 

[Space Lynx]

But also, not sure whose genius idea it was to build Japan in a fault zone... and on an island that historically has tsunamis often... like seriously, build it somewhere else...

And yet, they built Japan in Japan, they have had great success coping with many perils of nature, and this may have given them a little too much confidence.

the failure of logic in this rebuttal astounds me.

 

[the54thvoid]

the failure of logic in this rebuttal astounds me.

I sense an English translation issue with the post above yours. It is amusing in isolation though.

As for the Chernobyl issue, article itself says there's time to study the neutron build up. But yeah, it's mental to consider how it's still working away. Who'd have thought half-lives were so damn pesky?

 

[R-T-B]

Did the French ever finish the new Sarcophagus for the NPP?

Yes. It's all in the article.

I'll pass thanks. I watched it on the TV in 86 as events unfolded.

Then you only got half the story. Many things have come out since 86.

 

[Splinterdog]

"After a downpour in June 1990, a “stalker”—a scientist at Chernobyl who risks radiation exposure to venture into the damaged reactor hall—dashed in and sprayed gadolinium nitrate solution, which absorbs neutrons, on an FCM..."

Now I know.

 

[R-T-B]

"After a downpour in June 1990, a “stalker”—a scientist at Chernobyl who risks radiation exposure to venture into the damaged reactor hall—dashed in and sprayed gadolinium nitrate solution, which absorbs neutrons, on an FCM..."

Now I know.

The term "stalker" predates the game. Weird factoid that also shows how few read the article... lol.

Good job being the exception.

 

[MIRTAZAPINE]

Some years ago, I was living for a short time in Belgium, and was at a private woodyard, buying some materials to build a strong garage racking system. There was a fantastic story: a kindergarten had been renovated, and an expensive beautiful wooden floor and framing was installed. Before opening the kindergarten, the local city did a technical health inspection to make sure there were no naughty volatile compound paints or wood preservers that would be considered unhealthy for the children. They didnt find any problem with the finishing work. But, by "chance" or by "tipoff" they did a radiation test. The wood was loaded with radioactivity. It was more than 25 years after Chernobyl, and it must have been that some forests in Central/Eastern Europe had been opened up for harvesting, and this wood had made its way into the lumber supply chain.

Kindergarten was condemned and razed.

My view was different... the wood would be ideal... probably would never rot... last forever... lol. Just perhaps not to be used near children.

Interesting problem... tens of thousands of hectares of forests... should we use the wood for construction e.g. roofs, with sufficient distance to people? Barns with livestock? Chipboard for flatpack furniture? Send to china to make cardboard and paper which is then sent back in various formats so we can wipe our bums? Should we burn it in log fires and release into the atmosphere? It's a real problem... these forests are ready to harvest.

That is really interesting. I look up on Chernobyl for forest. There is problem about wood not rotting there due to the radiation. I am surprised as wood rot so easily in the open.

 

[ShiBDiB]

Towards the bottom of the article it's important to note that they point out that even if the room in question was to have “an uncontrolled release of nuclear energy.” it would be contained in the new shelter. While not ideal (it would slow down further dismantling) it's not a huge deal.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

These things make me feel old, it doesn't seem that long ago.

Then you must be a VERY busy person

 

[Steevo]

It’s not that dangerous, they continued to make power from the other reactors for quite a few years, there are people living in close proximity to it.
The dangerous part of the reactor was the pressure vessel that exploded distributing the nuclear material all over, the short lived high energy products that made it so dangerous at first are now well into half life lower energy products. Don’t breathe the dust, and wait another 50 years, maybe in 100 years it will be a tourist or scientific attraction, it kinda already is

 

[neatfeatguy]

"After a downpour in June 1990, a “stalker”—a scientist at Chernobyl who risks radiation exposure to venture into the damaged reactor hall—dashed in and sprayed gadolinium nitrate solution, which absorbs neutrons, on an FCM..."

Now I know.

As I read through and I see "stalker" - all I could think of was:

"Get out of here, Stalker."

 

[Caring1]

Then you must be a VERY busy person

More a case of having that memory clearly imprinted on my brain, just as 9/11 was as I was watching news at the time and saw it happen liven to air.

 

[R-T-B]

they continued to make power from the other reactors for quite a few years,

Despite the fact that RBMK reactors are a pretty bad design yes. They weren't neccesarily "safe" it was economic neccesity.

The design has thermal monitoring blindspots, besides the control rod flaws HBO covered which were mostly patched way after the tragedy.

Wikipedia is a great resource for why those reactors were dangerous, as was my former College Professor, the late Robert Smurr.

Few here know this, but the class I took (Russia And Eurasia: Empires and Enduring legacies) had me visit Ukraine. I could've visited Chernobyl but declined. Perhaps for the best Robert did this tour regularly, and eventually died of brain cancer after several fights in 2017.

RIP.

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As I read through and I see "stalker" - all I could think of was:

"Get out of here, Stalker."

You and me both, actually. It was all I could do to not shoot that asshole in the game at duty camp entrance.