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Frametime spikes and stuttering after switching to AMD CPU?

phanbuey said:
what is the current rig? the 5800x3d?

what SSD do you have?
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yea 5700x3d, the samsung one 970 evo plus, im really thinking this is a gpu issue or something, but something like 3dmark works without any problem
 
check out PowerSettingsExplorer - theres alot of HDD settings, and PCIE link settings that can cause issues - see if messing with it helps.

Particularly the "NVME Power State Transition Latency Tolerance" -- set it to 15 on the active power plan for all drives and see if that helps.
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Windows power plan settings explorer utility

http://www.mediafire.com/file/wt37sbsejk7iepm/PowerSettingsExplorer.zip MD5 hash for zip-file: 4E5171D0F146BCD0AEF128256FC4B304 I got sick of...
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I'm on a bit of a stutter hunt on one of my systems myself so i'll post here as I find things.

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dont forget to hit apply on the bottom left.
 
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@Montelo

fwiw, I have an MSI B550 board, Ryzen 5900X, Geforce 4090 (had an 3070Ti before, but same issue) and I think same SSD as you. Most games have "periodic" sub-second freezes (every ~10-20 seconds), some games work okay-ish, some are basically unplayable. Tried a bunch of things also suggested in this thread over the last year (HPT etc.), but about ready to throw it into the trash and just get an intel system...
 
momoda said:
@Montelo

fwiw, I have an MSI B550 board, Ryzen 5900X, Geforce 4090 (had an 3070Ti before, but same issue) and I think same SSD as you. Most games have "periodic" sub-second freezes (every ~10-20 seconds), some games work okay-ish, some are basically unplayable. Tried a bunch of things also suggested in this thread over the last year (HPT etc.), but about ready to throw it into the trash and just get an intel system...
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have you tried fixing the nvme latency as above? This was a common bug with crucial nvme as well.

NVME Power State Transition Latency Tolerance - was set to 200ms or 100ms instead of 15 and it would stutter as the drive switched power states.
 
phanbuey said:
have you tried fixing the nvme latency as above? This was a common bug with crucial nvme as well.

NVME Power State Transition Latency Tolerance - was set to 200ms or 100ms instead of 15 and it would stutter as the drive switched power states.
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I haven't tried that so far, but will do on Sunday/Monday and follow up here, thanks for the suggestion.
 
phanbuey said:
check out PowerSettingsExplorer - theres alot of HDD settings, and PCIE link settings that can cause issues - see if messing with it helps.

Particularly the "NVME Power State Transition Latency Tolerance" -- set it to 15 on the active power plan for all drives and see if that helps.
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Windows power plan settings explorer utility

http://www.mediafire.com/file/wt37sbsejk7iepm/PowerSettingsExplorer.zip MD5 hash for zip-file: 4E5171D0F146BCD0AEF128256FC4B304 I got sick of...
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I'm on a bit of a stutter hunt on one of my systems myself so i'll post here as I find things.

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dont forget to hit apply on the bottom left.
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It looks like this for me, im using the second power plan should i put the checkmark in there and still set it to 15?
 
Montelo said:
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It looks like this for me, im using the second power plan should i put the checkmark in there and still set it to 15?
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try that yes let me know if still stuttery.

dont forget to hit apply at the bottom left it's hidden.
 
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Are you running your games in full screen mode or board less windowed mode?
I had an issue with No man's sky running in full screen mode and setting one the V-sync settings in the Nvidia control panel gave me stuttering. Changing the setting back to default fixed that, but so will just running in board less windowed mode. Nothing else would remove the hiccups. It would be running a 16ms on 60fps then a 23ms hit ever 5 seconds.
 
you can also try turning off vsync globally in your gpu driver software, force it off globally. then rivatuner with a medium hook set it to your monitor refresh rate (so that freesync still works the entire time)

this is what I do anyway, and never had any issues.

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wait so this is on the same board that your friend has also with a 5700x3d and he has no stutters?
 
Montelo said:
my friend even has an older board msi b350pro vdh and he has no stutters whatsoever
I have the

MSI MPG B550 Gaming Plus​

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Whoa, this thread's still going

I don't remember if I or anyone else mentioned, but could you try using another room/outlet to power the PC?
Sounds like nonsense, but since almost every thing imaginable has been tried, why not?
 
R1nge said:
Whoa, this thread's still going

I don't remember if I or anyone else mentioned, but could you try using another room/outlet to power the PC?
Sounds like nonsense, but since almost every thing imaginable has been tried, why not?
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yea i tried a different outlet didnt work sadly
 

^this is more of a "you're not alone" - start at 11:30

Try disabling MPO and see if that helps
 
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could be -- try disabling MPO :

To disable Multiplane Overlay (MPO) in Windows, you can modify the registry. Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Dwm, create a new DWORD (32-bit) value named OverlayTestMode, and set its value to 5. Alternatively, you can use a registry file (.reg) to automate this process.

Detailed Steps:
  1. Open Registry Editor: Press Win + R, type regedit, and press Enter.

  2. Navigate to the key: Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Dwm.

  3. Create the DWORD value: Right-click in the right pane, select "New" > "DWORD (32-bit) Value".

  4. Name the value: Name the new value OverlayTestMode.

    • Set the value data: Double-click OverlayTestMode, set the "Value data" to 5, and click "OK".
    • Restart your computer: This is required for the changes to take effect.

It's not the CPU(s) - clearly some software or setting is causing that's specific to your rig. - so some program, network router, etc.

if you disconnect from the internet do you still get the stutters in borderlands?
 
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Montelo said:
I think i have this problem since i switched my Mainboard and CPU
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Well, I might also have thoses on Intel platform: I got an I5-13500T 35W it's a bit special as it lowers clock quite heavily.
I am addressing to you directly as it is simpler because there are too many pages allready:
(I had those stutters on Overwatch. Do you also play it?)

Some things I personally did:
Could you precise if you got a double internet connection method ? Else deactivate Wifi
How much ram you got, would you try setting 0 shared memory (as of deactivating it) ? Force computer to use RAM then give us a screen of a memtest aida64 ram benchmark
System > Advanced system settings > Performance > Settings > Advanced > Virtual Memory > Change > select drive > No paging file > Set (do it with each drive)
Some games looks like that with high pooling rate mouse [no need to go over 2000hz] What mouse do you have? But it don't seem to be your case.. nor Disabling C-state in BIOS

What haven't you tried until this point?
- Deactivating all audio peripherals and see. [high audio format can overload CPU and sound card = don't go over DVD format]
device manager> audio > disable (do it with each) disabling audio improvements
- Monitor swap [bad cable?]
 
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phanbuey said:
could be -- try disabling MPO :

To disable Multiplane Overlay (MPO) in Windows, you can modify the registry. Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Dwm, create a new DWORD (32-bit) value named OverlayTestMode, and set its value to 5. Alternatively, you can use a registry file (.reg) to automate this process.

Detailed Steps:
  1. Open Registry Editor: Press Win + R, type regedit, and press Enter.

  2. Navigate to the key: Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Dwm.

  3. Create the DWORD value: Right-click in the right pane, select "New" > "DWORD (32-bit) Value".

  4. Name the value: Name the new value OverlayTestMode.

    • Set the value data: Double-click OverlayTestMode, set the "Value data" to 5, and click "OK".
    • Restart your computer: This is required for the changes to take effect.

It's not the CPU(s) - clearly some software or setting is causing that's specific to your rig. - so some program, network router, etc.

if you disconnect from the internet do you still get the stutters in borderlands?
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this doesn't work now on latest 24H2, there is a new one.
 
phanbuey said:
could be -- try disabling MPO :

To disable Multiplane Overlay (MPO) in Windows, you can modify the registry. Navigate to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Dwm, create a new DWORD (32-bit) value named OverlayTestMode, and set its value to 5. Alternatively, you can use a registry file (.reg) to automate this process.

Detailed Steps:
  1. Open Registry Editor: Press Win + R, type regedit, and press Enter.

  2. Navigate to the key: Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Dwm.

  3. Create the DWORD value: Right-click in the right pane, select "New" > "DWORD (32-bit) Value".

  4. Name the value: Name the new value OverlayTestMode.

    • Set the value data: Double-click OverlayTestMode, set the "Value data" to 5, and click "OK".
    • Restart your computer: This is required for the changes to take effect.

It's not the CPU(s) - clearly some software or setting is causing that's specific to your rig. - so some program, network router, etc.

if you disconnect from the internet do you still get the stutters in borderlands?
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i didnt try it yet but i will give it a shot.

I tried Windows 11 again today and i got way more microstutters in CS than in Windows 10... im really thinking this is some kind of Windows/Driver issue, i will still try to get a RTX 5070 but i doubt that will fix this issue tried the other RAM kit aswell didnt help either so i can certainly say this is also not a Ram issue it would be really weird if both kits are "funky"

0:06 0:23 1:12 2:48 for example
 
Seems to be a driver in windows. Maybe the NVMe driver? II would try Linux for the 2-3 games you mainly have problems with in order to check if it is a hardware problem. Maybe the basic microsoft driver for the NVMe that is called "typical NVMe express controller driver" (https://nvmexpress.org/drivers/windowsdrivers) if installed over the manufacturer's driver can solve such an issue. I did so years ago and indeed the system worked much better afterwards.
 
HD64G said:
Seems to be a driver in windows. Maybe the NVMe driver? II would try Linux for the 2-3 games you mainly have problems with in order to check if it is a hardware problem. Maybe the basic microsoft driver for the NVMe that is called "typical NVMe express controller driver" (https://nvmexpress.org/drivers/windowsdrivers) if installed over the manufacturer's driver can solve such an issue. I did so years ago and indeed the system worked much better afterwards.
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how do i download it?


What i find so bizarre is a friend of mine just switched his board from intel to his old MSI b350 since he also got a Ryzen 5700x3d he didnt even reinstall windows and he has no issues at all and im having issues here even after reinstalling multiple times

https://imgur.com/a/8sMXiqr
 
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Montelo said:
how do i download it?


What i find so bizarre is a friend of mine just switched his board from intel to his old MSI b350 since he also got a Ryzen 5700x3d he didnt even reinstall windows and he has no issues at all and im having issues here even after reinstalling multiple times

https://imgur.com/a/8sMXiqr
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Post a screenshot first of what there is installed in your storage controller segment of device management. Also, does your NVMe has a suite or tool that upgrades its firmware?
 
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Montelo said:
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Some sort of bottleneck ? Since you got at least 16GB of RAM, as I suggested to you - you can try disabling shared memory (probably not being a RAM issue, it will prevent caching onto your drive/SSD). Drives also do there own caching, someone recommanded you to check your drivers and firmwares (Samsung has Magician_software to do it).

My guess is not a driver conflict per say, but I don't think you actually know how to activate G-sync properly. May causes you symptoms if STEP 3 is unchecked:
0. Activate VRR on your monitor [ON /OFF] (some have F-sync Premium "Pro" that activates HDR or higher VRR range)
1. Main monitor must be the one with the higher frequency and G-sync [Settings > System > Display > select & "Make this my main display"]
2. Nvidia control panel [G-sync > Windowed and full screen mode]
3. Check box [enable settings for the selected display model] needed for "Compatible" displays
4. [V-sync > ON] but you have to limit to 3-5FPS lower than max for "smooth" Play [NVIDIA panel > 3D > global > max_frames > 140]

Game should only see 140HZ after setting G-sync properly
 
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