Have AIOs killed custom loops?

[freeagent]

I agree, most consumer fans are pretty weak. Some push harder than others but…

 

[Nereus]

How serious?

I have a few AFB1212SHE Deltas. They are good for 150cfm with a static pressure of 14.50 mmH2O

https://www.delta-fan.com/Download/Spec/AFB1212SHE.pdf

These MUST be caged. At 3700 rpm, it'll take finger tips straight off. Not a joke.

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LOL yes Deltas are seriously serious fans. ..I used a few of them years ago. They blow a ton of air, and at 56 dB(A) they want to make sure everyone knows it. If fans could wear t-shirts, Delta's t-shirt would say, "ZERO F**KS GIVEN."

 

[ShrimpBrime]

LOL yes Deltas are seriously serious fans. ..I used a few of them years ago. They blow a ton of air, and at 56 dB(A) they want to make sure everyone knows it. If fans could wear t-shirts, Delta's t-shirt would say, "ZERO F**KS GIVEN."

Haha, he'll yeah.

They aren't terrible at lower RPMs. Just gotta tune them like you would any fan. It's just at 50% duty cycle the push more air than most any other case fans at max. My sons case use one of these for Intake. Just 1. No exhaust fans needed lol.

The static pressure is why I bought them. Work great for those extra thick radiators. Something I was trying to help booglebeagle understand with his radiator testing, but he got hung up on a vibrating fin or some shit. Lol.

We used to buy Late Yoon fans. Where pretty popular back in the day. Though I can't bring my mind to give part numbers any more. It's been probably over 10 years since I've had any.

 

[Nereus]

Haha, he'll yeah.

They aren't terrible at lower RPMs. Just gotta tune them like you would any fan. It's just at 50% duty cycle the push more air than most any other case fans at max. My sons case use one of these for Intake. Just 1. No exhaust fans needed lol.

The static pressure is why I bought them. Work great for those extra thick radiators. Something I was trying to help booglebeagle understand with his radiator testing, but he got hung up on a vibrating fin or some shit. Lol.

We used to buy Late Yoon fans. Where pretty popular back in the day. Though I can't bring my mind to give part numbers any more. It's been probably over 10 years since I've had any.

Ohh Late-Yoons - I haven't heard that name for a good 10 years or more. I wonder what happened to them, I guess they went under or got bought out?

And yeah, no point having high static pressure fans on a low profile radiator, but for those really thick buggers like Alphacool, or rads with high density fins, the higher static pressure certainly helps. Can't say I've ever experienced vibrating fins though.. ..did he put a radiator in a wind tunnel or something? lol.

 

[Brotato]

That's an interesting question
The short answer is YES, AIO kill Custom Loops (CL).

The price of the AIOs become really low.
For CPUs under 150-200w, there is really no need for a CL.
CPUs 250-320w for gaming AIO can handle it again.
For maximum performance or "see how nice is my PC" - yeah CL is needed
For CPU+GPU, yeah the best way is CL but that's not so popular nowadays. But video cards today have locked power limits and very good air coolers, so it's a bit pointless for a few % perf. to water-cool them and to lose the warranty.

Do I prefer CL - yes.

yeah. As much as I can rationalize AIOs for ease of use, good support (by some companies), less time spent dicking with them...I don't regret building my CL. Mine would be easy...now that I've done it once, to put together and get it up and running. I don't think I'll ever go back to AIOs or air with my setup.

I'm all thumbs, however. If it came down to using air cooling or AIOs vs a hard tube loop with 3x radiators stuffed into a case? Yeah, that would be a no go on the custom loop idea. My levels of hand dexterity and eyesight would turn that into a leaking and crooked mess.

 

[maxfly]

It's "Yate Loon" and they're still around.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Ohh Late-Yoons - I haven't heard that name for a good 10 years or more. I wonder what happened to them, I guess they went under or got bought out?

And yeah, no point having high static pressure fans on a low profile radiator, but for those really thick buggers like Alphacool, or rads with high density fins, the higher static pressure certainly helps. Can't say I've ever experienced vibrating fins though.. ..did he put a radiator in a wind tunnel or something? lol.

Not sure, I'd have to Google around to find out, but meh. There's so many fans on the market these days....

The thing with AIO, is that's pretty much the only upgrade. Just the fans. Or fan. I mean you could hack an AIO loop up and add parts, but might as well build a custom loop.

I'm not sure what he was on about. He tore down a rad, had some loose fins. Fish tank heater in a bucket. He's got a couple threads. I think he was testing different radiators performance with this method, but there's a lot of variables. Kind of like most people in the garage doing something fun with their hands. Will never come to any specific conclusions with a bunch of mixed up data and lack of some others.

Tried to tell him, 2 decades ago, it was average that every 120mm radiator surface area is good for moving 100w of thermal energy and keeping a cpu within its operating range.

Sure a radiator could move possibly more thermals than that, but we are trying to keep a specific piece of hardware under a certain temp. Thus a fish tank heater isn't good for testing a CPU radiator.

With 100w for every 120.1 rad, you can assume a 120.2 would easily cool a cpu that tops put at 125w. 300w, a bare minimum would be needed of 120.3.. or how they say today a 360 rad?

Now that same 120.1 radiator, might do better with a higher cfm fan. The upgrade AIO could use if purchasing one with shit fans installed.

It's all about keeping the lowest water delta possible. That's all I know.

 

[Nereus]

It's "Yate Loon" and they're still around.

LOL I knew something was a bit off there. Yate Loon. Thank you. Don't see them around much these days.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

It's "Yate Loon" and they're still around.

I did that on purpose. XD

 

[eidairaman1]

I think custom loops have always been a niche market for extreme overclockers. There has never been any need for a custom loop in a regular home PC, ever.

With that said, pre-builders and PC shops are offering top grade gaming setups with custom loops, which makes them slightly more accessible for the random Joe (not that he needs one, but still).

I still prefer custom loops, Koolance took it commercial.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I still prefer custom loops, Koolance took it commercial.

I had ThermalTake big water SE. Was one of their first. And you had to put it together like a custom loop.....

 

[Ruru]

Then why do you have to run with stock or lower than stock power limits

'cos 5800X is hotter than my ex-gf no worries, PBO+200, runs up to 5.05GHz ^^

 

[freeagent]

'cos 5800X is hotter than my ex-gf no worries, PBO+200, runs up to 5.05GHz ^^

I didn't mean that in a bad way, I was just curious

 

[Why_Me]

Custom loop is a hobbyist thing used by less than 1% of PC users if I had to guess.

 

[Vya Domus]

Way less than 1%.

 

[Ruru]

I didn't mean that in a bad way, I was just curious

No worries friend tho I have only one rad and there's also 3080 in the loop so that warms also :/

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Way less than 1%.

1% of 5 million people is 10,000 users.

1% of 50 million is 500,000 users.

Could be less than 500,000 users possibly if we figure there's only 50 million people with gaming PCs.

But there's probably more like 2.5 Billion gaming PCs out there. Let's say 1.75 Billion on water cooling.

So 1 percent of 1.75 billion would be 1 million 750 thousand users.

1,750,000 users with custom loops.

Guesstimated any ways.....

 

[Ruru]

1% of 5 million people is 10,000 users.

1% of 50 million is 500,000 users.

Could be less than 500,000 users possibly if we figure there's only 50 million people with gaming PCs.

But there's probably more like 2.5 Billion gaming PCs out there. Let's say 1.75 Billion on water cooling.

So 1 percent of 1.75 billion would be 1 million 750 thousand users.

1,750,000 users with custom loops.

Guesstimated any ways.....

To be honest, only few (including me) of my online friends have custom loops.

The majority has a good air cooler or AIO on their CPUs.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

To be honest, only few (including me) of my online friends have custom loops.

The majority has a good air cooler or AIO on their CPUs.

Am I a friend? If so, you can put me on the custom loop list.

Was just throwing some numbers around. Kind of get an idea of what 1% looks like is all.

Aw, left thread, not friend. Gotcha no problem. Take me off the list.

 

[eidairaman1]

Am I a friend? If so, you can put me on the custom loop list.

Was just throwing some numbers around. Kind of get an idea of what 1% looks like is all.

One day I will finally dabble in it myself but I do want a spacer plate made for my case so the Rad can sit outside of it under the louvers and not take up any case space.

 

[Ruru]

Am I a friend? If so, you can put me on the custom loop list.

Was just throwing some numbers around. Kind of get an idea of what 1% looks like is all.

Aw, left thread, not friend. Gotcha no problem. Take me off the list.

U are like most TPUers

 

[ShrimpBrime]

One day I will finally dabble in it myself but I do want a spacer plate made for my case so the Rad can sit outside of it under the louvers and not take up any case space.

This is totally a doable thing. There's all kinds of radiators. Like women, got fat ones skinny ones, tall ones, short ones and some that even leak!!!

U are like most TPUers

Whoop whoop!

My custom loops are nothing fancy like most people here. Hard tubes, bling bling, lighting, flow meters ect.

Last one I set up didn't even have a radiator built in. A pump, 2 tubes and a waterblock. Used it for Ice chilling!!!

 

[Ruru]

This is totally a doable thing. There's all kinds of radiators. Like women, got fat ones skinny ones, tall ones, short ones and some that even leak!!!


Whoop whoop!

My custom loops are nothing fancy like most people here. Hard tubes, bling bling, lighting, flow meters ect.

Last one I set up didn't even have a radiator built in. A pump, 2 tubes and a waterblock. Used it for Ice chilling!!!

Hardtubes here as I got a hot air gun :3

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Hardtubes here as I got a hot air gun :3

Love the looks of hard tubes. Never done those. But I swap hardware too much for it.

 

[Ruru]

Love the looks of hard tubes. Never done those. But I swap hardware too much for it.

Measuring and cutting them sucks...