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Here we are a week later and the results are a bit surprising. I had no idea so many TPU users were on phones most of the time!
System Name | The |
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Processor | Ryzen 7 5800X |
Motherboard | ASUS PRIME B550-PLUS AC-HES |
Cooling | Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE |
Memory | Silicon Power 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 3200 |
Video Card(s) | RTX 2080S FE | 1060 3GB & 1050Ti 4GB In Storage |
Display(s) | Gigabyte G27Q (1440p / 170hz DP) |
Case | SAMA SV01 |
Power Supply | Firehazard in the making |
Mouse | Corsair Nightsword |
Keyboard | Steelseries Apex Pro |
System Name | Brightworks Systems BWS-6 E-IV |
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Processor | Intel Core i5-6600 @ 3.9GHz |
Motherboard | Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 Rev 1.0 |
Cooling | Quality Fractal Design Define R4 case, 2 x FD 140mm fans, CM Hyper 212 EVO HSF |
Memory | 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3000 Corsair Vengeance |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GEForce GTX 1050Ti 4Gb GDDR5 |
Storage | Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD, Samsung 860 Evo 500GB SSD |
Display(s) | Samsung S24E650BW LED x 2 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova 550W G2 Gold |
Mouse | Logitech M190 |
Keyboard | Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050 |
Software | W10 Pro 64-bit |
the idea of thumb typing on my phone seemed to by the ultimate in inefficiency with a laptop in my room with a a full size KB
That plus my two 24" monitors and my THX surround sound speaker system. And yes, I mean "surround" sound with the rear channel speaker wires running through the floor and up inside the wall behind me to the wall mounted rear speakers!I feel far more comfortable/productive with a keyboard and mouse.
Well, not sure how to describe me. I've been involved and into "high tech" electronics professionally since the late 1960s. But involved and into is not the same thing as adopting, buying and using for "my own" personal use.I have a phone of course, but I really only use it for calls or texts.
I say that makes you sound practical - and that's a good thing in my book.That probably makes me sound a bit older than I am.
I have both a 15" and 17" laptop, each with "full" size keyboard. They've become uncommon, but are not rare.A laptop and a "full size" keyboard? LOL I assume you mean an external USB keyboard.
System Name | Brightworks Systems BWS-6 E-IV |
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Processor | Intel Core i5-6600 @ 3.9GHz |
Motherboard | Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 Rev 1.0 |
Cooling | Quality Fractal Design Define R4 case, 2 x FD 140mm fans, CM Hyper 212 EVO HSF |
Memory | 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3000 Corsair Vengeance |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GEForce GTX 1050Ti 4Gb GDDR5 |
Storage | Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD, Samsung 860 Evo 500GB SSD |
Display(s) | Samsung S24E650BW LED x 2 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova 550W G2 Gold |
Mouse | Logitech M190 |
Keyboard | Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050 |
Software | W10 Pro 64-bit |
For laptops, that's as close as they get. And for most people they're good(enough).If the number pad is integrated with the standard qwerty keys, I would argue it is not full size.
System Name | Brightworks Systems BWS-6 E-IV |
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Processor | Intel Core i5-6600 @ 3.9GHz |
Motherboard | Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 Rev 1.0 |
Cooling | Quality Fractal Design Define R4 case, 2 x FD 140mm fans, CM Hyper 212 EVO HSF |
Memory | 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3000 Corsair Vengeance |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GEForce GTX 1050Ti 4Gb GDDR5 |
Storage | Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD, Samsung 860 Evo 500GB SSD |
Display(s) | Samsung S24E650BW LED x 2 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova 550W G2 Gold |
Mouse | Logitech M190 |
Keyboard | Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050 |
Software | W10 Pro 64-bit |
Yeah, you are right. "For laptops" - that's very true. But that size limitation with laptops is one of the primary reasons (besides screen size and a real mouse) I prefer PCs over laptops and why they aren't really "full size" keyboards.For laptops, that's as close as they get. And for most people they're good(enough).
System Name | Gamey #2 / Office rescue |
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Processor | Ryzen 7 5800X3D / Core i5-7600 |
Motherboard | Asrock B450M P4 / Dell Q270 |
Cooling | IDCool SE-226-XT / Dell 65W |
Memory | 32GB 3200 CL16 / 32GB 2400 CL17 |
Video Card(s) | PNY 5070 / Pulse 6400 |
Storage | 4TB Team MP34 / 1TB WD SN550 |
Display(s) | LG 32GK650F 1440p 144Hz VA |
Case | Corsair 4000Air / Opti 7050 SFF |
Power Supply | EVGA 650 G3 / Dell 240W |
Yeah, you are right. "For laptops" - that's very true. But that size limitation with laptops is one of the primary reasons (besides screen size and a real mouse) I prefer PCs over laptops and why they aren't really "full size" keyboards.
If I have to scrunch my wrists together in a painful, awkward position and dig my elbows into my ribs just so I can approach the keyboard properly to avoid further carpel tunnel-inducing stress irritation, its not full size.
At least today's 15 - 17" laptop keyboards typically have "full size" keycaps. My first laptop way back in the day was a 13" (closer to 12.5) Dell with tiny keycaps. I don't have fat fingers but I sure fat-fingered text a lot while typing!![]()
System Name | Brightworks Systems BWS-6 E-IV |
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Processor | Intel Core i5-6600 @ 3.9GHz |
Motherboard | Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 Rev 1.0 |
Cooling | Quality Fractal Design Define R4 case, 2 x FD 140mm fans, CM Hyper 212 EVO HSF |
Memory | 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3000 Corsair Vengeance |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GEForce GTX 1050Ti 4Gb GDDR5 |
Storage | Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD, Samsung 860 Evo 500GB SSD |
Display(s) | Samsung S24E650BW LED x 2 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova 550W G2 Gold |
Mouse | Logitech M190 |
Keyboard | Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050 |
Software | W10 Pro 64-bit |
Huh? I'm not talking about key pitch. And sorry but you are incorrect to suggest they are the same across all boards. Note key pitch is typically defined by one of 2 ways.Laptops have the same key pitch as full size keyboards and have for decades.
According to OSHA guidelines for safe computing, keyboards should have a pitch (or horizontal spacing) of 18 to 19mm between key centers. Spacing between key rows should be 18 to 21mm.
With you on that point. It's also why I prefer 18"+ "laptop" models. I have always preferred portable desktop-like systems. Screen size and keyboard size are the main reasons.Yeah, you are right. "For laptops" - that's very true. But that size limitation with laptops is one of the primary reasons (besides screen size and a real mouse) I prefer PCs over laptops and why they aren't really "full size" keyboards.
System Name | schweinestalle1 and schweinestalle 2 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D / AMD Ryzen 3200G |
Motherboard | Asus Prime - Pro X570 + Asus PCI -E AC68 Adapter / Asus Prime B450 M-K |
Cooling | iD cooling frozen 620 / AMD Wraith |
Memory | Kingston HyperX 2 x 16 gb DDR 4 3200mhz / Kingston HyperX 2x 8Gb DDR 3200mhz |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT 16GB Pulse / AMD Reference Vega 64 8GB |
Storage | Crucial 1TB M.2 SSD and WD Blue 500gb Nand SSD / WD Blue 240gb M.2 SSD |
Display(s) | Asus XG 32 V ROG and LG ultra gear 32gs75q / TCL TV |
Case | Corsair AIR ATX / Corsair Air Mini ATX |
Audio Device(s) | Realtech standard / Realtech standard |
Power Supply | Corsair 850 Modular / Corsair 750 Modular |
Mouse | CM Havoc / Microsoft Wireless |
Keyboard | Corsair Cherry Mechanical / Razor piece of shit |
Software | Win 10 // Linux Mint / win 10 |
Benchmark Scores | Soon ! whateva |
System Name | The weirdo budget thingy |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 9700X |
Motherboard | ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 |
Cooling | Deepcool Gammaxx AG400 |
Memory | Crucial 32GB DDR5-5600 CL46 (JEDEC) |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon 610M |
Storage | WD SN5000 1TB + 240GB Crucial BX500 + about 900GB worth of random SATA SSDs |
Display(s) | Dell P2317H + repurposed Dell Latitude E6520 display (15" FHD IPS) |
Case | Cooler Master MB600L v2 |
Audio Device(s) | Sennheiser SP20 |
Power Supply | Cooler Master MWE 550 Gold v3 |
Mouse | Logitech M90 |
Keyboard | Logitech K120 |
VR HMD | N/A |
Software | Fedora 42/Windows 10 Enterprise IoT LTSC |
Benchmark Scores | coming soon! |
I would too, but frankly the type that leans towards phones probably doesn't visit this website anyway so it wouldn't show much difference.I would be fascinated to see the results correlated with the age of the responder.
Do I love random useless data? Yer dang right I do.
System Name | Brightworks Systems BWS-6 E-IV |
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Processor | Intel Core i5-6600 @ 3.9GHz |
Motherboard | Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 Rev 1.0 |
Cooling | Quality Fractal Design Define R4 case, 2 x FD 140mm fans, CM Hyper 212 EVO HSF |
Memory | 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3000 Corsair Vengeance |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GEForce GTX 1050Ti 4Gb GDDR5 |
Storage | Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD, Samsung 860 Evo 500GB SSD |
Display(s) | Samsung S24E650BW LED x 2 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova 550W G2 Gold |
Mouse | Logitech M190 |
Keyboard | Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050 |
Software | W10 Pro 64-bit |
I agree but suspect not many road warriors, as in people who have to lug their laptops (and chargers and perhaps external drive and extra battery) around everyday, would appreciate the extra weight and size.It's also why I prefer 18"+ "laptop" models.
System Name | The weirdo budget thingy |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 9700X |
Motherboard | ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 |
Cooling | Deepcool Gammaxx AG400 |
Memory | Crucial 32GB DDR5-5600 CL46 (JEDEC) |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon 610M |
Storage | WD SN5000 1TB + 240GB Crucial BX500 + about 900GB worth of random SATA SSDs |
Display(s) | Dell P2317H + repurposed Dell Latitude E6520 display (15" FHD IPS) |
Case | Cooler Master MB600L v2 |
Audio Device(s) | Sennheiser SP20 |
Power Supply | Cooler Master MWE 550 Gold v3 |
Mouse | Logitech M90 |
Keyboard | Logitech K120 |
VR HMD | N/A |
Software | Fedora 42/Windows 10 Enterprise IoT LTSC |
Benchmark Scores | coming soon! |
The worst part of that is that ITX would work pretty well for all 16:10 laptops bigger then about 14 inches (if you get rid of the most of the time fairly useless VRM heatsinks), yet it will never happen because the average user just wants their thinness. As for batteries, I wouldn't really mind proprietary ones as long as they're like the old ones with 18650s inside, and they made the 18650s swappable.Imagine what the self-build laptop environment would be like if all laptop batteries were of just 1 or 2 shapes and sizes and used the same connectors. And if all laptop motherboards were the same shape and size, as well as keyboards, and in particular, cases. Imagine the user having the option to swap in a different motherboard, knowing it will fit the case and connect to the battery/charger (physically and electrically).
System Name | schweinestalle1 and schweinestalle 2 |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D / AMD Ryzen 3200G |
Motherboard | Asus Prime - Pro X570 + Asus PCI -E AC68 Adapter / Asus Prime B450 M-K |
Cooling | iD cooling frozen 620 / AMD Wraith |
Memory | Kingston HyperX 2 x 16 gb DDR 4 3200mhz / Kingston HyperX 2x 8Gb DDR 3200mhz |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon RX 7800 XT 16GB Pulse / AMD Reference Vega 64 8GB |
Storage | Crucial 1TB M.2 SSD and WD Blue 500gb Nand SSD / WD Blue 240gb M.2 SSD |
Display(s) | Asus XG 32 V ROG and LG ultra gear 32gs75q / TCL TV |
Case | Corsair AIR ATX / Corsair Air Mini ATX |
Audio Device(s) | Realtech standard / Realtech standard |
Power Supply | Corsair 850 Modular / Corsair 750 Modular |
Mouse | CM Havoc / Microsoft Wireless |
Keyboard | Corsair Cherry Mechanical / Razor piece of shit |
Software | Win 10 // Linux Mint / win 10 |
Benchmark Scores | Soon ! whateva |
i dont do social media At AllI voted phones.
I don't do social media so this is my obsessive scrolling.
I use PC as well if I happen to be at one.
System Name | Brightworks Systems BWS-6 E-IV |
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Processor | Intel Core i5-6600 @ 3.9GHz |
Motherboard | Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 Rev 1.0 |
Cooling | Quality Fractal Design Define R4 case, 2 x FD 140mm fans, CM Hyper 212 EVO HSF |
Memory | 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3000 Corsair Vengeance |
Video Card(s) | EVGA GEForce GTX 1050Ti 4Gb GDDR5 |
Storage | Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD, Samsung 860 Evo 500GB SSD |
Display(s) | Samsung S24E650BW LED x 2 |
Case | Fractal Design Define R4 |
Power Supply | EVGA Supernova 550W G2 Gold |
Mouse | Logitech M190 |
Keyboard | Microsoft Wireless Comfort 5050 |
Software | W10 Pro 64-bit |
I would and do. Wouldn't it be nice if you could pull the battery from your Dell and stick it in your HP and know it will physically fit, use the came connectors and supply the same standard voltage? Then pull it out of the HP and stick it in your self-built laptop's standard case?As for batteries, I wouldn't really mind proprietary ones
System Name | XPS, Lenovo and HP Laptops, HP Xeon Mobile Workstation, HP Servers, Dell Desktops |
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Processor | Everything from Turion to 13900kf |
Motherboard | MSI - they own the OEM market |
Cooling | Air on laptops, lots of air on servers, AIO on desktops |
Memory | I think one of the laptops is 2GB, to 64GB on gamer, to 128GB on ZFS Filer |
Video Card(s) | A pile up to my knee, with a RTX 4090 teetering on top |
Storage | Rust in the closet, solid state everywhere else |
Display(s) | Laptop crap, LG UltraGear of various vintages |
Case | OEM and a 42U rack |
Audio Device(s) | Headphones |
Power Supply | Whole home UPS w/Generac Standby Generator |
Software | ZFS, UniFi Network Application, Entra, AWS IoT Core, Splunk |
Benchmark Scores | 1.21 GigaBungholioMarks |
System Name | Dubajski Wyjec (Dubai Howler) |
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Processor | AMD ryzen 5700X |
Motherboard | MSI B550-A "pro" |
Cooling | Noctua NH D15 G2 |
Memory | 2x16gb corsair venegance |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte Gaming OC 9070 XT |
Storage | 500 gb 970 evo plus, Kingstone 2tb fury renegade |
Display(s) | IIyama Prolite XUB3493WQSU |
Case | Lian Li Lancool207 |
Audio Device(s) | Integrated |
Power Supply | Super Flower Leadex VII Gold 1000W (SF-1000F14XG) |
Mouse | SteelSeries Rival 100 |
Keyboard | Motospeed ck104 |
VR HMD | HTC vive pro |
Software | Windows 10 ltsc, unfortunatelly widescreen is better in win -.- |
System Name | The weirdo budget thingy |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 9700X |
Motherboard | ASRock B650M-HDV/M.2 |
Cooling | Deepcool Gammaxx AG400 |
Memory | Crucial 32GB DDR5-5600 CL46 (JEDEC) |
Video Card(s) | AMD Radeon 610M |
Storage | WD SN5000 1TB + 240GB Crucial BX500 + about 900GB worth of random SATA SSDs |
Display(s) | Dell P2317H + repurposed Dell Latitude E6520 display (15" FHD IPS) |
Case | Cooler Master MB600L v2 |
Audio Device(s) | Sennheiser SP20 |
Power Supply | Cooler Master MWE 550 Gold v3 |
Mouse | Logitech M90 |
Keyboard | Logitech K120 |
VR HMD | N/A |
Software | Fedora 42/Windows 10 Enterprise IoT LTSC |
Benchmark Scores | coming soon! |
I agree, but that severely limits the options for form factor. I do agree with having a standard voltage and connectors, though.I would and do. Wouldn't it be nice if you could pull the battery from your Dell and stick it in your HP and know it will physically fit, use the came connectors and supply the same standard voltage? Then pull it out of the HP and stick it in your self-built laptop's standard case?
Proprietary simply means fewer options at a higher cost.