CPU Cost - Intel vs. AMD

[p_o_s_pc]

I don't think any board supports 2.1V vcore since it's useless anyway unless u want to do a suicide run

idk my Biostar supports ~2v for Vcore so i am sure there are some higher-end boards that support it

 

[btarunr]

At its new price, the Q9550 is a better buy than a PII 940, taking the entire platform cost into account. LGA775 motherboards match those of AM2+, at every price point. With falling prices of P45/nForce 750i motherboards, Q9550 is a great buy. AMD has no processor to compete with Q9650, though at that price, you're better off with a $275 Core i7 920 + ~$200 Gigabyte/MSI X58 motherboard.

 

[eidairaman1]

well i thought with DDR2 the voltage was going to be lower anyway compared to DDR.

 

[p_o_s_pc]

well i thought with DDR2 the voltage was going to be lower anyway compared to DDR.

it is lower but some ram has to have 2.2v to run at stock speeds even. And you want higher voltage for overclocking. stock voltage for DDR2 is 1.8v

 

[eidairaman1]

so then youd have to loosen timings further which inturn negates performance, thats why i wish people were smart and would of just shrunk original DDR down to a 45nm process, probably overall faster and runs same volt as the DDR2. remember DDR and DDR2 at same 3200MB/s well the DDR2 required a higher transfer rate (MTS) to get the job done, thats how PC800 RDRAM was. I hope Board makers listen to the mod croud and allow up to the original DDR voltage of 2.5V.

 

[trickson]

At its new price, the Q9550 is a better buy than a PII 940, taking the entire platform cost into account. LGA775 motherboards match those of AM2+, at every price point. With falling prices of P45/nForce 750i motherboards, Q9550 is a great buy. AMD has no processor to compete with Q9650, though at that price, you're better off with a $275 Core i7 920 + ~$200 Gigabyte/MSI X58 motherboard.

Some how this makes sense to me .

 

[p_o_s_pc]

so then youd have to loosen timings further which inturn negates performance, thats why i wish people were smart and would of just shrunk original DDR down to a 45nm process, probably overall faster and runs same volt as the DDR2. remember DDR and DDR2 at same 3200MB/s well the DDR2 required a higher transfer rate (MTS) to get the job done, thats how PC800 RDRAM was. I hope Board makers listen to the mod croud and allow up to the original DDR voltage of 2.5V.

if i understand your post right... They do have boards that can allow DDR2 to run at 2.5v but it isn't needed and isn't safe for 24/7. My board allows 2.65v for the ram that is above the DDR voltage

 

[spearman914]

Some how this makes sense to me .

Cuz it does.

 

[trickson]

so then youd have to loosen timings further which inturn negates performance, thats why i wish people were smart and would of just shrunk original DDR down to a 45nm process, probably overall faster and runs same volt as the DDR2. remember DDR and DDR2 at same 3200MB/s well the DDR2 required a higher transfer rate (MTS) to get the job done, thats how PC800 RDRAM was. I hope Board makers listen to the mod croud and allow up to the original DDR voltage of 2.5V.

it is lower but some ram has to have 2.2v to run at stock speeds even. And you want higher voltage for overclocking. stock voltage for DDR2 is 1.8v

idk my Biostar supports ~2v for Vcore so i am sure there are some higher-end boards that support it

well i thought with DDR2 the voltage was going to be lower anyway compared to DDR.

if i understand your post right... They do have boards that can allow DDR2 to run at 2.5v but it isn't needed and isn't safe for 24/7. My board allows 2.65v for the ram that is above the DDR voltage

Maybe you should start a new thread or at least get back on topic .

 

[eidairaman1]

what ya say POSPC?

 

[greenhouse]

Thanks so much.

For now, considering my very shallow pockets, I'm going to go with a socket 775 motherboard and Intel CPU (prehaps about $100-150).

Later edit:
Beers for all.

 

[trickson]

Thanks so much.

For now, considering my very shallow pockets, I'm going to go with a socket 775 motherboard and Intel CPU (prehaps about $100-150).

Good luck let us know what you get . I did post up dome offerings for you I hope they help some .

 

[PaulieG]

At its new price, the Q9550 is a better buy than a PII 940, taking the entire platform cost into account. LGA775 motherboards match those of AM2+, at every price point. With falling prices of P45/nForce 750i motherboards, Q9550 is a great buy. AMD has no processor to compete with Q9650, though at that price, you're better off with a $275 Core i7 920 + ~$200 Gigabyte/MSI X58 motherboard.

I'd say it's about an equal buy. i7 should not really be included here. Considering you only have 1 motherboard available at $200, and DDR3 is 2-3x more expensive than DDR2 right now.

 

[phanbuey]

q6600 and a p35!!!...

 

[trickson]

I'd say it's about an equal buy. i7 should not really be included here. Considering you only have 1 motherboard available at $200, and DDR3 is 2-3x more expensive than DDR2 right now.

I am not sure I follow you there as well there are some really cheap buys on both ends .
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2010170147 1052129233&name=240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2010170147 1052108080&name=240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM

 

[PaulieG]

I am not sure I follow you there as well there are some really cheap buys on both ends .
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2010170147 1052129233&name=240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2010170147 1052108080&name=240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM

The speed vs. latencies on DDR3 1066 and 1333 make it a terrible buy. Let's see some DDR3 1600 4GB kits at $125 or less, then you have my attention.

 

[trickson]

The speed vs. latencies on DDR3 1066 and 1333 make it a terrible buy. Let's see some DDR3 1600 4GB kits at $125 or less, then you have my attention.

Yes I agree that it is not worth it at all not right now with the Intel Q9550 and Q9650's there is no need for an i7 DDR3 setup . Unless you are into benchmarking and being top of the class all the time .

 

[btarunr]

I'd say it's about an equal buy. i7 should not really be included here. Considering you only have 1 motherboard available at $200, and DDR3 is 2-3x more expensive than DDR2 right now.

Considering that you get 3 GB tri-channel kits for $78, they're not. You get 4 GB DDR2 kits for cheaper, but hey that's 192-bit DDR3 vs. 128-bit DDR2. Despite the latencies, DDR3 wins due to the memory bus width. Then again, my comment was for the Q9650. Rather than $334 + $160 for the the most cost-effective X38 motherboard + $52 for the cheapest DDR2-1066 kit running at 5-5-5-15; you could spend it on $275 on the i7 920 + $200 for Gigabyte EX58 UD3R or MSI X58 Platinum (non-SLI) + that $79 DDR3 3GB kit, and end up with much better performance.

 

[phanbuey]

green... what is your total budget?

 

[DaedalusHelios]

q6600 and a p35!!!...

I know right? I can find a used OEM Q6600 at $120 used on trade forums, and a solid P35 for about $50 that can OC the Q6600 to 3.4Ghz-3.6Ghz easily. Add 4GB of XMS2, OCZ Platinum, or G.Skill Pi and I do not think anything AMD can compete with that performance per $.

I am proud of my recent AMD build but I am not pretending its the best performance per dollar. Its fun to build computers with AMD, Intel, ATi, and Nvidia. I wouldn't hate on any company, because without competition we all lose out and then they could charge as much as they wanted on even more occasions.

Corporations charge what the market will bare. They don't care about the consumer as much as people like to pretend they do. Large corporations are in business to make money. AMD/ATi aren't on some holy crusade to save the poor computer builder, they are just trying to find their niche in a highly competitive market in economically difficult times.

Building computers is enjoyable so lets not think AMD or Intel offer any sort of moral higher ground, or superiority because that would be idiotic.

I believe we should look at what companies offer and buy parts not like we are pulling for a sports team. BTW the super bowl is gonna be crazy.

 

[eidairaman1]

ya its funny tho, intel had to swallow their pride to lower the price of their older CPUs because AMD didnt have an equivalent, but then AMD came up with the 940 and thus Intel had to drop their prices again to stay competitive, thats what competition does, keeps the consumer happy, no competition= no happy consumers, thus economy does get affected, cash flow is the name of the game, no money flowing means economy isnt working.

 

[btarunr]

ya its funny tho, intel had to swallow their pride to lower the price of their older CPUs because AMD didnt have an equivalent, but then AMD came up with the 940 and thus Intel had to drop their prices again to stay competitive, thats what competition does, keeps the consumer happy, no competition= no happy consumers, thus economy does get affected, cash flow is the name of the game, no money flowing means economy isnt working.

No, it's because they always had the option of selling Yorkfield chips under $300 post Core i7. That's the whole point in Intel's tick-tock production cycle: to make its best second best with the introduction of a newer faster chip, and to allow it to get competitive.The PII 940 always had an equivalent in its price range at launch ($270): Q9450, with similar platform costs.

 

[eidairaman1]

if i understand your post right... They do have boards that can allow DDR2 to run at 2.5v but it isn't needed and isn't safe for 24/7. My board allows 2.65v for the ram that is above the DDR voltage

actually DDR voltage can go up to 3.0V.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I know right? I can find a used OEM Q6600 at $120 used on trade forums, and a solid P35 for about $50 that can OC the Q6600 to 3.4Ghz-3.6Ghz easily. Add 4GB of XMS2, OCZ Platinum, or G.Skill Pi and I do not think anything AMD can compete with that performance per $.

I am proud of my recent AMD build but I am not pretending its the best performance per dollar. Its fun to build computers with AMD, Intel, ATi, and Nvidia. I wouldn't hate on any company, because without competition we all lose out and then they could charge as much as they wanted on even more occasions.

Corporations charge what the market will bare. They don't care about the consumer as much as people like to pretend they do. Large corporations are in business to make money. AMD/ATi aren't on some holy crusade to save the poor computer builder, they are just trying to find their niche in a highly competitive market in economically difficult times.

Building computers is enjoyable so lets not think AMD or Intel offer any sort of moral higher ground, or superiority because that would be idiotic.

I believe we should look at what companies offer and buy parts not like we are pulling for a sports team. BTW the super bowl is gonna be crazy.

No, NO stop it DaedalusHelios! You're making sense! We can't have that! Someone throw an infraction on this guy!

 

[eidairaman1]

well he made an analysis of the situation and instead of blatantly spewing negative he made an educated response, like the rest of us really need to do to be honest with you. Also any machine can suffer from slow downs if the software is full of crap, doesnt matter if you have a 1000 Dollar CPU or not.