intel 1700 with high speed ram,memory

[gasolin]

My specs are up to date Please check my specs

 

[iameatingjam]

Oh I see my mistake, that overkill cooler explains it.

 

[biffzinker]

With four 16 GB sticks a mix of old and new Micron ICs I can get 5866 34-42-42-76 1.25v. Taking out the older sticks, and leaving the 5600 sticks easily go to 6600 without touching the stock 1.1v.

Something about the four sticks installed improves bandwidth efficiency, and it gets close to 93,644 GB/s unlike with two sticks. It’s not exactly 5866 when you look at the clock speed because of spread spectrum always enabled.

 

[gasolin]

I want to go higher 4000mhz cl 18 or 4400mhz cl 19 anything better,faster would be to expensive

Now my specs are up to date

 

[biffzinker]

I want to go higher 4000mhz cl 18 or 4400mhz cl 19 anything better,faster would be to expensive

That depends on the board, and the IMC.

 

[gasolin]

cl 16 at these speeds are just to expensive

 

[iameatingjam]

What are you trying to achieve? Is this just an experiment? For its own sake or something? Cause you're not going to gain much in real life performance. I'm not saying don't do it... I know chasing numbers can be fun. Just making sure you know not much is going to change outside of benchmarks, unless you are specifically doing some memory intensive work, and even then its not a certainty. You are getting pretty far past diminishing returns with ddr4.

3600mhz cl 16 is more than enough. DDR5 would make a difference, but not worth getting a new mobo for in your case, unless you want to also get higher end cpu and whatnot. 14100 with that cooler will be a good value grade gaming cpu. Probably the best 4 core out there, at least that I can think of. And your ram is fine as is.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

cl 16 at these speeds are just to expensive

Just go for the 4400mhz RAM and be done with the search.

 

[Konomi]

Are you manually tuning or just simply setting XMP? If you're just setting XMP, there's no need to venture outside of the sweet spot for your platform as that'll give you the best cost, performance and least amount of headaches.

 

[gasolin]

I don't manually tune

 

[Dr. Dro]

DDR4's optimal point is and will remain 3600 C16. With a i5-13600KF CPU (not exactly a hand picked bin there) and a cheap 4 DIMM DDR4 Z690, that's about your wall, too. Getting it any higher, if at all achievable (I wouldn't count on it), would require equal parts luck and labor, it won't be easy and you're square into rapidly diminishing territory.

Just enjoy your PC, if you need anything more, you will need better hardware.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

DDR4's optimal point is and will remain 3600 C16. With a i5-13600KF CPU (not exactly a hand picked bin there) and a cheap 4 DIMM DDR4 Z690, that's about your wall, too. Getting it any higher, if at all achievable (I wouldn't count on it), would require equal parts luck and labor, it won't be easy and you're square into rapidly diminishing territory.

Just enjoy your PC, if you need anything more, you will need better hardware.

You must be mistaken?
DDR4 on Intel since 8th gen has been 4000mt/s Optimally untuned. 3600mt/s on AM4 for sure.

Ideally, OP would want/need a decent set of B-Die for optimal performance really. Even the 3600mt/s CL16 kits OC 4000mt/s quite easily.

The board is a decent upper mid range with 5333mt/s OC support. I asked earlier to be sure without going and looking it up. In his sig too. Or sys specs... w/e.

And LGA1700 is optimal on DDR5, and under-dog on DDR4.

We may read here from our wonderful TPU site, says up to 20% performance difference. Maybe not worth selling motherboards and buying new motherboards for OP, but my point only being DDR4 is not optimal for Raptor Lake processors.

DDR5 Memory Boosts Intel Raptor Lake Performance by up to 20% Compared to DDR4

As we approach the launch of Intel's upcoming Raptor Lake desktop processors, we are getting more leaks of testing performed by system integrators and 3rd parties that have early access to the engineering sample (ES) chips. A few days ago, we saw an Intel Core i7-13700K CPU run Geekbench 5...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Dr. Dro]

You must be mistaken?
DDR4 on Intel since 8th gen has been 4000mt/s Optimally untuned. 3600mt/s on AM4 for sure.

Ideally, OP would want/need a decent set of B-Die for optimal performance really. Even the 3600mt/s CL16 kits OC 4000mt/s quite easily.

The board is a decent upper mid range with 5333mt/s OC support. I asked earlier to be sure without going and looking it up. In his sig too. Or sys specs... w/e.

And LGA1700 is optimal on DDR5, and under-dog on DDR4.

We may read here from our wonderful TPU site, says up to 20% performance difference. Maybe not worth selling motherboards and buying new motherboards for OP, but my point only being DDR4 is not optimal for Raptor Lake processors.

DDR5 Memory Boosts Intel Raptor Lake Performance by up to 20% Compared to DDR4

As we approach the launch of Intel's upcoming Raptor Lake desktop processors, we are getting more leaks of testing performed by system integrators and 3rd parties that have early access to the engineering sample (ES) chips. A few days ago, we saw an Intel Core i7-13700K CPU run Geekbench 5...

www.techpowerup.com

4000 kits are comparably expensive and there's a theoretical 10% in bandwidth, actual gains on the range of 5-7%, accounting for price/perf it's totally not worth it. I hesitate a bit to call that upper-mid or even midrange, but I guess they didn't make any high end DDR4 board

 

[ShrimpBrime]

4000 kits are comparably expensive and there's a theoretical 10% in bandwidth, actual gains on the range of 5-7%, accounting for price/perf it's totally not worth it. I hesitate a bit to call that upper-mid or even midrange, but I guess they didn't make any high end DDR4 board

Well, sure. Gaming just simply can be the only form of measurement for most people. I've already given solid data earlier in the thread with a benchmark that is highly sensitive to memory adjustments.

But may not be so important to certain types of loads that don't require much cpu/memory bandwidth.

Having plenty of experience with benchmarking and taking measurements, I'll say the experience with just general computing is pretty well improved and noticeable. Average frame rates are higher on DDR5. Using Raptor Lake specifically for 3D benchmarking. And also 2D. Many of my DDR4 submission on a Z690 where taken out by a DDR5 B660 board. And this experience was both with 2D and 3D benchmarks.

The bummer for OP is that the general public consensus is that DDR4 is good enough for computing. We've heard this statement since DDR1. Bandwidth is usually a 50% jump between each generation.

The old school saying, there's no replacement for displacement. Like small block vs big block. Sure, 5.3L can be fast, but I'd rather have the 8.0L.

 

[arbiter]

1700 intels do seem to like more memory speed in some work load's in case of 7zip test shows but not everything it benefits.

 

[gasolin]

Have seen video's

ddr4 is okay only some games ddr5 is alot faster, would you notice it in daily use, i don't think so

Have no idea how 1% and 0.1% lows are https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-12900k-alder-lake-ddr4-vs-ddr5/5.html

2 about equally fast gpus, one being amd the other nvidia, i hardly doubt you can feel which card,pc is wich

Even with 3600mhz cl16 my pc is smooth, for under 100 euros you can get 4000mhz cl 18 and 4400 mhz cl 19 that an okay price

I didn't get an answer not worth it with a 14100f (slow cpu), i now use a 13600kf

Might get 100 euros for my current mb only a couple of z mb's under 200 euros

Asrock Z690 Phantom Gaming 4 / D5, Asrock Z790 PG Lightning 200 ish euro

Knock on wood my pc is stable and smooth but 3600mhz cl 16 is just in middle of the road

My old pc intel pc running 4000mhz https://valid.x86.fr/v44cru

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Have seen video's

ddr4 is okay only some games ddr5 is alot faster, would you notice it in daily use, i don't think so

Have no idea how 1% and 0.1% lows are https://www.techpowerup.com/review/intel-core-i9-12900k-alder-lake-ddr4-vs-ddr5/5.html

2 about equally fast gpus, one being amd the other nvidia, i hardly doubt you can feel which card,pc is wich

Even with 3600mhz cl16 my pc is smooth, for under 100 euros you can get 4000mhz cl 18 and 4400 mhz cl 19 that an okay price

I didn't get an answer not worth it with a 14100f (slow cpu), i now use a 13600kf

Might get 100 euros for my current mb only a couple of z mb's under 200 euros

Asrock Z690 Phantom Gaming 4 / D5, Asrock Z790 PG Lightning 200 ish euro

Knock on wood my pc is stable and smooth but 3600mhz cl 16 is just in middle of the road

My old pc intel pc running 4000mhz https://valid.x86.fr/v44cru

If everything you say holds true, you'd just stuck with the 11th gen setup and slap a big GPU in and call it a day. But when the 12400F on a proper board simply slap the shit out of it, I see why you made the jump.

I have 14100F here? What answer did you need? It's faster on ddr5, just like the rest of Intels processors. The cpu is just a low power processor. Nothing special. No OC. Only do 6400mt/s on ddr5 any ways. Probably not 4000mts on ddr4 either. Has locked Vccsa.

Just grab the 4400mt/s kit within your price range. Probably post right up.

 

[gasolin]

Daam it's hard to find high speed DDR4 memory for under 120 euros,. that is stock

I would have gotten 4600mhz if i could find one in stock

G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4 32GB kit 4400MHz cl19 it was, just under 100 euros

 

[ir_cow]

Above 4000 is will run in Gear2 Mode. Defeats the purpose of faster DDR4.

 

[iameatingjam]

Daam it's hard to find high speed memory for under 120 euros,. that is stock

I would have gotten 4600mhz if i could find one in stock

G.Skill Ripjaws V DDR4 32GB kit 4400MHz cl19 it was, just under 100 euros

What are you trying to accomplish? 3600 cl16 is a good sweet spot. Going beyond that is past the point of diminishing returns and could require making compromises that make the whole endeavour pointless, as ircow is trying to tell you.

 

[InVasMani]

There is a sweet spot on what you pay versus what you get for that money is what people are trying to convey and illustrate.

 

[gasolin]

I can run it at lower speeds if i need to

I don't oc my cpu do to power consumption and heat and it was my intention to get a ddr 5 mb

My mb is stable and it was cheap, flawless knock on wood but not ddr5 memory which sometime has better 0.1% and 1% lows

I bought faster memory so performance can be a little better (how much it will be with my setup i don't know) i didn't get a ddr5 mb but i can still get faster ddr 4 memory for under 100 euros (minus what i can get for my current memory, hoping for 60 euros) to get most out of what i have

Im also interested in knowing if it can run with 4400mhz memory gear 1 (14 days rteturn period) , max is still 5333mhz

My current memory is not on the official list but works as they should, mentally it's also nice to have high speed memory even when the performance don't go up as mucha as the mhz increase

I just don't want to go thru the hassle of upgrading to ddr 5, faster memory is less hassle and time consuming

There is a sweet spot on what you pay versus what you get for that money is what people are trying to convey and illustrate.

High speed ddr4 memory is still under 100 euros

if i wanted to i could get 32gb 46000mhz cl 20 for under 130 euros

 

[ir_cow]

5333 will never happen unless it's. 2slot MB. Also a really nice IMC and a ton of extra voltage.

Booting does not mean stable, though I doubt it would even boot.

But with a locked SA voltage from using a Non-K CPU, my guess is you will land in the 3200-3600 range for single rank memory. Gear 2, I don't know. Unless you running 5000+, 3600 will be better for latency.

My lazy ass doesn't care to check lol.

 

[Dr. Dro]

5333 will never happen unless it's. 2slot MB. Also a really nice IMC and a ton of extra voltage.

Booting does not mean stable, though I doubt it would even boot.

But with a locked SA voltage from using a Non-K CPU, my guess is you will land in the 3200-3600 range for single rank memory. Gear 2, I don't know. Unless you running 5000+, 3600 will be better for latency.

My lazy ass doesn't care to check lol.

OP's got a K now, a... 13600KF. Who's gonna tell them...

I can run it at lower speeds if i need to

I don't oc my cpu do to power consumption and heat and it was my intention to get a ddr 5 mb

My mb is stable and it was cheap, flawless knock on wood but not ddr5 memory which sometime has better 0.1% and 1% lows

I bought faster memory so performance can be a little better (how much it will be with my setup i don't know) i didn't get a ddr5 mb but i can still get faster ddr 4 memory for under 100 euros (minus what i can get for my current memory, hoping for 60 euros) to get most out of what i have

Im also interested in knowing if it can run with 4400mhz memory gear 1 (14 days rteturn period) , max is still 5333mhz

My current memory is not on the official list but works as they should, mentally it's also nice to have high speed memory even when the performance don't go up as mucha as the mhz increase

I just don't want to go thru the hassle of upgrading to ddr 5, faster memory is less hassle and time consuming

High speed ddr4 memory is still under 100 euros

if i wanted to i could get 32gb 46000mhz cl 20 for under 130 euros

Time for a reality check? A ultra high end 4600 MT/s DDR4 kit is absolutely worthless for a Z690 PG Riptide/D4. That's the kind of kit you run on a Maximus XIII Apex alongside a i9-11900K. Preferably one with a particularly good MC. If you think upgrading to DDR5 is a hassle, then it's not buying exotic hardware designed for XOC motherboards (which yours is not) paired with high quality CPUs (which again, yours is not) that is going to be "easy". You read 5333 MT/s on the motherboard's marketing material and think it's gonna run that?

 

[ir_cow]

@Dr. Dro does any Socket 1700 DDR4 MB officially support 5333?

I was lucky to get the MSI MEG Z790 Tomahawk to run 5033. Lots of voltage