core i7 vs phenom II

[CDdude55]

Man it just keeps going round. Ultimately, the PII is a great choice for anyone w/ a AM2 board or anyone wanting to stick w/ AMD. For anyone w/ a core 2 board it doesn't offer a very compelling reason to switch over. For those building new systems it is a great platform to consider in price/performance (depending on use, if benchies and encoding are of importance) so long as one doesn't need the best (i7). Yes it's competing w/ old tech and that's a tad disappointing, but hey at least it's competing.

Lots of people over-exaggerating it's flaws and it's successes. It is a c2d q9400/q9300 at the exact same price point essentially. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Darren]

I don't see a land slide and well they compaire the OC'd PII to a stock Q6600 why not OC the Q6600 to 3.6GHz and give it a run ? Seems a bit biased if you are going to run one over clocked then benchmark

Did you not read the review. Neither the Q6600 or Phenom 920 was overclocked, and the Phenom 920 won by a near landslide. Try again
http://techreport.com/articles.x/16147/1

First off I have yet to see a phenom II beating the i7 so you are not correct .

So you are saying that in this particular benchmark the Phenom II didn't beat out the i7?

I actually said "seen the Phenom II come close and even beat the i7 on particular benchmarks"

and here is the proof:



http://i.neoseeker.com/a/amd_phenom_ii/rmmemory_latency.png

Believe what you want I know the score ! Intel FTW !!!

You are the most mature person I've encountered

Yeah, and honestly it's starting to annoy me.

Indeed, Trickson is a fanboy, we have a discussion with him, he listens he agrees with parts, disagrees with other parts. Then later down the post he reverts back to his old ways and discredits stuff that we've already proven. For example we've already proven the Phenom build is cheaper, yet he reverts back to "Intel for FTW" as a counter argument.

That was sarcasm .

OMG, why do we let kids on TPU.

I feel like a babysitter

 

[erocker]

But wait!!! One is better than the other!

 

[trickson]

i already made a comment about [H]'s bullshit review.

toms recommends the phenom II and xbit has somehow managed to compare it to the Q8x00 series that it beat in about every test wile keeping up to the Q9400/9550 which oddly enough it is priced with...funny wonder why amd priced its chip like the one it performs with

Well ones man review is another mans Gospel . No matter how you look at things some one is bound to see it differently . I agree it is a great CPU for people that have the AM2+ mobo and AM3 mobo but from a stand point of this .
I want to build a new computer to replace my Q6600 I have a mobo ram and all the fixens to go 45nm Intel has a Q9550 that I can just pop right in for roughly $319.99 this is the cheaper way to go FOR ME .
Looking at AMD I will have to get .
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103472 $235.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131343 $179.99 ( don't even know how good this will be to OC ) .
So for me would the price of that $414.99 + Shipping be worth it to me ? And what kind of gain will I really see ? why not just spend the 319.99 + shipping and save the rest for say a video card ? See where I am coming from now ?

 

[cdawall]

Well ones man review is another mans Gospel . No matter how you look at things some one is bound to see it differently . I agree it is a great CPU for people that have the AM2+ mobo and AM3 mobo but from a stand point of this .
I want to build a new computer to replace my Q6600 I have a mobo ram and all the fixens to go 45nm Intel has a Q9550 that I can just pop right in for roughly $319.99 this is the cheaper way to go FOR ME .
Looking at AMD I will have to get .
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103472 $235.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131343 $179.99 ( don't even know how good this will be to OC ) .
So for me would the price of that $414.99 + Shipping be worth it to me ? And what kind of gain will I really see ? why not just spend the 319.99 + shipping and save the rest for say a video card ? See where I am coming from now ?

well for the $414+shipping you gained 3*16x pci-e slots (@8-8-8 or 16-16 all pci-e 2.0), the ability to use the unreleased phenom 2 9x5 series and a board that oc's way better than your current one.

 

[trickson]

The thing is how can you even know the one you get is going to be that killer over clocker ? I hate it when people say that and then some one switches over and they get nothing like what the person said they would . It is such a let down .
Again I think it is a great CPU for people that already have the AM2+ mobo and can upgrade but for some one that has the Intel mobo and setup and wants an up grade there is no point in changing over . JMHO .

 

[cdawall]

The thing is how can you even know the one you get is going to be that killer over clocker ? I hate it when people say that and then some one switches over and they get nothing like what the person said they would . It is such a let down .
Again I think it is a great CPU for people that already have the AM2+ mobo and can upgrade but for some one that has the Intel mobo and setup and wants an up grade there is no point in changing over . JMHO .

it is very rare to get one of those boards that doesn't oc well and even [h] managed to get there P2 up to 3.8ghz on the no were near as good MSI version of that mobo


and i have that mobo's big brother and its a kick ass mobo

 

[Darren]

AMD Build

Samsung 1TB Harddrive £73.56
Asus 4850 £118.06
ASUS M2N68 nForce 630a Socket AM2+ £51.20
Phenom 940 II x4 £237.03
Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 1066MHz £91.23

Total £571.08 inc vat

Intel Build

Samsung 1TB Harddrive £73.56
Asus 4850 £118.06
Gigabyte GA-EX58-DS4 iX58 Socket 1366 (cheapest mobo I can find) £197.02
Intel 940 £474.69 (cheapest i7 I could find)
Corsair 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1333MHz (cheapest DDR3 I can find) £102.26

Total £965.59 inc vat

The Phenom II build is 394.51 cheaper than the i7 build

All components from: Ebuyer.com
Edit:

We know Phenom II is cheaper, i still think Core i7 is more future proof.

Just re-iterating for the few people that still say the pricing variations between the PII and i7 as being small, also giving a UK perspective on builds.

 

[CDdude55]

We know Phenom II is cheaper, i still think Core i7 is more future proof.

I am waiting for AMD's answer to Core i7, then i may get that CPU.

 

[cdawall]

We know Phenom II is cheaper, i still think Core i7 is more future proof.

depends what mood intel is in with chipsets and sockets.

anyone remember socket 423?

 

[ShadowFold]

depends what mood intel is in with chipsets and sockets.

anyone remember socket 423?

Nope
And saying the i7 is futureproof is silly. People were saying when the Q6600 came out it would be better than the dual cores eventually when multi threaded games came out.. I still don't see any.

 

[cdawall]

we may have to rethink some things look at this

http://www.xtremesystems.org/Forums/showthread.php?t=213221

peeps on XS getting 3.5ghz easily on the 920

he got 3.6ghz on stock vcore

 

[CDdude55]

Nope
And saying the i7 is futureproof is silly. People were saying when the Q6600 came out it would be better than the dual cores eventually when multi threaded games came out.. I still don't see any.

Thats cuz no Mulit-threaded games are out(maybe Crysis), but they should come soon and Core i7 should take advantage of that.

 

[ShadowFold]

That's what people have been saying since the Q6600 came out.. And crysis is only single threaded. I think they made it dual threaded with warhead but I am not sure.

 

[farlex85]

Nope
And saying the i7 is futureproof is silly. People were saying when the Q6600 came out it would be better than the dual cores eventually when multi threaded games came out.. I still don't see any.

Essentially, one could almost always say the most powerful hardware available is the most future-proof, as it will allow for high performance longer than anything else. Thus, i7 would be the most future-proof per say. GTA IV is heavily multi-threaded.

 

[ShadowFold]

Essentially, one could almost always say the most powerful hardware available is the most future-proof, as it will allow for high performance longer than anything else. Thus, i7 would be the most future-proof per say. GTA IV is heavily multi-threaded.

No I think its just unoptimized

 

[CDdude55]

That's what people have been saying since the Q6600 came out.. And crysis is only single threaded. I think they made it dual threaded with warhead but I am not sure.

Warhead is, it even says on the back of the box.

 

[farlex85]

No I think its just unoptimized

Well one can't say that without seeing the code. The developers said it was highly multi-threaded, so I have to trust em until I see proof otherwise. You could be right though.

 

[cdawall]

3.9ghz anyone?

he is on air BTW

 

[trickson]

Well the new Phenom II is nice and all I just can't see myself switching over to it . I will just get the Q9550 and OC the heck out of it if I want more performance than I have now .
Great job AMD finally is getting things together I hope they keep up the good work .

 

[CDdude55]

3.9ghz anyone?

he is on air BTW

I bet its not on the stock Heatsink tho. Nice nice clock tho.

 

[cdawall]

Well the new Phenom II is nice and all I just can't see myself switching over to it . I will just get the Q9550 and OC the heck out of it if I want more performance than I have now .
Great job AMD finally is getting things together I hope they keep up the good work .

oha nd the guys on XS are showing a performance increase clock for clock on kentsfield and close to 1:1 with yorkie

 

[trickson]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=212762
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=206624

 

[KBD]

very nice bus overclock. what board is that, btw?

 

[PaulieG]

Just ran this one on my 945BE ES