High FPS but games feel choppy

[Zach_01]

Turn XMP/DOCP on
Find the "Uncore OC Mode" in BIOS and Enable it. This should make FCLK/UCLK speeds run constantly at max speed at same 1500MHz as DRAM speed.

After this, see what ZenTimings is displaying...

 

[QuietBob]

Please re-set your memory and FCLK to 3000/1500 in the BIOS, as instructed in this post.

 

[franc1al]

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I noticed that max speed of all 3 is 1333Mhz
So the change of speed is probably due to power saving settings
Is this after gaming?

Thats because it was after I updated my bios the ram was revert to 2666 but i switched it back to 3000 mhz now

Please re-set your memory and FCLK to 3000/1500 in the BIOS, as instructed in this post.

did that yeah. I just tested it real quick

Turn XMP/DOCP on
Find the "Uncore OC Mode" in BIOS and Enable it. This should make FCLK/UCLK speeds run constantly at max speed at same 1500MHz as DRAM speed.

After this, see what ZenTimings is displaying...

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it shows me this error before opening the program and i cant find that uncore OC mode on my bios. i already set FLCK to 1500mhz and DOCP is 3000. i had my ram on 2666 before because i updated my bios and forgot to revert the settings back as they were but now they are fine./

MSI G241 - 1.4b is HDMI and 1.2a DP
if you need working VRR or better bandwidth - recommend only using Display Port

and gtx1650 ? if you gets fully stable 144fps - v-sync on 144hz + check PCgaming wiki for unlock game refresh rate setting "mod"
or must try adaptive HALF-sync "nvpanel" ,.,recommend from 120HZ monitor setup - on 60FPS "this works great for all old/new games"

60fps + compatible in-game rate -- is fully smooth gaming "i also using 120hz gsync only for minimum games on gtx1070 - this not works better"
but depend on game support / additional setup / performance state LOCK for old games ,.,.etc

or FPS limiter "around 141fps"+ VRR on DP.,,i think not works now on 1.4hdmi - still get small screen tearing
and in "NVPANEL" - 3D setting
monitor technology - VRR ??
game preferred frame rate - max or overdrive
v-sync off + fps limiter
,.,always in-game first and when not works setting or missing -try NVpanel


additional
display driver+ color profile
,.,.try send system LOG for determine others HW problems "performance drops" ,,,but some old games is crippled for modern HW "must be little modded" or customized setup - power lock ..etc

I use display port always

 

[Vayra86]

The GPU is brand new. How can it be it's fault?

I don't think it is. I've always ran Nvidia GPUs on adaptive power and they're just fine. Put maximum power and you can actually get lower clocks throughout your gaming, because it always tries to max out voltage, which does not mean you need it for your OC or even stock clocks. You generally don't need to touch anything on an Nvidia GPU, and gentle nudges will generally do best, alongside picking some basic settings for all your games in the 3D settings menu. I see whole posts about manipulating clocks and stuff... stay away, this is nutcase territory if you want stability, though RAM tweaking on Ryzen can definitely pay off - we have more in depth topics on that on TPU as well. If you want more 'stable' GPU clocks, all you have to do is do a slight undervolt and the best way to go there is by Power % slider in Afterburner. Go back to 95~90% and see if you can maintain your clocks, in many cases you can but you'll run cooler. If you do run Optimal/Maximum Power in power management on that, you won't have problems with heat killing clocks either. On this Pascal GPU I can run +500 on mem and +50 on core with 90%

Here's how that looks;

HOWEVER. That never influenced the amount of stutter I had in gaming. Just overall FPS. Some games just choke on code, too, eliminating every stutter isn't happening.

Gaming benefits most from a system that runs clean, lean, and without much in the background going on. Get current drivers and you should simply be set. Are you still experiencing stutter with all the tweaks you've done now?

Already tried switching Fast vsync ON and it made it worse. When I leave it on normal vsync the game is better graphic wise but there is input latency. CSGO is a game that should be played with no Vsync ON. When I use no vsync the FPS would go maximum 200-300 and its not consistent. It drops all the time and goes back up. Also tried low latency mode, still no improvement

What exactly is this drop you're seeing? Can you film it for us?

Max FPS to 200-300 and no consistency are a logical combo, because maintaining that FPS is not happening. Lower your target, and your FPS gap between dip and max is lower, making the experience smoother with no vsync. You can also avoid tearing with no vsync by capping your FPS just under monitor refresh rate, it requires some experimenting with the sweet spot. Here; https://blurbusters.com/howto-low-lag-vsync-on/

People have also mentioned the 3500x being to blame, this is definitely a possibility if you target very high FPS. You're going to be pushing hard on a single core. I'm not entirely convinced you're lacking cores/threads. CS GO should run fine on 6c - unless you run a ton of stuff alongside your game.

 

[QuietBob]

it shows me this error before opening the program

I've never seen this error. Have you installed the latest AMD Chipset Drivers?

 

[Zach_01]

Its not about Chipset drivers. Its ZenTimings driver issue.

Maybe this:

I/O driver is not responding or not loaded. · Issue #27 · irusanov/ZenTimings

Every time I try running ZenTimings 1.2.5 and older, it stays on "waiting for power table" and then I get the "I/O driver is not responding or not loaded" error which omits a few sections. If anyon...

github.com

 

[franc1al]

These are logs made yesterday with HWinfo while playing Fortnite. Surprisngly I didn't have FPS drops this time too much but still the game is not as it should be. Tried with VSync ON and OFF but still the same. Plus I am playing on performance mode with the lowest settings possible. When I go to a heavy place of the game which is Tilted towers there are crazy FPS drops. I dont know who might be causing that the GPU or CPU.

 

[next3r]

<< first only this or need afterburner "not in GLOBAL !!!" direct in GAME PROFILE

NVIDIA Support

nvidia.custhelp.com

to many drops down on gpu memory / core - broken adaptive power or bad power supply ,.,.temp is ok

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?attachments/bez-n%C3%A1zvu-png.147904/

<<<for fast test "need see stable CLOCK for CORE / VRAM or POWER"



edit
try also set monitor 120hz + v-sync or adaptive v-sync or when works VRR - FPS limiter "this is more compatible for all games"

edit2
6cores and 95./. spikes for old games ?? ,.,.what is idle on desktop ??? 3-5./. - TASK MANAGER or HWINFO

I don't think it is. I've always ran Nvidia GPUs on adaptive power and they're just fine. Put maximum power and you can actually get lower clocks throughout your gaming, because it always tries to max out voltage, which does not mean you need it for your OC or even stock clocks. You generally don't need to touch anything on an Nvidia GPU, and gentle nudges will generally do best, alongside picking some basic settings for all your games in the 3D settings menu. I see whole posts about manipulating clocks and stuff... stay away, this is nutcase territory if you want stability, though RAM tweaking on Ryzen can definitely pay off - we have more in depth topics on that on TPU as well. If you want more 'stable' GPU clocks, all you have to do is do a slight undervolt and the best way to go there is by Power % slider in Afterburner. Go back to 95~90% and see if you can maintain your clocks, in many cases you can but you'll run cooler. If you do run Optimal/Maximum Power in power management on that, you won't have problems with heat killing clocks either. On this Pascal GPU I can run +500 on mem and +50 on core with 90%

Here's how that looks;
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HOWEVER. That never influenced the amount of stutter I had in gaming. Just overall FPS. Some games just choke on code, too, eliminating every stutter isn't happening.

Gaming benefits most from a system that runs clean, lean, and without much in the background going on. Get current drivers and you should simply be set. Are you still experiencing stutter with all the tweaks you've done now?


What exactly is this drop you're seeing? Can you film it for us?

Max FPS to 200-300 and no consistency are a logical combo, because maintaining that FPS is not happening. Lower your target, and your FPS gap between dip and max is lower, making the experience smoother with no vsync. You can also avoid tearing with no vsync by capping your FPS just under monitor refresh rate, it requires some experimenting with the sweet spot. Here; https://blurbusters.com/howto-low-lag-vsync-on/

People have also mentioned the 3500x being to blame, this is definitely a possibility if you target very high FPS. You're going to be pushing hard on a single core. I'm not entirely convinced you're lacking cores/threads. CS GO should run fine on 6c - unless you run a ton of stuff alongside your game.

Vayra86>>
why you using power limit ? GTX -91C max /94C slowdown 98- shutdowns "or check GPU-Z-advanced driver info or NVSMI-cmd"
143+TDP and try use CTRL+F in afterburner for custom voltage curve "and here DESKTOP" - 2.2GHZ or similar setup is no problem or custom curve for less heat and no power limit.
.,.,I think the TDP limit is a pity for this GPU or custom curve works better
my gtx 1070 mobile - 2ghz on 0.983V "165W mod" and not have heat problem

example - +OCoffset 150-200 and from this apply lock on"example 0.983mV" this repairs BOOST3 clock kick - CTD" 2.1GHZ and above on pascal in stock + OC problems
benefits - no power limit / no heat / more OC potential "no CTD in boost3"

 

[oobymach]

Do you have msi mode enabled? Quick way to check download and run this utility.

MSI_util_v3

MediaFire is a simple to use free service that lets you put all your photos, documents, music, and video in a single place so you can access them anywhere and share them everywhere.

www.mediafire.com

Run as admin and check that the box for the gpu is checked, if it isn't check it and hit apply in the top right and restart your computer. This will give gpu instructions directly instead of waiting in a queue, might help with your issue.

 

[QuietBob]

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6cores and 95./. spikes for old games ??

You're looking at per thread (single thread) utilization here. It has nothing to do with the number of cores. In fact, it's typical of games to max out a single thread, regardless of CPU architecture, resolution and detail settings.

Frame rate in Fortnite looks normal to me. There are some dips, but this game is infamous for occasional hitching. And frame time is consistent with 8 ms average, save for the two spikes:



@franc1al
What kind of fps are you after? I see you're on a 144 MHz display. If you want constant 144 fps in online games, you will need a CPU with a faster single thread.

 

[next3r]

https://download.msi.com/uti_exe/monitor/DisplayKit-x64.zip

or this is official for gaming MSI monitors ,,.but must works well on without this app

<< max cpu / thread is for complete cpu ?? .,,.my old 4core not have this for new games ,,.,and drops down on 1./. usage in idle
here is min 30./. or more "or only bad LOG" for AMD :/

edit
you right ,,.total cpu is lower but still 85./. max and 17./. idle ,.,still looks weird for old gaming and good clock "3.9ghz" this look to high for me.
and FPS and Frame rate not look drastically but gpu must works little more stable "static" for gaming and really smooth gaming.

edit LOG viewer

LogViewer for HWINFO is available !

Introduction Sometimes I use HWINFO together with FRAPS to run the in games included benchmark to optimize the settings of my graphic adapter! It's the only tool combination I know which logs FPS reliable. But analyzing the logs can be tricky. Of course, you can open a log-file in Excel, but...

www.hwinfo.com

 

[next3r]

good point is also try last working drivers "win10/11 - DCH"

• NVIDIA GeForce 516.94 WHQL
• DDU for clean reinstall drivers

and some AMD not works well on some OLD windows build ,.,what you have ?? "winver" on START - here find version
2075 - is last win10 21h2 / or 22h2 - win11 build607 i think ,. or check google /windows update

possible send direct KB for last build for modded system

 

[Vayra86]

<< first only this or need afterburner "not in GLOBAL !!!" direct in GAME PROFILE

NVIDIA Support

nvidia.custhelp.com

to many drops down on gpu memory / core - broken adaptive power or bad power supply ,.,.temp is ok

https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?attachments/bez-n%C3%A1zvu-png.147904/

<<<for fast test "need see stable CLOCK for CORE / VRAM or POWER"

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edit
try also set monitor 120hz + v-sync or adaptive v-sync or when works VRR - FPS limiter "this is more compatible for all games"

edit2
6cores and 95./. spikes for old games ?? ,.,.what is idle on desktop ??? 3-5./. - TASK MANAGER or HWINFO
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Vayra86>>
why you using power limit ? GTX -91C max /94C slowdown 98- shutdowns "or check GPU-Z-advanced driver info or NVSMI-cmd"
143+TDP and try use CTRL+F in afterburner for custom voltage curve "and here DESKTOP" - 2.2GHZ or similar setup is no problem or custom curve for less heat and no power limit.
.,.,I think the TDP limit is a pity for this GPU or custom curve works better
my gtx 1070 mobile - 2ghz on 0.983V "165W mod" and not have heat problem

example - +OCoffset 150-200 and from this apply lock on"example 0.983mV" this repairs BOOST3 clock kick - CTD" 2.1GHZ and above on pascal in stock + OC problems
benefits - no power limit / no heat / more OC potential "no CTD in boost3"
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I don't understand what you're typing. Its a mishmash of incoherent sentences and lots of supposed settings to tweak, with no basis to do so... sorry mate.

You don't need custom curves and it certainly won't help overall stability; you also want Nvidia GPUs to remain royally below 90C, because since Pascal every 5C you have over 55C is going to cost you boost clock bins. This is why lower peak temps can help your peak clocks, but, as pointed out before, none of this has ANY impact on whether you will have consistent framerates. I also didn't say there is a heat problem Rather that we're looking at supposed problems in this topic that really aren't problems. And fixes that are ridiculously complicated and make very little sense. 'Wild goose chase' comes to mind here.

OP has already replaced the GPU and problems are the same. Power supply is unlikely to be an issue if the system keeps running, because this is not Ampere, this is Turing, and its not a high TDP GPU either. And the CPU temp results also don't show an issue, they show high peak temps, but also a quick recovery, so its clear that is just voltage related and cooling is fine.

These are logs made yesterday with HWinfo while playing Fortnite. Surprisngly I didn't have FPS drops this time too much but still the game is not as it should be. Tried with VSync ON and OFF but still the same. Plus I am playing on performance mode with the lowest settings possible. When I go to a heavy place of the game which is Tilted towers there are crazy FPS drops. I dont know who might be causing that the GPU or CPU.

You keep saying things are not as they should be, but again, this sounds like you still play with uncapped FPS or Vsync ON, which is the choice between high frame time variance or high latency because of Vsync.

make a video. I'm under the impression you're seeing problems that aren't problems. Now Fortnite suddenly isn't dropping frames but still not as it should be... ? Strange, strange indeed.

 

[next3r]

Vayra86>>​

it was just a tip for you how to set the card better ,,.also thermal limit is possible disable or costs one step on curve and -250mhz from memory when is card around limit "91C"
but it doesn't matter "off-topic"

>>
here i think is problem only get better status for system "cpu + GPU" - more static clock for normal usage ?
when try static load - msi kombustor or gpu-z render for determine problem in full usage "here must be static clock/power"
If works card normal here ,next step is similar LOCK or setup for gaming load - fixed adaptive power

last drivers /bios /win build - for better support and this is all

 

[P4-630]

Windows 11 22H2 causing gaming issues for some NVIDIA users

Now that the rollout of the Windows 11 Update 2022 has started, the first problems are also emerging. There are several users who suffer from poor performance in games. The exact cause is not yet known, the majority of those affected seem to use an Nvidia GPU...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[QuietBob]

you right ,,.total cpu is lower but still 85./. max and 17./. idle ,.,still looks weird for old gaming

Fortnite isn't some "old game". It's a constantly updated and evolving MMO shooter. It can take advantage of more than six threads, that's why we see maximum CPU load of 87% here. The 15% minimum was probably at the menu screen after the game has loaded.

BTW, thanks for pointing me to Generic Log Viewer

 

[franc1al]

Thank you guys so much for trying to help me fix the issue. I know that I may sound stupid sometimes but in order for you to see these problems you must play the game yourself with my PC to really understand the issues. I play on other computers on internet cafes and they do not have these kind of issues. To be honest, I feel like I will completely re-build my computer in the future so I will keep playing like this for now. I will invest on an Intel mobo with a good intel cpu and a good cooling system and PSU. Will basically just keep my screen and GPU.

Thanks to everyone who tried to help, I appreciate it. Issue not resolved but topic can be closed whatsoever.

 

[Zach_01]

Thank you guys so much for trying to help me fix the issue. I know that I may sound stupid sometimes but in order for you to see these problems you must play the game yourself with my PC to really understand the issues. I play on other computers on internet cafes and they do not have these kind of issues. To be honest, I feel like I will completely re-build my computer in the future so I will keep playing like this for now. I will invest on an Intel mobo with a good intel cpu and a good cooling system and PSU. Will basically just keep my screen and GPU.

Thanks to everyone who tried to help, I appreciate it. Issue not resolved but topic can be closed whatsoever.

You have a 4+year previous gen old board, a CPU on a generation 3years back which is almost on the lower tier stack, low frequency 6core/6thread, with an average(or below?) GPU and (relatively) low speed RAM.
And you're trying to make this system to produce 300FPS seamlessly on a CPU bound game...
Am I missing anything here?

I am really sorry you feel that way but this looks to me a little absurd.
You can also invest on a good AMD board with a good AMD CPU and faster RAM that it is more appropriate for this kind of gaming.

You have options you know.
You can just buy a better/faster CPU and faster RAM rather than change the entire system because a 6c/6t AMD CPU paired with low frequency RAM does not fulfill your requirements.

 

[mechtech]

You have a 4+year previous gen old board, a CPU on a generation 3years back which is almost on the lower tier stack, low frequency 6core/6thread, with an average(or below?) GPU and (relatively) low speed RAM.
And you're trying to make this system to produce 300FPS seamlessly on a CPU bound game...
Am I missing anything here?

I am really sorry you feel that way but this looks to me a little absurd.
You can also invest on a good AMD board with a good AMD CPU and faster RAM that it is more appropriate for this kind of gaming.

You have options you know.
You can just buy a better/faster CPU and faster RAM rather than change the entire system because a 6c/6t AMD CPU paired with low frequency RAM does not fulfill your requirements.

Maybe it's the nvidia drivers

My old cpu with 2133 ram and my old RX480 had no issues pushing csgo to 150 fps at 1080p easily.

If I had tried all of the suggestions listed here and there was still was the same strangeness I would secure erase the SSD, get the latest legit w10 ISO from MS and format and reinstall windows.

 

[Sombreuil]

You have a 4+year previous gen old board, a CPU on a generation 3years back which is almost on the lower tier stack, low frequency 6core/6thread, with an average(or below?) GPU and (relatively) low speed RAM.
And you're trying to make this system to produce 300FPS seamlessly on a CPU bound game...
Am I missing anything here?

4770k (stock), 1650S and 16Go DDR3 here, CSGO runs at 350FPS.
That being said, OP should also understand that CSGO always feels choppy, especially if playing on the official servers.
CSGO should be: 1280x960 / everything sets to off/low expect shadow quality. Then in the Nvidia control panel, the only option that matters is the "power management mode", it should be set to "Performance".

 

[next3r]

if you try nothing ,you fix nothing ,.,.,no need new PC

edit

Home - UserBenchmark

this fast determine your components ,.if you have some under 60./. - setup all better
No problem setup device on 90+ score - only similar or identical HW is compared.

and if you have problem only in online games.. It's not a problem with your connection ??
try offline game or test room - MSI KOMBUSTOR or new device if you need "intel is probarly more compatible / nvidia"
good luck

 

[Sweifrost]

Hi, I dont know if you got it fixed but i had similar issues and i tried so many things. Today I got it fixed by unplugging my second monitor.I had the same second monitor for years but maybe a new windows or drivers update ruined it. If you have another Monitor make sure to only use your main one, unplug the other from the GPU and then tests!

 

[Mussels]

if you try nothing ,you fix nothing ,.,.,no need new PC

edit

Home - UserBenchmark

this fast determine your components ,.if you have some under 60./. - setup all better
No problem setup device on 90+ score - only similar or identical HW is compared.

and if you have problem only in online games.. It's not a problem with your connection ??
try offline game or test room - MSI KOMBUSTOR or new device if you need "intel is probarly more compatible / nvidia"
good luck

userbenchmark is utter garbage and should never be used

 

[koshibb]

Turn XMP/DOCP on
Find the "Uncore OC Mode" in BIOS and Enable it. This should make FCLK/UCLK speeds run constantly at max speed at same 1500MHz as DRAM speed.

After this, see what ZenTimings is displaying...

View attachment 262598

Do you know where that setting is in z390's asus bios?