How many games do not support DX10?

[imperialreign]

It isn't. If ATI is slating R800 for 2009 and that it supports the next major update to the DirectX specifications, were just an year or so away from the next DirectX. By now DX 10 SM 4.0 should have had its roots spread. It's like telling a 22 yr old he's too young to go to work.

well, we've had DX10 capable hardware for a while now, we just haven't seen good DX10 implimentation in any games yet . . . at least, I can't think of any games that are DX10 only . . .

 

[intel igent]

enough for me not to upgrade

 

[farlex85]

enough for me not to upgrade

Its kind of backwards though. Its b/c you (and others of course) won't upgrade (os) that we don't have more dx10 games.

 

[A Cheese Danish]

Supreme Commander and Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance do not

 

[btarunr]

well, we've had DX10 capable hardware for a while now, we just haven't seen good DX10 implimentation in any games yet . . . at least, I can't think of any games that are DX10 only . . .

Yes, goes on to show it's a failure on the game developers' part. They fear of what games such as Doom 3 and Crysis went though. Both were games that supported the latest hardware but sucked on current hardware (hardware that was 'current' when they released) and hence led to the fall in sales. A DX10-only game will suffer because then it also has to be a "Vista-only" game since there's no point in XP users running it.

As of now, the VALVe user machine survey says:

http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html

Which sane developer wouldn't fear that? No wait there is such a developer, Remedy, creators of Alan Wake that's a Vista-only game, which MSGS is trying hard to delay until Vista spreads more.

Remember how Doom 3 was a DX9-only game? The game simply didn't support any non-DX9 GPU except maybe GeForce3/4 MX/Ti , on which it anyway sucked.

 

[EastCoasthandle]

Dx10 seems to be having trouble getting support b/c it was made vista-only, and so many people are clinging to xp, and will complain if a major title becomes dx10 natively or only. Lot of complaining. It appears Dx10 may be moved over or revised most likely w/ the next os. Dissapointing to me, I was hoping many of the upcoming games I've been looking forward to would be dx10 native. It looks, however, like that will not be the case.

BTW its a little silly to have this list, a better one would be to compile a list that does have dx10, as they are far fewer in number.

If I did that we wouldn't know what games didn't support DX10.

Dx10 seems to be having trouble getting support b/c it was made vista-only, and so many people are clinging to xp

This statement alone contradicts why you think it's silly. This may be part of the reason why we have so many titles support DX9 natively. By your own statement, to ignore the power in the NUMBER of customers who refuse to support DX10 (Vista) is silly to me.

 

[farlex85]

This statement alone contradicts why you think it's silly. This may be part of the reason why we have so many titles support DX9 natively. By your own statement, to ignore the power in the NUMBER of customers who refuse to support DX10 (Vista) is silly to me.

It doesn't contradict it. I'm just saying when making a list of this sort, it is far more effective to compile a list of the condition with the lesser number, making a far easier group. We could go on forever with games that don't support it, even within the last year, there are hundreds. That it's silly is in no way related to the argument of whether or not the developer's should ignore the majority, which is not even an argument I was making.

 

[imperialreign]

Yes, goes on to show it's a failure on the game developers' part. They fear of what games such as Doom 3 and Crysis went though. Both were games that supported the latest hardware but sucked on current hardware (hardware that was 'current' when they released) and hence led to the fall in sales. A DX10-only game will suffer because then it also has to be a "Vista-only" game since there's no point in XP users running it.

As of now, the VALVe user machine survey says:

http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html

Which sane developer wouldn't fear that? No wait there is such a developer, Remedy, creators of Alan Wake that's a Vista-only game, which MSGS is trying hard to delay until Vista spreads more.

Remember how Doom 3 was a DX9-only game? The game simply didn't support any non-DX9 GPU except maybe GeForce3/4 MX/Ti , on which it anyway sucked.

it entirelly makes sense . . . I'd like to see game devs grow some ballz though. If they start making more DX10 games, users wouldn't have a choice but to upgrade if they want to play it or not. Hell, I can think of one DX10 game that's already getting me to consider Vista (STALKER Clear Sky).]

But, as that graph shows, no one want's to move up. The way people are holding out with XP, it's quite possible MS would be pressured into porting DX10 support to XP (IIRC, some haxurz already proved it could be done) . . . and with MS extending retail XP support for so many more years . . .

 

[EastCoasthandle]

It doesn't contradict it. I'm just saying when making a list of this sort, it is far more effective to compile a list of the condition with the lesser number, making a far easier group. We could go on forever with games that don't support it, even within the last year, there are hundreds. That it's silly is in no way related to the argument of whether or not the developer's should ignore the majority, which is not even an argument I was making.

I can only say we agree to disagree. With the number of games posted in this thread we can see how well DX10 development has been accepted in the PC gaming community. This bit of information, IMO can/will help those formulate an opinion as to how well DX10 is accepted.

 

[AphexDreamer]

Might be a little to late here, but I thought that in BioShock You could enable the water to use DX10 Shaders? Also I do beileve that Allen Wake is supposed to be released in DX10.

 

[Darknova]

Who said it was an overhaul in graphics compared to say DX8 vs DX9. It adds in features that DX9 does not support.

DX10 IS an overhaul. It's a totally different architecture. DX10 isn't compatible with any other DX that's been made.

The reason DX10 performs so poorly is just that, it's completely incompatible, so the current graphics hardwares are having to have an architecture compatible with both DX9 and DX10, but mainly DX9. so it's kind of like Crysis being a DX9 engine with DX10 touch-ups added on, it performs horribly and brings nothing to the table, not because DX10 is shit, but because it's totally incompatible.

 

[intel igent]

Its kind of backwards though. Its b/c you (and others of course) won't upgrade (os) that we don't have more dx10 games.

why should i upgrade? because YOU say i should? get real.

don't be a corporate mule

 

[ShadowFold]

Im not upgrading because there arent enough! Thats like releasing a console with no games at launch then a year later there are like 5 games!

 

[OzzmanFloyd120]

Im not upgrading because there arent enough! Thats like releasing a console with no games at launch then a year later there are like 5 games!

Are you talking about the PS3?

 

[ShadowFold]

No Vista, but I guess it could be compared to the ps3 lol

 

[imperialreign]

DX10 IS an overhaul. It's a totally different architecture. DX10 isn't compatible with any other DX that's been made.

The reason DX10 performs so poorly is just that, it's completely incompatible, so the current graphics hardwares are having to have an architecture compatible with both DX9 and DX10, but mainly DX9. so it's kind of like Crysis being a DX9 engine with DX10 touch-ups added on, it performs horribly and brings nothing to the table, not because DX10 is shit, but because it's totally incompatible.

true, though DX10 is rough, but that's what DX10.1 was supposed to address was the way it's handled.

But, we've seen where DX10.1 support went thanks to a couple of specific companies; it's a shame there's only been one hardware manufacturer to support it, and so far only one game that kinda supports it.

 

[farlex85]

why should i upgrade? because YOU say i should? get real.

don't be a corporate mule

No you should upgrade so you can enjoy new technology. Its the computer business. You can call it what you want, I want the best (I can afford anyway).

 

[farlex85]

I can only say we agree to disagree. With the number of games posted in this thread we can see how well DX10 development has been accepted in the PC gaming community. This bit of information, IMO can/will help those formulate an opinion as to how well DX10 is accepted.

Well, I know what your going for, and that's up to you Mr. Op. You could, however, simply go to gamespot, ign, whatever and simply list off all the games released over the last year, aside from the few that support dx10. Natively, there hasn't been a single game to support it, so you could list all of them. Quite a long list indeed.........

 

[intel igent]

No you should upgrade so you can enjoy new technology

i'm perfectly satisfied with the performance of my PC

i'm not a mule, i have my OWN idea's + thought's thnx

down with the system!

hasta la victoria per siempre!

 

[farlex85]

i'm perfectly satisfied with the performance of my PC

i'm not a mule, i have my OWN idea's + thought's thnx

down with the system!

hasta la victoria per siempre!

Ok sure, you are happy w/ your own system, good. I'm happy w/ mine too, and am subject to my own thoughts as well. A fact of the computer business is that one must upgrade frequently if they want the latest technology, which improves quickly. If you don't want to that's fine, I'm not sure what your fighting, capitalism? It doesn't make someone a coporate mule, as you so eloquently put it, to upgrade to enjoy the latest and greatest though.

We are all slaves to the dollar, if you think you are exempt you are sorely mistaken (unless of course you are completely self-sufficient)....

 

[intel igent]

unfortunately i am a partial slave but that DOES NOT mean i have to accept it

 

[farlex85]

unfortunately i am a partial slave but that DOES NOT mean i have to accept it

Indeed.

 

[intel igent]

Indeed.

 

[imperialreign]

toast chain!

Indeed.

 

[OzzmanFloyd120]

toast chain!