Does my cpu support this ram?

[newtekie1]

Ram not working stably with xmp profile enabled, please help.

Everything is new 2 weeks old. So the problem is that when ever i enable xmp profile on these rams all of my games crash after around 2 hours with memory access violation. Sometimes its so bad that my whole system crashes with a static screen. Just before my system crashes i get the windows...

www.techpowerup.com

Hey, another thread about it not working. It's not like we don't see two or three of these each week...

 

[bigbcool]

Ram not working stably with xmp profile enabled, please help.

Everything is new 2 weeks old. So the problem is that when ever i enable xmp profile on these rams all of my games crash after around 2 hours with memory access violation. Sometimes its so bad that my whole system crashes with a static screen. Just before my system crashes i get the windows...

www.techpowerup.com

Hey, another thread about it not working. It's not like we don't see two or three of these each week...

I'm pretty sure thats not first gen and thats 1 person

 

[newtekie1]

I'm pretty sure thats not first gen and thats 1 person

That makes it worse. That person is struggling with a Zen 2 processor, which has much better memory support compared to 1st Gen Zen. Even after 3 generations, there are still problems with XMP at the higher clock speeds.

 

[Vya Domus]

You don't have to use XMP, you can just change the frequency manually and tweak the timings for like 5 minutes or most of the time you can just copy them from the XMP values.

 

[bigbcool]

That makes it worse. That person is struggling with a Zen 2 processor, which has much better memory support compared to 1st Gen Zen. Even after 3 generations, there are still problems with XMP at the higher clock speeds.

it might not even be the speed and just the ram sticks themselves

 

[newtekie1]

You don't have to use XMP, you can just change the frequency manually and tweak the timings for like 5 minutes.

Ok, go back, read my posts, and then try again. My entire point is that XMP doesn't usually just work. And tweaking doesn't take 5 minutes, it takes days. Typing the settings in takes minutes, stability testing takes days.

 

[bigbcool]

Ok, go back, read my posts, and then try again. My entire point is that XMP doesn't usually just work. And tweaking doesn't take 5 minutes, it takes days. Typing the settings in takes minutes, stability testing takes days.

bro last time i checked i cant even change my ram speed unless i enable xmp

 

[newtekie1]

bro last time i checked i cant even change my ram speed unless i enable xmp

You should always be able to change your RAM speed, unless your motherboard is trash.

 

[bigbcool]

You should always be able to change your RAM speed, unless your motherboard is trash.

my motherboard isn't trash but pretty sure it just had preset ram speeds

 

[newtekie1]

my motherboard isn't trash but pretty sure it just had preset ram speeds

If that's all it offers you and doesn't let you change timings and speed without enabling XMP, then it's trash.

Though on some motherboards, you can't adjust timings until you manually pick a speed. The timings option is grayed out until you manually set the speed of the RAM. If you leave the speed of the RAM set to auto, it uses auto for the timings too.

 

[bigbcool]

If that's all it offers you and doesn't let you change timings and speed without enabling XMP, then it's trash.

Though on some motherboards, you can't adjust timings until you manually pick a speed. The timings option is grayed out until you manually set the speed of the RAM. If you leave the speed of the RAM set to auto, it uses auto for the timings too.

1 its been a while sense I checked 2 its probably because it auto clocks everything to 2133 as last time i enabled XMP my ram went to 2400

 

[Vya Domus]

And tweaking doesn't take 5 minutes, it takes days.

No it doesn't, that's ridiculous. If XMP doesn't work, just manually input the primary timings and voltage from the XMP profile and 99% of the time it will work right away. You are describing this as if people with AM4 systems can barely get anything to work without major issues, I don't get it why you pretend like you've been living under a rock for the past few years, these things work quite well now with few unfortunate exceptions of pre-zen kits or old BIOSes.

my motherboard isn't trash but pretty sure it just had preset ram speeds

Never heard of an AM4 board without memory timings control.

 

[bigbcool]

No it doesn't, that's ridiculous. If XMP doesn't work, just manually input the primary timings and voltage from the XMP profile and 99% of the time it will work right away. You are describing this as if people with AM4 systems can barely get anything to work without major issues, I don't get it why you pretend like you've been living under a rock for the past few years, these things work quite well now.



Never heard of an AM4 board without memory timings control.

again it's been a while sense i have checked i might later today ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

again it's been a while sense i have checked i might later today ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If that's all it offers you and doesn't let you change timings and speed without enabling XMP, then it's trash.

Though on some motherboards, you can't adjust timings until you manually pick a speed. The timings option is grayed out until you manually set the speed of the RAM. If you leave the speed of the RAM set to auto, it uses auto for the timings too.

I literally sent a email asking amd this it might be true but 99% people here say it's fine, so the outvote says it should work im just asking amd as a safety precaution

 

[newtekie1]

I literally sent a email asking amd this it might be true but 99% people here say it's fine, so the outvote says it should work im just asking amd as a safety precaution

I guarantee AMD's official response, if you even get one, will be that your processor doesn't support anything beyond 2666. But, like I said, get the 3200MHz RAM, everyone including me agree on that. Just don't expect XMP to work out of the box, even Vya Domus has admitted that you're probably going to have to do some tweaking.

No it doesn't, that's ridiculous. If XMP doesn't work, just manually input the primary timings and voltage from the XMP profile and 99% of the time it will work right away. You are describing this as if people with AM4 systems can barely get anything to work without major issues, I don't get it why you pretend like you've been living under a rock for the past few years, these things work quite well now with few unfortunate exceptions of pre-zen kits or old BIOSes.

And you're acting like getting 3200MHz running on Zen 1 is as easy as a walk in the park, or as easy as enabling XMP. It just isn't. Even with all the BIOS updates, there's still the issue of the IF just not liking running that fast. Yes, the BIOS updates helped with that too, but it didn't make 3200MHz an easy feat for most Zen 1 users. It has nothing to do with AM4 as a platform, it's a Zen 1 issue. If he was running a 2nd Gen or 3rd Gen, I'd say 3200 XMP will work 99% of the time and if it doesn't just typing in the main XMP settings manually would almost certainly work. The BIOS updates to Zen 1 did bring memory improvements, but speeds beyond 2933 is still a struggle for most(and usually not worth the effort anyway).

But, if you are dealing with a system that is just barely not stable because of the RAM, it most definitely can take days to figure it out. This applies to Intel or AMD. Don't get butt hurt like I'm attacking AMD. This isn't an attack on AMD. The fact is RAM tweaking isn't just a 5 minute and done thing. Running stability tests can take days. Especially when the test has been running for 14 hours and decided to find an error and you have to start all over again.

 

[bigbcool]

I guarantee AMD's official response, if you even get one, will be that your processor doesn't support anything beyond 2666. But, like I said, get the 3200MHz RAM, everyone including me agree on that. Just don't expect XMP to work out of the box, even Vya Domus has admitted that you're probably going to have to do some tweaking.



And you're acting like getting 3200MHz running on Zen 1 is as easy as a walk in the park, or as easy as enabling XMP. It just isn't. Even with all the BIOS updates, there's still the issue of the IF just not liking running that fast. Yes, the BIOS updates helped with that too, but it didn't make 3200MHz an easy feat for most Zen 1 users. It has nothing to do with AM4 as a platform, it's a Zen 1 issue. If he was running a 2nd Gen or 3rd Gen, I'd say 3200 XMP will work 99% of the time and if it doesn't just typing in the main XMP settings manually would almost certainly work. The BIOS updates to Zen 1 did bring memory improvements, but speeds beyond 2933 is still a struggle for most(and usually not worth the effort anyway).

But, if you are dealing with a system that is just barely not stable because of the RAM, it most definitely can take days to figure it out. This applies to Intel or AMD. Don't get butt hurt like I'm attacking AMD. This isn't an attack on AMD. The fact is RAM tweaking isn't just a 5 minute and done thing. Running stability tests can take days. Especially when the test has been running for 14 hours and decided to find an error and you have to start all over again.

everybody else says it ezy

 

[Bones]

It's a combination of CPU, board AND sticks that either allows it to run fast or not.
3200 isn't an unreasonable speed to expect from a new board, sticks and CPU but there are limitations with each based on what it is.

If using an older Zen 1 chip that will tend to limit what you get regardless of board or even sticks used.
In your case the CPU from what I can see will be the weak link related to RAM speeds seen.

I know that because I'm running a Zen1 here myself (Ryzen 1200) with a X470 Tachi Ultimate and the RAM sticks used are G. Skill Flares, CL14 sticks.
it's speed is limited to 2666 reliably, any faster and "Things" start happening.

Next;
In the very same board with the same sticks used with the 1200, my 2700x when it's in is limited to about 3200 reliably.

Then;
I can then take that very 2700x CPU and RAM, pop into my other AM4 board (X570 MEG ACE) and it all just wakes up - To the tune of at least 3600 reliably, all with the RAM running at stock specs/timings. I've even had it at 3800 before, it was a tad wonky in the end but it did the deed.

It all acts like a chain and like any chain, any weak link(s) will determine what you get in the end.
It just all depends on how weak the link(s) is/are.

 

[bigbcool]

It's a combination of CPU, board AND sticks that either allows it to run fast or not.
3200 isn't an unreasonable speed to expect from a new board, sticks and CPU but there are limitations with each based on what it is.

If using an older Zen 1 chip that will tend to limit what you get regardless of board or even sticks used.
In your case the CPU from what I can see will be the weak link related to RAM speeds seen.

I know that because I'm running a Zen1 here myself (Ryzen 1200) with a X470 Tachi Ultimate and the RAM sticks used are G. Skill Flares, CL14 sticks.
it's speed is limited to 2666 reliably, any faster and "Things" start happening.

Next;
In the very same board with the same sticks used with the 1200, my 2700x when it's in is limited to about 3200 reliably.

Then;
I can then take that very 2700x CPU and RAM, pop into my other AM4 board (X570 MEG ACE) and it all just wakes up - To the tune of at least 3600 reliably, all with the RAM running at stock specs/timings. I've even had it at 3800 before, it was a tad wonky in the end but it did the deed.

It all acts like a chain and like any chain, any weak link(s) will determine what you get in the end.
It just all depends on how weak the link(s) is/are.

goodness ok can i get the finale response is 3200 gonna work with 1st gen?

 

[Bones]

Best honest answer - No.
It simply can't handle the faster speeds you want. Would take a Zen2 to reliably get 3200 from it.

 

[bigbcool]

Best honest answer - No.
It simply can't handle the faster speeds you want. Would take a Zen2 to reliably get 3200 from it.

fine for now intill amd responds i have 2666 on my list

fine for now intill amd responds i have 2666 on my list

and if amd says it doesn't support 3200 or never responds well ima get 2666

 

[sneekypeet]

Ok, go back, read my posts, and then try again. My entire point is that XMP doesn't usually just work. And tweaking doesn't take 5 minutes, it takes days. Typing the settings in takes minutes, stability testing takes days.

As a guy who tests ram a lot, this is simply not true. I have yet to see any RAM not work on my test system, and that is anything up to 4200MHz so far. I might give you that first gen Ryzen had issues, but I feel that with the right motherboard, RAM is no issue at all. Granted, I do tend to use high end boards, as I do not believe in running mediocre product and expecting stupendous results. Even the TPU dreaded Corsair LPX have never given me an issue to date!

 

[Bones]

fine for now intill amd responds i have 2666 on my list


and if amd says it doesn't support 3200 or never responds well ima get 2666

Best bet would be to get a set of 2666 sticks of the lowest/tightest timings you can find and go with it.
I also suggest G. Skill if possible, they are a good brand and I've never really heard of any compatability issues with them. Corsair on the other hand for some reason seems to have issues, I've seen posts from many about such and it always seems they say "Corsair" when asked what sticks they have.

 

[newtekie1]

As a guy who tests ram a lot, this is simply not true. I have yet to see any RAM not work on my test system, and that is anything up to 4200MHz so far. I might give you that first gen Ryzen had issues, but I feel that with the right motherboard, RAM is no issue at all. Granted, I do tend to use high end boards, as I do not believe in running mediocre product and expecting stupendous results. Even the TPU dreaded Corsair LPX have never given me an issue to date!

I highly doubt you put 4200MHz sticks in a Ryzen Gen 1 system, enabled XMP, and it just worked. Remember, the OP has Ryzen Gen 1(and a mediocre B350 board), my comments are in contexts of Ryzen Gen 1, I've made that clear in several of my posts.

 

[sneekypeet]

I highly doubt you put 4200MHz sticks in a Ryzen Gen 1 system, enabled XMP, and it just worked. Remember, the OP has Ryzen Gen 1(and a mediocre B350 board), my comments are in contexts of Ryzen Gen 1, I've made that clear in several of my posts.

So did I but your comprehension seems to fail. My point is stop blaming the RAM in these situations, and blame the motherboard, which is where the blame belongs. Whether its a trace issue or crap BIOS implementation, it is highly unlikely that all of these issues stem from all manufacturers just deciding to ship shit ram around the globe!

 

[newtekie1]

So did I but your comprehension seems to fail. My point is stop blaming the RAM in these situations, and blame the motherboard, which is where the blame belongs. Whether its a trace issue or crap BIOS implementation, it is highly unlikely that all of these issues stem from all manufacturers just deciding to ship shit ram around the globe!

I'm not blaming the RAM. I'm blaming people that think you can just pop RAM in and enable XMP with 3200MHz+ RAM on a Ryzen 1 system and it'll just work.

The fact is, on a Ryzen 1 system(because I seem to have to keep specifying this) 3200MHz+ is not likely going to just work by enabling XMP.

 

[sneekypeet]

I'm not blaming the RAM. I'm blaming people that think you can just pop RAM in and enable XMP with 3200MHz+ RAM on a Ryzen 1 system and it'll just work.

TBH, by now it should. I cannot argue that in many cases it may shit itself along the way, but again, to me that is a limitation of the system. Well documented too.

I guess I should have been more specific....

But, if you are dealing with a system that is just barely not stable because of the RAM, it most definitely can take days to figure it out. This applies to Intel or AMD. Don't get butt hurt like I'm attacking AMD. This isn't an attack on AMD. The fact is RAM tweaking isn't just a 5 minute and done thing. Running stability tests can take days. Especially when the test has been running for 14 hours and decided to find an error and you have to start all over again.

Is the part I have issue with. That entire statement is entirely untrue. Send me any RAM you want, and I can show you on both AMD and Intel that it takes all of 5 seconds to set up and run at XMP/DOCP, as long as the IMC is capable of pushing said speed! From what I have seen, this applies to 4600MHz on down with my Intel testing and I haven't yet pushed past 4200MHz with AMD yet.