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Intel 14-nanometer Skylake Platform To Support DDR4, PCIe 4.0, SATA Express

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Intel's first chips based on the company's new, and Industry first, 14-nanometer manufacturing process are expected to hit markets in late 2015. With Skylake, Intel will introduce their new 9th-generation Intel HD IGP. The new platform will be the first to bring dual-channel DDR4 memory support. Skylake won't be the first platform to support DDR4 memory. In the 2H of 2014, Intel will launch their enthusiast grade Haswell-E platform, with support for quad-channel DDR4 memory. Skylake will be more of an evolution of Broadwell, which in turn is essentially an die shrink of Haswell to 14nm.

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PCiE 4.0 already? I just barely see the benefit of PCIE 3.0 over the 2.0
 
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We don't even have Videocards that fully use PCI-E 2.0 right?
 
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Well PCIe 3.0 is an improvement over 2.0 not only because of raw bandwidth, it also has a better encoding 8b/10b if I do remember well.

Anyway Intel is increasing PCIe bandwidth on their mainstream platform instead of increasing PCIe lane count.

Also AVX 3.2 lol.
 
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Well expected intel to DDR4 when they re-up the socket on skylake, but the cpu is around 3 year away due to intel having issues with 14nm boardwell tech atm.
 

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Well expected intel to DDR4 when they re-up the socket on skylake, but the cpu is around 3 year away due to intel having issues with 14nm boardwell tech atm.
Yeah. Word is Broadwell might get a skip altogether
 
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PCIE 3.0 doesn't bring much to the table when talking about graphics cards. But RAID cards or video capture cards can take advantage of it.

Despite that, having more lanes would be much more useful. Putting 48 lanes on the desktop and 96 lanes on the enthusiast/server platforms should be the standard, avoiding all those multiplexers and connecting 4-Way SLI systems with GPUs on different processors communicating through a QPI bus.
 
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JEEZ Intel... eoy 2015 ?!

I wonder if my aging system will last till then. I really don't want to upgrade to Hasbeen/Haswell. I was hoping for 14nm to get here sooner.
 
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This is the E-platform just so you guys know.
 
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Even though this may seem to early, I have found that I shouldn't get surprised when new tech comes out like this. The benefits will be worth it...
 
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late 2015? OMG soo late:cry:
 
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So I've got 2+ years to save up for a system that's worth upgrading to. That's fine, I have a decent Ivy system that should be good for that long. At least it will make sense, with SATA Express, PCIe 4.0, and DDR4. The CPU isn't the bottleneck, so it doesn't matter to the average user if each new generation is only 5-10% faster, storage is the bottleneck. The 6 GB/s limit is what's holding us back at the moment. SATA Express will open up a new generation of fast SSDs, and the 4K monitor race will be on to fulfill the potential of PCIe 4.0
 
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It's laughable how gullible PC enthusiasts can be...

There is absolutely no need for or advantage to having DDR4 and PCIe 4 on a current model desktop regardless of what CPU/APU it has. DDR4 is primarily for server use. It will be expensive, impractical for most desktop PCs and not offer any real advantage over LV DDR3 on the desktop.

PCIe 3.0 isn't even being widely used yet because PCIe 2.1 isn't a system limitation. More bandwidth on a system that isn't bandwidth limited makes no system performance gain.

All of this crap is marketing hype to try and boost sagging PC sales. It doesn't cost mobo makers more than a few pennies if that to use future standards that offer no real system performance gains. This allows the mobo makers to hype the future tech, charge even more excessive prices and the sheeple will spend their money like drunken sailors.
 
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We don't even have Videocards that fully use PCI-E 2.0 right?
Dual GPU cards or power hungry Teslas can fill even the PCI-E 3.0 bus ;)
 
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It's laughable how gullible PC enthusiasts can be...

There is absolutely no need for or advantage to having DDR4 and PCIe 4 on a current model desktop regardless of what CPU/APU it has. DDR4 is primarily for server use. It will be expensive, impractical for most desktop PCs and not offer any real advantage over LV DDR3 on the desktop.

PCIe 3.0 isn't even being widely used yet because PCIe 2.1 isn't a system limitation. More bandwidth on a system that isn't bandwidth limited makes no system performance gain.

All of this crap is marketing hype to try and boost sagging PC sales. It doesn't cost mobo makers more than a few pennies if that to use future standards that offer no real system performance gains. This allows the mobo makers to hype the future tech, charge even more excessive prices and the sheeple will spend their money like drunken sailors.
Why so negative? A few things I just realized:

1) They said the same thing about DDR3 when DDR2 was the norm. I'm always an advocate for lower voltage memory if it's reasonable for consumers. Of course it starts off expensive, but what new hardware doesn't? Let them push it so that some time will go by without much demand, driving prices lower and lower.

2) PCI-E standards will always be way ahead of it's maximum usage. I noticed this since they came out with PCI-E 1.0. Case and point being that when GPU specs finally support a PCI-E standard, the PCI-E version has been widely available for like 6 months or something like that.

3) Embrace smaller, faster, more efficient tech. It's the only way things will evolve and not stay in a stale and rancid state. Then developers will find a need to create new programs/update existing programs in order to take advantage of the hardware that will eventually drive it.

4) SATA Express, now there's something I can't wait to see. Storage, the biggest bottleneck in desktop computing.

However, I do agree with you to some degree that a lot of this is marketing hype in order to get consumers to bite when new features are introduced is a bit like stealing candy from a baby. But at least we know enough not to fall into that trap....I think :laugh:
 
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In 2H of 2014...
Good work. You confused me good. I presume, you used Google Translate for this?.

Fix it, please. Make it 2nd at least.
 

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Good work. You confused me good. I presume, you used Google Translate for this?.

Fix it, please. Make it 2nd at least.
Thats been abbreviated like that since ever. 2H, Q4 etc are all common abbreviations.
 
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Thanks, happi, you saved me from posting pretty much the same thing. My point was that if you wait a couple years (skip Haswell & Broadwell), at least you'll get new connectivity standards and bus speeds, instead of incremental versions of the same old hardware. CPU and RAM speeds are already fast enough, the new SATA standard is where it's at. And as you said the devs will fill the gap and a new generation of hardware will seem necesary.
 
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Yeah. Word is Broadwell might get a skip altogether
Unlikely, Intel is so far ahead they can still put it out and take their time to work out issues. AMD is years behind when comparing cpu performance vs power consumption.
 
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This was promised late in 2015 that's about 3 years away, so keep that in mind. By then Maxwell and the "Hawaiian Island's" would have probably come and gone and their replacements would be available. I think your opinion will change by then.
Honestly I got it out for new standerds, and yes while they seem not needed and incremental in changes they have greater potential in the evolution towards the "Tech of Tommorrow" :rockout:
 
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Anyway Intel is increasing PCIe bandwidth on their mainstream platform instead of increasing PCIe lane count.
Despite that, having more lanes would be much more useful. Putting 48 lanes on the desktop and 96 lanes on the enthusiast/server platforms should be the standard, avoiding all those multiplexers and connecting 4-Way SLI systems with GPUs on different processors communicating through a QPI bus.
My guess is that Intel is doing this on purpose just to have one more selling point for the X79 platform.
Even the 990FX platform dating from 2011 has 38 lanes, where as the Z87 platform has only 24 :banghead: