G.Skill Ripjaws V 3600MHz or Trident Z 3866MHz?

[Woomack]

I wouldn't trust in results from around the web. People say it's overclocking up to 4200+ but barely any result is actually stable for longer. A lot depends on the motherboard and BIOS. I'm not saying that because I can't set it so high (well, I can), I just see that all who are reading posts have high expectations and later are looking for issues in their hardware because they can't stabilize 4000+.

Samsung B is in a couple of revisions right now. Depends on the series, it can make ~3600 max or can pass ~5000 (these bad IC were mostly in ADATA kits as I remember). G.Skill is using better IC series in all 3000/3200 CL14, 3600 CL15/16/17 and everything 3733+. The same some other brands but at least from lower frequency kits, I would trust almost only Trident Z 3200 C14. However, new kits at more relaxed timings can be now Hynix or Micron. Both of them can make 3600 at CL18/19/20 and I guess this is in Ripjaws V 3600 CL19 kit linked in this thread. The same XMP can be found in Sniper X and competitive memory kits from new series.

Good luck with your new memory. It looks like a nice kit and should OC well

 

[phill]

Trident Z 3866MHz and for what I've seen the model number F4-3866C18Q-32GTZ should be B-die, i hope so.

Looking forward to hearing all about it

 

[FireFox]

A lot depends on the motherboard and BIOS.

Right now Rog Maximus X hero till the ASUS Rog Maximus XI Extreme is available where i live

Looking forward to hearing all about it

I'm not asking for the end of the world or the third world war 4000MHz/4100MHZ would makes me happy

 

[Woomack]

Maximus XI Gene looks like this:
https://valid.x86.fr/xhyu8g
Arrived yesterday so no time on stability tests but I'm not sure if I will use it for anything else than benching. I'm not counting to stabilize it anywhere close to that CPU-Z valid and I won't even try because of sick voltages but it clearly can run at high memory clock.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Trident Z all the way, they are likely B-Die with the A1 PCB which are the best for high freq with low latency oc's.

are you the RAM God of TPU ? Cause I have a question. What budget friendly 2400/2666 kit can be oc'd to 3200 CL14 at reasonable voltage to run 24/7 ?

 

[FireFox]

are you the RAM God of TPU ? Cause I have a question. What budget friendly 2400/2666 kit can be oc'd to 3200 CL14 at reasonable voltage to run 24/7 ?

Someone told me that @sneekypeet Knows about Memory OC

 

[sneekypeet]

Someone told me that @sneekypeet Knows about Memory OC

I know a little.

 

[Woomack]

are you the RAM God of TPU ? Cause I have a question. What budget friendly 2400/2666 kit can be oc'd to 3200 CL14 at reasonable voltage to run 24/7 ?

Maybe not a question for me but there is no guaranteed RAM below 3000 that can make 3200 CL14 just because only Samsung IC can make it and all manufacturers use them in more expensive memory series. At 2133-2400 can be OEM series or something that can also be based on Micron or Hynix ... or even Nanya.
If you want 3200 CL14 then just buy 3000 CL14 or 3200 CL14 kit.

 

[phill]

are you the RAM God of TPU ? Cause I have a question. What budget friendly 2400/2666 kit can be oc'd to 3200 CL14 at reasonable voltage to run 24/7 ?

Any B Die based ram will overclock, just depends at what timings you want to how fast you can push it. Any RAM overclocking isn't going to offer massive increases unless your running 2133 stuff, but a jump to 3000 or to 3200 would be a good half way house. With the cost of B die tho, you're better off buying the speed you want ie 3200 and then pushing it further that way personally. There's quite a price jump from what I've seen for it..

 

[sneekypeet]

Just putting it out there...
Not all b-die is created equal, and not all clocks. If this conversation were happening a year ago, I'd agree.

 

[phill]

Just putting it out there...
Not all b-die is created equal, and not all clocks. If this conversation were happening a year ago, I'd agree.

I'm glad my stuff is about 2 years old.. It clocks pretty well thankfully

 

[Woomack]

Just putting it out there...
Not all b-die is created equal, and not all clocks. If this conversation were happening a year ago, I'd agree.

Worse series are usually already in memory kits at more relaxed timings like my friend was reviewing ADATA memory at 3200 CL16 and it could run at max ~3600 so about the same scaling as new Micron/Hynix and it was Samsung B. That's why I said that safe kits are these at already tight timings or something 3866+ where worse IC just couldn't be used.
G.Skill is still using 2133 IC which has tight timing tables and starts at CL15 (with lower or higher range). In my HyperX Predator RGB is B-die IC at 2400 with a base of CL17. It runs great at more relaxed timings but isn't as good at tight timings.

 

[erixx]

Thaiphoon not working here (installed fine, but doesn't show any info of my ram.) "Has not detected any SPD EPROM device"

I have the Trident Z 3866MHz 16 GB Quad channel, but a version with a bit slower secondary timings than W1zzard's and Cadaveca's. Very undocumented.... Wonder what and how far i can savely go with them.

just found the Thaiphoon database, entered my part number and voilà! Got an E-die.

 

[Vario]

are you the RAM God of TPU ? Cause I have a question. What budget friendly 2400/2666 kit can be oc'd to 3200 CL14 at reasonable voltage to run 24/7 ?

Get the cheaper B die kits, things to look for are the TridentZ and Rip Jaws 3000 CL14 and the Rip Jaws 2800 CL 14 kits. Some of the Trident Z 3200 CL15 are B die but there may be some Hynix on those SKUs, dig through this site: https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/

I wouldn't trust in results from around the web. People say it's overclocking up to 4200+ but barely any result is actually stable for longer. A lot depends on the motherboard and BIOS. I'm not saying that because I can't set it so high (well, I can), I just see that all who are reading posts have high expectations and later are looking for issues in their hardware because they can't stabilize 4000+.

Samsung B is in a couple of revisions right now. Depends on the series, it can make ~3600 max or can pass ~5000 (these bad IC were mostly in ADATA kits as I remember). G.Skill is using better IC series in all 3000/3200 CL14, 3600 CL15/16/17 and everything 3733+. The same some other brands but at least from lower frequency kits, I would trust almost only Trident Z 3200 C14. However, new kits at more relaxed timings can be now Hynix or Micron. Both of them can make 3600 at CL18/19/20 and I guess this is in Ripjaws V 3600 CL19 kit linked in this thread. The same XMP can be found in Sniper X and competitive memory kits from new series.

Good luck with your new memory. It looks like a nice kit and should OC well

I validated and was able to benchmark a bit at 4300 CL19 on the 3200 CL14 TridentZ, they were easy to overclock. Only used something like 1.38 Vdimm and 1.10 VCCIO/VCSSA, probably had the head room to stabilize it or go higher if I tweaked the sub timings but it really made no difference in what i was doing so I didn't bother. Probably was not stable but it did get there very easily without any hassle. I bought the ram at the recommendation of Cadaveca. I just run it at 3200 CL14 XMP with the voltages set to 1.35 Vdimm 1.050 VCCIO 1.050 VCSSA.

Knoxx's current ram is dual rank, is the 3866 single rank or dual?

 

[FireFox]

is the 3866 single rank or dual?

Dual

 

[Vario]

Dual

Awesome, Dual has a slight additional performance gain over Single Rank.

You should also get a 970 Pro SSD IMO, make your system more zippy.

 

[FireFox]

You should also get a 970 Pro SSD IMO, make your system more zippy.

I have a 970 Evo and you hurt his feelings

first i need to see how much i get for my Ripjaws and maybe with that money i get a 970 PRO

since SSD price has dropped drastically.

The 970 Pro 512GB went from EUR 319,90 to EUR 170,90

I just run it at 3200 CL14 XMP with the voltages set to 1.35 Vdimm 1.050 VCCIO 1.050 VCSSA.

Most of the time i avoid XMP, your VCCIO and VCSSA voltage is way lower than mine, to keep my Ripjaws 3000MHz at 3300MHZ i need 1.20V for both the only thing i didn't have to increase was the Vdimm voltage.

 

[Vario]

I have a 970 Evo and you hurt his feelings

first i need to see how much i get for my Ripjaws and maybe with that money i get a 970 PRO

since SSD price has dropped drastically.

The 970 Pro 512GB went from EUR 319,90 to EUR 170,90


Most of the time i avoid XMP, your VCCIO and VCSSA voltage is way lower than mine, to keep my Ripjaws 3000MHz at 3300MHZ i need 1.20V for both the only thing i didn't have to increase was the Vdimm voltage.

Probably can reduce my Vdimm I haven't bothered to try. I only suggested SSD because it would make as big or bigger difference than the ram, and we can all use more storage eventually. 1 TB would be nice, I plan to do a 1TB 970 EVO in the next year or two.

 

[FireFox]

I only suggested SSD because it would make as big or bigger difference than the ram, and we can all use more storage eventually.

And the 970 Evo wouldn't make any difference or it has to be the 970 Pro for that?

i was thinking to sell the 960 Evo and buy the 970 Pro but as i can see the ASUS ROG Maximus XI Extreme has 4x M.2, that said , i can keep both the 970/960 Evo and get the 970 Pro

 

[Vario]

And the 970 Evo wouldn't make any difference or it has to be the 970 Pro for that?

i was thinking to sell the 960 Evo and buy the 970 Pro but as i can see the ASUS ROG Maximus XI Extreme has 4x M.2, that said , i can keep both the 970/960 Evo and get the 970 Pro

Well I am still on 2013 SSD but it is up to you if you want that extra little bit, then you can ditch the SATA stuff. To be honest I don't know if the 970 pro vs evo difference is perceivable.

 

[eidairaman1]

Compare your timings and voltage between the two kits.

Thats how I found out my 2133 ripjaws X kitw ould oc to trident 2400 specs, their timings are even lower at 2400 than what GSKill has them for.

Well I am still on 2013 SSD but it is up to you if you want that extra little bit, then you can ditch the SATA stuff. To be honest I don't know if the 970 pro vs evo difference is perceivable.

Reliability.

 

[FireFox]

I couldn't be happier

 

[Vario]

Single rank though (1RX8).

 

[FireFox]

Single rank though (1RX8).

I don't know much about Ram, you quoted my post now i am lost

All i can say is: my dream ( 4000MHz ) costed me 364€

 

[EarthDog]

Seems like a huge waste of cash to me considering the lack of performance improvement...way to strap a fire hose to your garden spigot.

...regardless, enjoy!