EA & Bungie banning Linux Gamers in Battlefield V & Destiny 2

Deleted member 158293 · Jan 4, 2020

Just a heads up to Linux gamers, EA & Bungie are permanently banning accounts of Gamers playing through Wine. No fix so far, and seemingly none planned.

Game carefully:

https://itsfoss.com/ea-banning-linux-gamers/

Darmok N Jalad · Jan 4, 2020

I knew they were doing so on Destiny 2. I’m not sure if they are just paranoid about anti-cheat or what, but Bungie ain’t messin around.

R-T-B · Jan 4, 2020

It's because wine uses nonstandard DirectX libraries. Anticheat doesn't and can't understand this.

candle_86 · Jan 8, 2020

Well that's what they should be doing, it's not a supported platform

GoldenX · Jan 8, 2020

They could just integrate proton and make it work on Linux, that's what was working until now. But no, that's too hard, just kick them out.

candle_86 · Jan 8, 2020

GoldenX said:
They could just integrate proton and make it work on Linux, that's what was working until now. But no, that's too hard, just kick them out.

Yes let's waste resources on .05% of the playerbase

lexluthermiester · Jan 8, 2020

candle_86 said:
Well that's what they should be doing, it's not a supported platform

Your opinion. Kinda flawed really. Banning paying players for nothing more than the choice of OS? Little more than a narrowminded punk move.

The article is correct. The publisher needs to properly address the issue and reverse the bans.

eidairaman1 · Jan 8, 2020

candle_86 said:
Yes let's waste resources on .05% of the playerbase

Ya know perhaps people dislike W10, what are they to do?

lexluthermiester said:
Your opinion. Kinda flawed really. Banning paying players for nothing more than the choice of OS? Little more than a narrowminded punk move.

The article is correct. The publisher need to properly address the issue and reverse the bans.

I see them boycotted and antitrust suit coming, no one should be forced to use 10

GoldenX · Jan 8, 2020

candle_86 said:
Yes let's waste resources on .05% of the playerbase

With that mentality, the gaming platforms will never improve.

There's not even any money to waste on, other people already made the work.

candle_86 · Jan 8, 2020

GoldenX said:
With that mentality, the gaming platforms will never improve.

There's not even any money to waste on, other people already made the work.

Except the anti cheat systems are not tested nor any possible bugs from a poor emulation of directX. The publishers don't support the platform and it is their choice, honestly the Linux community on x86 is so small they wouldn't see a return on investment supporting Linux. It's a smart business move.

eidairaman1 said:
Ya know perhaps people dislike W10, what are they to do?

I see them boycotted and antitrust suit coming, no one should be forced to use 10

You arnt forced, you read the system requirements and the Eula. No one held a gun to anyone's head and said you must buy windows 10 and play our game.

eidairaman1 · Jan 8, 2020

candle_86 said:
Except the anti cheat systems are not tested nor any possible bugs from a poor emulation of directX. The publishers don't support the platform and it is their choice, honestly the Linux community on x86 is so small they wouldn't see a return on investment supporting Linux. It's a smart business move.

You arnt forced, you read the system requirements and the Eula. No one held a gun to anyone's head and said you must buy windows 10 and play our game.

However it is growing.

candle_86 · Jan 8, 2020

GoldenX said:
With that mentality, the gaming platforms will never improve.

There's not even any money to waste on, other people already made the work.

There is, they have to test it for any bugs and convert the game engine to Vulcan or opengl, that takes time and money. It's the same reason alot of games don't get mad releases.

eidairaman1 said:
However it is growing.

Not by a statistically significant margin. Less people use Linux than use windows 98.

lexluthermiester · Jan 8, 2020

candle_86 said:
Not by a statistically significant margin. Less people use Linux than use windows 98.

Citation needed. That's a very bold claim indeed. Please provide evidence to support that claim.

king of swag187 · Jan 8, 2020

Thank god

dorsetknob · Jan 8, 2020

candle_86 said:
Not by a statistically significant margin. Less people use Linux than use windows 98.

Hey don't malign win 98 (i have only just upgraded to ME)

R-T-B · Jan 8, 2020

candle_86 said:
Yes let's waste resources on .05% of the playerbase

Proton is a supported valve product, so I'm going out on a limb and betting it's far more than .05%.

Seriously, signing the wine dlls and having anticheat know about this is the only sensible answer.

candle_86 said:
Except the anti cheat systems are not tested nor any possible bugs from a poor emulation of directX.

That's not the issue at all. The issue is cheats are possible via nonsigned directx libraries.

candle_86 said:
Not by a statistically significant margin. Less people use Linux than use windows 98.

Ok, someones factbook is stuck in the 90s...

remixedcat · Jan 8, 2020

My hubby games with linux mint xfce. Most work fine.. already boycott ea so this is easy.

And most of this anti cheat shit has malware and phones home to china... one was sending too much personal info to dodgy ppl. Keylogger

R-T-B · Jan 8, 2020

remixedcat said:
And most of this anti cheat shit has malware and phones home to china... one was sending too much personal info to dodgy ppl. Keylogger

I won't dispute dodgy ones exist but there are also valid ones and my point above was any anticheat that is worth it's salt must check it's platform for integrity.

GoldenX · Jan 8, 2020

candle_86 said:
There is, they have to test it for any bugs and convert the game engine to Vulcan or opengl, that takes time and money. It's the same reason alot of games don't get mad releases.

Please read how wine and dxvk work.

Vya Domus · Jan 8, 2020

GoldenX said:
With that mentality, the gaming platforms will never improve.

I am not exactly sure games running on Linux are somehow improved versus the ones on Windows.

Readlight · Jan 8, 2020

Evil American corporation.

DeathtoGnomes · Jan 8, 2020

king of swag187 said:
Thank god

You're Welcome.

Readlight said:
Evil American corporation.

Evil European Corporation.

londiste · Jan 8, 2020

R-T-B said:
Seriously, signing the wine dlls and having anticheat know about this is the only sensible answer.
That's not the issue at all. The issue is cheats are possible via nonsigned directx libraries.

This. Anticheat needs a controlled environment to be effective. Unknown libraries are not controlled and known, making cheats possible.

It is not about Linux or EA/Bungie being evil, it is all about anti-cheat which is a very-very important part of online games these days. There has been a lot of criticism towards both and specifically around Battlefield V and Destiny 2 about anti-cheat not being good enough.

The libraries WINE/Proton use, are these a fixed set? The argument against supporting Linux (or more precisely, support for specific versions of WINE/Proton) in the anti-cheat solutions has merit as it is a lot of work - probably even more work than supporting Windows - for a small and fragmented (in terms of OS and environment) playerbase.

candle_86 · Jan 8, 2020

londiste said:
This. Anticheat needs a controlled environment to be effective. Unknown libraries are not controlled and known, making cheats possible.

It is not about Linux or EA/Bungie being evil, it is all about anti-cheat which is a very-very important part of online games these days. There has been a lot of criticism towards both and specifically around Battlefield V and Destiny 2 about anti-cheat not being good enough.

The libraries WINE/Proton use, are these a fixed set? The argument against supporting Linux (or more precisely, support for specific versions of WINE/Proton) in the anti-cheat solutions has merit as it is a lot of work - probably even more work than supporting Windows - for a small and fragmented (in terms of OS and environment) playerbase.

The Linux cult thinks it's a few minutes work

dirtyferret · Jan 8, 2020

lexluthermiester said:
Your opinion. Kinda flawed really. Banning paying players for nothing more than the choice of OS? Little more than a narrowminded punk move.

The article is correct. The publisher needs to properly address the issue and reverse the bans.

Out of curiosity did EA and/or Bungie come out with a clear statement at launch of either supporting Linux or not?

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