Does my cpu support this ram?

[newtekie1]

Is the part I have issue with. That entire statement is entirely untrue. Send me any RAM you want, and I can show you on both AMD and Intel that it takes all of 5 seconds to set up and run at XMP/DOCP, as long as the IMC is capable of pushing said speed! From what I have seen, this applies to 4600MHz on down with my Intel testing and I haven't yet pushed past 4200MHz with AMD yet.

So you are telling me, that I can give you a system you are completely unfamiliar with, and in 5 seconds you can have the RAM set up running at XMP speeds and guarantee it will be 100% stable?

 

[sneekypeet]

So you are telling me, that I can give you a system you are completely unfamiliar with, and in 5 seconds you can have the RAM set up running at XMP speeds and guarantee it will be 100% stable?

Within reason, sure. The point is, if you buy the right parts to begin with, RAM matters less and less. If you want to buy the lowest binned CPU and a lower chipset motherboard, you are asking for just the basics, nothing more. In other words, expect SPD RAM values, anything else is a crap shoot. Now if you buy a decent to awesome CPU, chances are the IMC is a tad better. If you buy a high end motherboard, it isn't just RGB and extra USB you are getting. You get what you pay for, its that simple. There is not a rig in my house, once I moved away from clocking with X99 and X299 that I cannot do damn near anything I want with, from the jump. Not hours later, not days later. I set XMP/DOCP on every build I do before even installing the OS!

Look man, Im not trying to say I am better, or that I am just smarter. Reality is quite the opposite. If not for bad luck, I wouldn't have any! One of my test rigs just up and died last month, spawning yet another build. If you look at my specs and my signature, you can see what sort of gear I am using. Great motherboards and average CPUs. Shit just works. I am no magician, I do not have any tricks...I go at this just like you would. I have to think what I said earlier applies, as I can honestly run any ram I want, at least until I reach the top limit of the 3600 IMC, and as for the 10700K, I haven't had the pleasure of finding the max for that one yet.

In my mind, this is much like the days of DFI nF4 boards. Did all ram suck then, no, but it took special kits to work with the board. Many were like that then, and it appears that now memory is no longer a priority for many motherboards. The only other explanation would be that all RAM is shit, and we all know this isn't the case.

 

[newtekie1]

Within reason, sure. The point is, if you buy the right parts to begin with, RAM matters less and less. If you want to buy the lowest binned CPU and a lower chipset motherboard, you are asking for just the basics, nothing more. In other words, expect SPD RAM values, anything else is a crap shoot. Now if you buy a decent to awesome CPU, chances are the IMC is a tad better. If you buy a high end motherboard, it isn't just RGB and extra USB you are getting. You get what you pay for, its that simple. There is not a rig in my house, once I moved away from clocking with X99 and X299 that I cannot do damn near anything I want with, from the jump. Not hours later, not days later. I set XMP/DOCP on every build I do before even installing the OS!

Look man, Im not trying to say I am better, or that I am just smarter. Reality is quite the opposite. If not for bad luck, I wouldn't have any! One of my test rigs just up and died last month, spawning yet another build. If you look at my specs and my signature, you can see what sort of gear I am using. Great motherboards and average CPUs. Shit just works. I am no magician, I do not have any tricks...I go at this just like you would. I have to think what I said earlier applies, as I can honestly run any ram I want, at least until I reach the top limit of the 3600 IMC, and as for the 10700K, I haven't had the pleasure of finding the max for that one yet.

In my mind, this is much like the days of DFI nF4 boards. Did all ram suck then, no, but it took special kits to work with the board. Many were like that then, and it appears that now memory is no longer a priority for many motherboards. The only other explanation would be that all RAM is shit, and we all know this isn't the case.

We've both played with a lot of hardware. The difference is I haven't always had the luxury of buying top end stuff. I do now, for the most part, but I haven't always. And the builds I do for other people are usually very budget constrained and the motherboard is often the place that gets cut. Yeah, if you have good stuff, it is usually a quick and easy process. But there is far more mediocre hardware out there than good. Yeah, I dropped my 10850K/Z490 Taichi in my computer enabled XMP and it worked. But even that took me a day of running a stability test before I was comfortable enough to consider it stable. I've had plenty of other times when running at XMP didn't work right away, it wasn't 100% stable. So to just say it is a simple process is deceiving. You aren't considering all the people out there that don't have 3rd gen ryzen, that don't have the latest Intel platforms and the best motherboard. You aren't considering people like the OP. But there are far more people out there like OP than like us.

And that's my point. You had to qualify your answer to my question by saying "only if it's good hardware" but not every one has good hardware. I'm asking you, if you didn't get to pick the hardware, I just gave you a build with a budget motherboard from 2 generations ago, and a budget processor from 2 generations ago, if you could get the RAM running at 3200MHz+ XMP speeds and timings in 5 seconds and 100% guarantee that the system was completely stable? And I bet the answer is no.

 

[sneekypeet]

We've both played with a lot of hardware. The difference is I haven't always had the luxury of buying top end stuff. I do now, for the most part, but I haven't always. And the builds I do for other people are usually very budget constrained and the motherboard is often the place that gets cut. Yeah, if you have good stuff, it is usually a quick and easy process. But there is far more mediocre hardware out there than good. Yeah, I dropped my 10850K/Z490 Taichi in my computer enabled XMP and it worked. But even that took me a day of running a stability test before I was comfortable enough to consider it stable. I've had plenty of other times when running at XMP didn't work right away, it wasn't 100% stable. So to just say it is a simple process is deceiving. You aren't considering all the people out there that don't have 3rd gen ryzen, that don't have the latest Intel platforms and the best motherboard. You aren't considering people like the OP. But there are far more people out there like OP than like us.

And that's my point. You had to qualify your answer to my question by saying "only if it's good hardware" but not every one has good hardware. I'm asking you, if you didn't get to pick the hardware, I just gave you a build with a budget motherboard from 2 generations ago, and a budget processor from 2 generations ago, if you could get the RAM running at 3200MHz+ XMP speeds and timings in 5 seconds and 100% guarantee that the system was completely stable? And I bet the answer is no.

I would quantify it as, as long as it isn't crap hardware....lol

3200MHz was top of the line for the best boards and best chips of the era, as I said earlier, well documented as such.

 

[newtekie1]

I would quantify it as, as long as it isn't crap hardware....lol

3200MHz was top of the line for the best boards and best chips of the era, as I said earlier, well documented as such.

And that's 100% my point, the OP doesn't have the best board or best chip of the era. Yet people are telling them he can buy the 3200 kit and it will be as simple as enabling XMP and it will work right away. Then they are saying if XMP doesn't work, it'll take 5 seconds to just put the XMP settings in manually and it will work just fine. That is what I've had issue with from the beginning.

 

[Vya Domus]

I bet that even if you got the best boards and chips and kits some combinations would still give you problems. Your "point" doesn't provide any useful insight, you are grasping at straws, most users can get these kits running at their rated speeds without too much trouble otherwise no one would have bought these systems.

 

[newtekie1]

I bet that even if you got the best boards and chips and kits some combinations would still give you problems. Your "point" doesn't provide any useful insight, you are grasping at straws, most users can get these kits running at their rated speeds without too much trouble otherwise no one would have bought these systems.

What? People buy these kits all the time expecting them to just run at their rated speeds and make threads here because they don't. I'm done arguing this, good luck to OP.

 

[Vya Domus]

I'm done arguing this

Good, because your ideas had little to do with reality.

 

[bigbcool]

Good, because your ideas had little to do with reality.

3200 will still probably work but ima wait on a response from amd before i get 3200 if i dont get a response ima go with 2666

 

[Vya Domus]

3200 will still probably work but ima wait on a response from amd before i get 3200 if i dont get a response ima go with 2666

They'll probably tell you exactly what we did. That officially only 2666 is supported.

 

[MilkyMilky]

Question
I have the Taichi and 10850k, installed my GTX1070 and F4-4133 16GB g.skill RAM, but can't get the damn thing to boot or post.
I initially thought I needed both 8pin cpu power connectors, but that did even let the RGB glow on anything.
With one connected it makes the right sounds, but nothing comes on the display and the onboard led shows 00. I did note the fans on the GPU stutter, not spin.
Any thoughts?