GPU upgrade

[Vayra86]

Just to give some more perspective on what I consider good GPU moves;

I had a GTX 770 *new*. I waited a bit and bought a 780ti second hand for 280 EUR. Sold the 770 for 150 EUR.

When I moved to 1080, I sold the 780ti for 220 EUR - had a good year of gaming out of it. That's 5 EUR/month.

The 1080 was then a substantial upgrade (+80-100% perf) for 260 EUR on top of the sale price of my 780ti. 280+260 = 540 EUR. Just a tiny bit more than buying that same 1080 new.

See how this works when there is more time between upgrades? You make substantial moves, save money 'trading up' and get the usage for a very low price or free. Its all about timing, and because Turing is such a sad display of a generational leap (literally no progress in perf/dollar), any resale of a Pascal card is also going to be shit value for you. There is no change compared to 2016 when Pascal released. Reselling cards works when you 'feed' on the generational performance increases at the same price points.

Anyway, I'm seeing that you're starting to open up abit, so I thought I'd share that. Hope you get to the right decision with the info provided

 

[cucker tarlson]

I moved from 980 to 980ti 2 months after I got the first one. Then bought 1080 10 months later. FE at a very nice price,and I liked the looks. After AIBs dropped their initial horrendoues price, I got a SJS version.

Counting price per months is just beyond my understanding of what gaming is to a person. It's a hobby, not a nine to five. Its to please you, not make you go through your bills. If I knew it's such a bad move for me that you're making it,I wouldn't even ask.

I was always open, just not to points like "it's stupid,save for beer,cards don't break".

Answer me this though: if I hold on for another year,what will that give me ?

 

[Vayra86]

I never said a hobby shouldn't cost money, I mean, I do this with disposable income as well and I have exactly zero outstanding debt *anywhere*.

I'm saying, upgrading within the same gen is never really a good idea. Its a better idea then, to get what you want right away.

Sensible - key word

 

[cucker tarlson]

Then what do I get for a performance increase now if a used 1080ti is such a stupid idea ?

 

[Deleted member 178884]

Then what do I get for a performance increase now if a used 1080ti is such a stupid idea ?

Nothing much really - blame nvidia for choosing RTX over a performance gain.

 

[Vayra86]

Then what do I get for a performance increase now if a used 1080ti is such a stupid idea ?

That was never your initial point. Re-read your opening post. You wanted to get away from a 1080 because warranty. You literally said you were fine with the performance.

If you want more performance, right now, I would still say: WAIT. I think around January 2019 GPU prices will be quite a bit better - end of holiday season / Christmas and the dust around RTX has settled. You should start following price trends right about november and see where they go - both RTX and 1080ti used. They will peak and then they will drop.

In addition, in January the relative performance of a 1080 is still 100% the same as it is now, so its value is barely any different. You only stand to win from waiting.

 

[cucker tarlson]

I said the performance is fine,not that it can't be better. You interpret everything the way you like.

well I wanted a ps4 pro too, what do you think ? I can get it instead of the gpu, or should I wait for ps5 ?

 

[Deleted member 178884]

I said the performance is fine,not that it can't be better.

To be honest if you think of it from that point of view, you'll never be satisfied with what you have, since I'd involve upgrading every generation since new games will often run like crap - you'll never hit 2k 165fps on every title out there - a 1080 ti be minor upgrade but nothing special, Your main post stated you were happy with the performance and your "main reason" for upgrading was because of the warranty ending. If your insistent on the upgrade being worthwhile you may as well go for it - since we can't advice you if your strictly thinking it's the best idea.

 

[Vayra86]

I said the performance is fine,not that it can't be better. You interpret everything the way you like.

well I wanted a ps4 pro too, what do you think ? I can get it instead of the gpu, or should I wait for ps5 ?

OK stop trolling bro Man... I don't know if I love you or hate you. Or both. LOL

On a more serious note, there is this option of keeping money in your pockets. I know the burning feeling, take it like a man.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

OK stop trolling bro

Not sure if this thread is a troll or testing us

 

[cucker tarlson]

Don't be so serious, just let go..... All in all,money is just money,laughter is priceless.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

On a more serious note, there is this option of keeping money in your pockets. I know the burning feeling, take it like a man.

Very true - it's temping to upgrade for the sake of being on the top of the line hardware - I think he should save and wait out for 7nm - it is a long way away but the performance yield will be that worth it.

 

[Vayra86]

Don't be so serious, just let go..... All in all,money is just money,laughter is priceless.

I smell a 2080ti on the way...

Laughter guaranteed

 

[Deleted member 178884]

I smell a 2080ti on the way...

Guess the "RTX on" on his profile picture was accurate after all.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Nah,not touching anything over 3000 pln, I got a rule, and a rule is a rule.
2080ti is 5200, 2080 is 3550, that 1080ti is 2700.

 

[Deleted member 178884]

that 1080ti is 2700.

Not bad at all for a 1080 ti trio - Just be glad the mining craze is over if you make the jump - I paid £765 for my 1080 ti ftw3 new which is around 3749.63 pln - The 2080 here is around that - that was a few weeks into the mining craze though. 1080 ti's are damn good cards, I had upgraded from my 980 ti gaming x and decided to stay on this 1080 ti for a good 5 years or so.

 

[John Naylor]

I'd just wait ... since you are not in US, don't have to worry about the 30% tariff ... a) the RTX cards will be into the 2nd stepping phase so they new cards will have less bugaboos ... b) you'll be in a better position to decide which one you want .... the supply glut of unsold 1xxx series cards will have been exhausted and card prices will tumble. However I don't think the upgrade will be worth it, **normally ** considering what ya can get selling a card almost out of warranty.

At 1080p (Acer XB241) already is far more than I'd recommend for 1080p already .... On the other hand, a 30% increase in performance, in the example given ( 60 fps => 78, is enough to turn off G-Sync and use ULMB ... a very worthwhile user experience improvement.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Not bad at all for a 1080 ti trio - Just be glad the mining craze is over if you make the jump - I paid £765 for my 1080 ti ftw3 new which is around 3749.63 pln - The 2080 here is around that - that was a few weeks into the mining craze though. 1080 ti's are damn good cards, I had upgraded from my 980 ti gaming x and decided to stay on this 1080 ti for a good 5 years or so.

It's +4000 pln new atm

I'd just wait ... since you are not in US, don't have to worry about the 30% tariff ... a) the RTX cards will be into the 2nd stepping phase so they new cards will have less bugaboos ... b) you'll be in a better position to decide which one you want .... the supply glut of unsold 1xxx series cards will have been exhausted and card prices will tumble. However I don't think the upgrade will be worth it, **normally ** considering what ya can get selling a card almost out of warranty.

At 1080p (Acer XB241) already is far more than I'd recommend for 1080p already .... On the other hand, a 30% increase in performance, in the example given ( 60 fps => 78, is enough to turn off G-Sync and use ULMB ... a very worthwhile user experience improvement.

xb241yu is 1440p. And ULMB is a very good point.

 

[R0H1T]

Don't be so serious, just let go..... All in all,money is just money,laughter is priceless.

Well if you're that serious about laughter there's the 8180 platinum, alternatively the rumored 5GHz 28 core if you wanna keep yourself warm

 

[cucker tarlson]

Two of those in one system will not do the job for me.I need a 9700k if anything.

Frankly,you really hit the nail on the head John (as always if I'm to be honest). I completely forgot about ulmb since my 1080 could never run it at constant 120 fps, that's why I got so used to using g-sync.I tried BF1 at 120hz ulmb, and to my surprise the CPU is driving it absolutely fine and the experience is almost flawless, except for the few parts where my 1080 can't do 120 even at high. Adaptive v-sync helps a lot though, I see the frames are out of sync, but there is no perceptible increase to lag.

Spoiler: bf1 pics

I played two more demanding maps, and sadly my 1080 is falling really short of the target 120 at high settings. In amiens it's pegged at 98% all the time while I'm at 100-110 fps mostly, with lows at 97-98. You can really feel it's nowhere near the flawless experience I had one the first map when the fps was locked at 120 practically all the time. On the french map it's better, I'm getting much closer to 120, but still 94-98% GPU utilization with frequent drops to 110-115. CPU is doing fine driving the card, though it's somwhere in the vicinity of 75% usage all the time.I think it can handle steady 120 even on the most demanding maps.

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By far the most responsive experience is with 120hz ulmb + fast sync at medium settings. I get 130-150 fps, GPU is getting +90% utilization too. I can see that it's not v-sync/gsync though,I prefer to have my fps synced to refresh rate,I am very sensitive to that, frames out of sync just feel bit weird to me. I think locked 120/120 at high settings with some ultra is achievable with 1080Ti, or at least a mix of ultra-high.

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I think 1080ti now -> a new cpu on black friday (if it turns out I need one) is a path that'll hold me well into 2020. TBH if my 5775c can hold BF1 at 120, I don't know if I need a new one though. I know I guy from ocn that runs 1080ti on 5775c 4.3 with a 1440p 165hz g-sync/ulmb monitor and he's praising that cpu a lot too.My 1080 however stays at +90% usage and drops a few frames on some maps even at high settings. I'd have to go med-high, and that's just too big of a visual decrease going from ultra.

 

[trog100]

i think a used 1080 TI is a nice little cost effective upgrade from a 1080 not a lot different than moving to a 2080 but a lot cheaper..

okay its last years model but this years model is over priced for what it gives..

trog

 

[cucker tarlson]

i think a used 1080 TI is a nice little cost effective upgrade from a 1080 not a lot different than moving to a 2080 but a lot cheaper..

okay its last years model but this years model is over priced for what it gives..

trog

it's just sad that there's no good upgrade path if you want a next gen card at reasonable price. New 1080ti's are even worse here in PL. I have always been able to buy the fastest gpu at around 3000pln, now best I can get is a used 1080ti at 2700. Graphics have been very stagnant for the last couple of years though,and I have no doubt that 1080ti will be a beast for another 2 years or more. Plus the trio cooler is doing a fantastic job on this power hog.

 

[Vayra86]

Having read your CPU usage story a post earlier, I think you might want to start monitoring per-core loads. 75% on a 4c8t CPU means its already using HT threads. You're also not seeing fixed 99-100% loads on your GPU even being a 1080. RTSS can monitor individual cores, if you didn't know already.

If BF is your main performance metric, I think you will definitely have to start looking at a CPU upgrade. Its not so much clocks but DDR4 + physical cores you lack. And even if 4c/8t is sufficient, it can choke on DDR3.

 

[dgianstefani]

Stick with the 1080. 2080ti is the only real worthwhile upgrade here, since 2080=1080ti+RTX-TDP, but price is over your limit. In which case you should wait until next gen and get a 3080 or a 3070. I could also suggest buying one 2070, and buying another 2070 later since NVLink is excellent and a major leap forward over SLI-HB.

The 20xx cards also have DLSS which i think is a rather undermentioned tech, considering it's using the same specialised rendering hardware as RTRT, but the quality effect comes with a *performance gain* not a loss.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Having read your CPU usage story a post earlier, I think you might want to start monitoring per-core loads. 75% on a 4c8t CPU means its already using HT threads. You're also not seeing fixed 99-100% loads on your GPU even being a 1080. RTSS can monitor individual cores, if you didn't know already.

If BF is your main performance metric, I think you will definitely have to start looking at a CPU upgrade. Its not so much clocks but DDR4 + physical cores you lack. And even if 4c/8t is sufficient, it can choke on DDR3.

True,but if it can deliver 130-150 fps at +90% gpu usage then I don't think I really have to upgrade if I want locked 120. An upgrade would be nice, but it wouldn't really give me that much perf improvement.Plus ~75% is worst case scenario, in 32 v. 32 game on a cpu intensive map.
Also @Vayra86 2133 cl9 is still pretty good and 5775c does not really need fast ram that much to perform well due to l4 being the "intermediary" between l3 and dram.

https://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_ram/t...pamieci_ram_wybrac_do_intel_skylake?page=0,11
https://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_ram/t...pamieci_ram_wybrac_do_intel_skylake?page=0,13
https://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_ram/t...pamieci_ram_wybrac_do_intel_skylake?page=0,15


@dlss at 1440p loses a lot of its advantages.IQ takes a pretty big hit.