FPS drops in game with OK hardware

[ixi]

You should buy kit of 2... But you can try your luck with two single kit rams... fastest ram will adopt to slowest one.


I doubt it is ram problem, but who knows... especially in LoL which requiress little power to run.

 

[GhostRyder]

Okay thank you for your advice. Then I will get myself another stick. Probably I need to mirror my current stick to not mess things up right, so another 16gb 3200mhz?

You could do that, or you could buy a faster 2x8GB DDR4-3600 kit and sell your single stick or save it for another system or something.

Yea you would need to match or just buy a 2x8gb set at like 3600 kit like @milewski1015 suggested.

 

[floky99]

You could do that, or you could buy a faster 2x8GB DDR4-3600 kit and sell your single stick or save it for another system or something.

I guess that makes more sense since 32gb is a little bit of an overkill isn't it. I don't think I will ever be able to take full advantage of it.

Yea you would need to match or just buy a 2x8gb set at like 3600 kit like @milewski1015 suggested.

So 2x8 makes more sense than buying another 16 right?

You should buy kit of 2... But you can try your luck with two single kit rams... fastest ram will adopt to slowest one.


I doubt it is ram problem, but who knows... especially in LoL which requiress little power to run.

Do you have any other suggestions?

 

[GhostRyder]

I guess that makes more sense since 32gb is a little bit of an overkill isn't it. I don't think I will ever be able to take full advantage of it.


So 2x8 makes more sense than buying another 16 right?


Do you have any other suggestions

In my opinion, for a rig like that I think so as it would squeeze the most performance out of the system.

 

[Ruyki]

GTX 1660 Super should be able to achieve high FPS in LoL. That game runs fine on a GTX 460.

 

[ixi]

I guess that makes more sense since 32gb is a little bit of an overkill isn't it. I don't think I will ever be able to take full advantage of it.


So 2x8 makes more sense than buying another 16 right?


Do you have any other suggestions?

Remotelly it is hard to tell... I can't see what is happening on pc . As ,Ryuki said it is running smoothly on gtx 460 and one of my friends still play it on with i3-2100t and gtx 460, the game runs smoothly without hichups...

I would like to get hold on that pc and see with my own eyes, but it is impossible... I would say there is some kind of throttling cpu or gpu... but if you say that temperature are low, I'm lost

Fresh insall with only game and drivers maybe...?

 

[Chrispy_]

Some reasonable suggestions in this thread but LOL was capable of staying above 100fps on highest settings even with integrated graphics last time I saw someone playing it. I think it was an i5-8250U and even if it was dual-channel RAM it would likely have been OEM junk 2133MHz so not actually much faster than a single stick of DDR4-3200

My guess is that there's network crap causing the slowdowns or some background software utility - could even be an audio driver as I've seen that cause stutter on machines before.

@floky99 - Install MSI afterburner and configure it to show some stats whilst gaming. You should be able to see your CPU/GPU speed and usage and if neither of them are at 100% when your framerates drop low, then you know you can rule out CPU and graphics.

 

[Ruru]

GTX 1660 Super should be able to achieve high FPS in LoL. That game runs fine on a GTX 460.

Agree, I had a GTX 980 Ti not that long ago and it's not that much faster than a 1660 Super/Ti yet still I played many new games with med/high settings on 1080p without hiccups. And shouldn't LoL run on a potato anyways?

 

[floky99]

GTX 1660 Super should be able to achieve high FPS in LoL. That game runs fine on a GTX 460.

Yes this is exactly my point, that is why i'm reaching out to you guys =)

Remotelly it is hard to tell... I can't see what is happening on pc . As ,Ryuki said it is running smoothly on gtx 460 and one of my friends still play it on with i3-2100t and gtx 460, the game runs smoothly without hichups...

I would like to get hold on that pc and see with my own eyes, but it is impossible... I would say there is some kind of throttling cpu or gpu... but if you say that temperature are low, I'm lost

Fresh insall with only game and drivers maybe...?

I have tried that and it does not change anything also my new disc is empty in magority

Some reasonable suggestions in this thread but LOL was capable of staying above 100fps on highest settings even with integrated graphics last time I saw someone playing it. I think it was an i5-8250U and even if it was dual-channel RAM it would likely have been OEM junk 2133MHz so not actually much faster than a single stick of DDR4-3200

My guess is that there's network crap causing the slowdowns or some background software utility - could even be an audio driver as I've seen that cause stutter on machines before.

@floky99 - Install MSI afterburner and configure it to show some stats whilst gaming. You should be able to see your CPU/GPU speed and usage and if neither of them are at 100% when your framerates drop low, then you know you can rule out CPU and graphics.

Thank you for your answer. I have already excluded CPU and GPU since I've done that exact procedure but with some other software and they were not anything close to 100% usage and dangerous temperatures. Also network is excluded since we have optic fibre with 200/100 speeds and a new router...
I dunno about audio drivers can I check anything about that?

Agree, I had a GTX 980 Ti not that long ago and it's not that much faster than a 1660 Super/Ti yet still I played many new games with med/high settings on 1080p without hiccups. And shouldn't LoL run on a potato anyways?

Yes exactly my point that is why I'm asking for help

 

[Frick]

I have tried to play the game after fresh install of windows but its the same as with some ingame overlays the issue starts when there is action happening.

Did you do a fresh reinstall of the game as well?

Also, how does other games behave?

 

[floky99]

Did you do a fresh reinstall of the game as well?

Also, how does other games behave?

Yes complete fresh installation of system and everything on the disc after I got my new M.2 disc;
I don't really play anything else but when I try csgo I guess it performs ok

 

[Frick]

Yes complete fresh installation of system and everything on the disc after I got my new M.2 disc;
I don't really play anything else but when I try csgo I guess it performs ok

Try something else.

Also, does the drops occur after a time or is it clear it happens when there is a lot going on?

And btw, have you checked the power savings plans thing? Dunno if anyone has asked that.

 

[floky99]

Try something else.

Also, does the drops occur after a time or is it clear it happens when there is a lot going on?

And btw, have you checked the power savings plans thing? Dunno if anyone has asked that.

The drops happen exactly when there is action going on and not before not after only when there is action.

My power settings are set to High performance with hard disc having "Turn hard dics off" to never

 

[Ruru]

Have you installed the AMD chipset drivers?

 

[floky99]

Have you installed the AMD chipset drivers?

No I don't think I did.
Will try to do that ty.

 

[Chrispy_]

Even if they don't help your LOL issue, rotating the CPU cooler so that it doesn't heat up the back of the GPU is a good idea. Dual-channel RAM is also a good idea.

You say you've reinstalled the system, I assume that means a fresh install of Windows 10? I would uninstall any third-party utilities/drivers and revert to the WHQL drivers that get pushed to your PC via windows update, the two exceptions being the AMD chipset driver and the latest Nvidia graphics driver. You can always reinstall any utilities/OEM drivers you want to after testing.

If the slowdowns still happen then, the next thing is a sanity check to make sure that performance is good at lower detail settings. I don't play LOL but it's possible they've added stuff in a patch that makes it slowdown on max details now. If you're still getting poor framerates at lower settings then perhaps it's nothing to do with your PC but a game-engine bug recently introduced by the developer. Possible worth starting a thread in the official LOL forums to see if anyone else has encountered what you're seeing.

 

[floky99]

Even if they don't help your LOL issue, rotating the CPU cooler so that it doesn't heat up the back of the GPU is a good idea. Dual-channel RAM is also a good idea.

You say you've reinstalled the system, I assume that means a fresh install of Windows 10? I would uninstall any third-party utilities/drivers and revert to the WHQL drivers that get pushed to your PC via windows update, the two exceptions being the AMD chipset driver and the latest Nvidia graphics driver. You can always reinstall any utilities/OEM drivers you want to after testing.

If the slowdowns still happen then, the next thing is a sanity check to make sure that performance is good at lower detail settings. I don't play LOL but it's possible they've added stuff in a patch that makes it slowdown on max details now. If you're still getting poor framerates at lower settings then perhaps it's nothing to do with your PC but a game-engine bug recently introduced by the developer. Possible worth starting a thread in the official LOL forums to see if anyone else has encountered what you're seeing.

Ty for answer, I have read somewhere on Quora I think that having you fan on top of your cooler and blowing the air from the case out of it its better than the other way around. Is that wrong statement?

Yes fresh Windows 10 install without any other software than GeForce experience and it did not change anything I have not tried with AMD driver yet tho...

I don't think that is the case about the patch because it's been like that ever since I tried to play on 144hz...

 

[Chrispy_]

Ty for answer, I have read somewhere on Quora I think that having you fan on top of your cooler and blowing the air from the case out of it its better than the other way around. Is that wrong statement?

Yes fresh Windows 10 install without any other software than GeForce experience and it did not change anything I have not tried with AMD driver yet tho...

I don't think that is the case about the patch because it's been like that ever since I tried to play on 144hz...

Most PC cases have cool air coming in from the front and hot air exhausting at the back and/or top, so you want to orient your CPU cooler such that the hot air being exhausted is pointing directly at an exhaust fan at the back or top of your case.

If you CPU temperatures say 75C, that means the CPU has equalised with the temperature of the exhaust air, and so the exhaust air will be hot, somewhere near the same temperature as your CPU temperature reading. You absolutely do not want your CPU exhaust air to be heating up your graphics card! Ideally, the case fans at the front of your case are blowing fresh, cool air over the top and bottom of your graphics card.

Even if you ignore the heating effect of the CPU exhaust on the graphics card, having the fan pointed downwards like that is fighting against the front-to-back, or front-to-top airflow direction. Oriented like that, it is actively fighting all the other fans in your case, making the CPU fan less effective, and the case fans less effective. The difference in CPU and case temperature may not be very big, but there is absolutely a right way and a wrong way to do things and the wrong way is consistently worse for temperatures and noise levels.

This is the right way to do it. The wrong way will also work, but it'll just be hotter/noisier:

 

[floky99]

Most PC cases have cool air coming in from the front and hot air exhausting at the back and/or top, so you want to orient your CPU cooler such that the hot air being exhausted is pointing directly at an exhaust fan at the back or top of your case.

If you CPU temperatures say 75C, that means the CPU has equalised with the temperature of the exhaust air, and so the exhaust air will be hot, somewhere near the same temperature as your CPU temperature reading. You absolutely do not want your CPU exhaust air to be heating up your graphics card! Ideally, the case fans at the front of your case are blowing fresh, cool air over the top and bottom of your graphics card.

Even if you ignore the heating effect of the CPU exhaust on the graphics card, having the fan pointed downwards like that is fighting against the front-to-back, or front-to-top airflow direction. Oriented like that, it is actively fighting all the other fans in your case, making the CPU fan less effective, and the case fans less effective. The difference in CPU and case temperature may not be very big, but there is absolutely a right way and a wrong way to do things and the wrong way is consistently worse for temperatures and noise levels.

So if I understand you correctly I need to put my fan that is on top of the cooler to the bottom; meaning that it will suck air from the bottom and blowing it to the top?

I have one vent intake at the bottom of my case and at the back there is another one blowing out of the case near the motherboard connectors (standard position fan) and the third one is the one that is (at the moment) on the top of the CPU tower cooler sucking air from bottom blowing it out on top;I need to replace that third one on the cpu to be at the bottom of cooler blowing through tower to the top?

 

[xtreemchaos]

ive been having something the same when in vr, after updating win 10 pro the other day seams the windows had turned the gaming mode on in the update so ive turned it back off and everythings back to light speed .

 

[INSTG8R]

ive been having something the same when in vr, after updating win 10 pro the other day seams the windows had turned the gaming mode on in the update so ive turned it back off and everythings back to light speed .

I’ve never turned it off just Game Bar but I see “turn off Game Mode” here and there and wonder if it’s affecting my game performance I‘m not noticing

 

[xtreemchaos]

ive only turned it off for the VR rigg because of micro stutter i was advised from the oculus forum and it stops it in VR i dont know about flat games but its worth a try buddy.

turn off Game Mode

 

[INSTG8R]

ive only turned it off for the VR rigg because of micro stutter i was advised from the oculus forum and it stops it in VR i dont know about flat games but its worth a try buddy.

Yeah I formatted recently and reinstalled CP2077 and was looking for tweaks last night ano that was one of them

 

[Deleted member 205776]

ive only turned it off for the VR rigg because of micro stutter i was advised from the oculus forum and it stops it in VR i dont know about flat games but its worth a try buddy.

Really? Is this why I sometimes get stutters with my Rift S? Turned it off, hopefully that'll improve.

 

[floky99]

Most PC cases have cool air coming in from the front and hot air exhausting at the back and/or top, so you want to orient your CPU cooler such that the hot air being exhausted is pointing directly at an exhaust fan at the back or top of your case.

If you CPU temperatures say 75C, that means the CPU has equalised with the temperature of the exhaust air, and so the exhaust air will be hot, somewhere near the same temperature as your CPU temperature reading. You absolutely do not want your CPU exhaust air to be heating up your graphics card! Ideally, the case fans at the front of your case are blowing fresh, cool air over the top and bottom of your graphics card.

Even if you ignore the heating effect of the CPU exhaust on the graphics card, having the fan pointed downwards like that is fighting against the front-to-back, or front-to-top airflow direction. Oriented like that, it is actively fighting all the other fans in your case, making the CPU fan less effective, and the case fans less effective. The difference in CPU and case temperature may not be very big, but there is absolutely a right way and a wrong way to do things and the wrong way is consistently worse for temperatures and noise levels.

This is the right way to do it. The wrong way will also work, but it'll just be hotter/noisier:

This is the picture of tower (red square) and fan (blue square), is this the correct fan position or should it be on the bottom of red square?