Intel Core i5-11400F

[Vanny]

Come on guys, the 5600X is a next gen CPU (that is the most power efficient CPU ever also), the 11400f has zero gaming improvement vs the 10400f. The same people that tell everyone to spend $100 more of the K series are now attacking the 5600X, bizarre. The 5600X is the best and has a price to match. AMD's turbo is much more accurate, my 5600X runs at 4.85Ghz all the time with a free PBO, my 11500 gets 4.3Ghz at best for the most part. There's a pretty big gap. Since in Canada for example you save $100 on the motherboard not needing to pay for a Z board, the 5600X is still the best overall CPU. I can build 5600X plus B550 for much less money than 11600k plus Z590.

While the 5600X is a fine CPU it is 1. overpriced for a 6 core in 2021 and 2. barely in stock since AMD can't handle availability

 

[Searing]

Wrong.


Meanwhile ...

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-11400f-core-i5-11th-gen/p/N82E16819118264?Item=N82E16819118264
Intel Core i5-11400F $159.99

https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-3600/p/N82E16819113569
AMD RYZEN 5 3600 $224.99

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AMD Ryzen 5 5600X $299.99

Wrong. Every time you see this, and then people must wonder why everyone wants the 5600X instead. Let me enlighten.

The 5600X is the best, period. Just like the 8700k was more expensive than the 1600.

I built two computers, one is $800 USD with an i5-11500. One is $900 with the 5600X. See how that works? Anyways not going to argue more, but the 11500 machine is going to be sold off. The number of BIOS bugs is unprecedented for an Intel machine, and Intel XE is FULL of bugs including website rendering having artifacts, and black screening on youtube videos. I'd kill for a 5600G right now. Sure saving $100 was nice, but I bought it before reviews and the fact that it isn't even 1 percent faster than last gen in gaming doesn't impress, I was expecting much more. Also hit 100 degrees constantly with the stock cooler (and I thought the black cooler would be neat but the fan bearing is loud, just like AMD) so I didn't even save money on the cooler which was the point. Combine that with lacking XE graphics and nobody would want it later.

Would you pay $900 for a 5600X machine or $800 for an 11500 machine? Exactly. Nobody wants to pay the entire price for the Intel one. It was an experiment as I couldn't get a GPU at the time. Also my friend bought one of the ebay 4000G processors and we did a comparison and Intel XE wasn't even half as fast. I have DDR3600C16 installed and the graphics performance is not good. No 1080p Overwatch or 1440p Runeterra even. You can play 720p titles though, some of them.

 

[Why_Me]

Wrong. Every time you see this, and then people must wonder why everyone wants the 5600X instead. Let me enlighten.

The 5600X is the best, period. Just like the 8700k was more expensive than the 1600.

I built two computers, one is $800 USD with an i5-11500. One is $900 with the 5600X. See how that works? Anyways not going to argue more, but the 11500 machine is going to be sold off. The number of BIOS bugs is unprecedented for an Intel machine, and Intel XE is FULL of bugs including website rendering having artifacts, and black screening on youtube videos. I'd kill for a 5600G right now. Sure saving $100 was nice, but I bought it before reviews and the fact that it isn't even 1 percent faster than last gen in gaming doesn't impress, I was expecting much more. Also hit 100 degrees constantly with the stock cooler (and I thought the black cooler would be neat but the fan bearing is loud, just like AMD) so I didn't even save money on the cooler which was the point. Combine that with lacking XE graphics and nobody would want it later.

Would you pay $900 for a 5600X machine or $800 for an 11500 machine? Exactly. Nobody wants to pay the entire price for the Intel one. It was an experiment as I couldn't get a GPU at the time. Also my friend bought one of the ebay 4000G processors and we did a comparison and Intel XE wasn't even half as fast. I have DDR3600C16 installed and the graphics performance is not good. No 1080p Overwatch or 1440p Runeterra even. You can play 720p titles though, some of them.

11400F = $160
B560 MB = $100
2x8GB 3200Mhz CL16 RAM = $80

Total: $340 USD

 

[Caring1]

I see the usual suspects have turned this into an AMD V's Intel thing again trying to support their favourite team.

 

[Searing]

Does anyone actually read Techpowerup's reviews? On this site. So far his results have been horrid. He reviewed the 11900k, and the 10700k BEAT IT in gaming. The 10400f beat the 11400f in gaming also. I'm not pro AMD, I have a lot of both systems, but the performance was worse than I expected. I was just pointing out if you buy the 5600X you get the best 6 core CPU, period, and in terms of the total price of the system, you also don't pay much more. Those are the same arguments that made the 8700k my favorite CPU. It's not a lot more money, but I'm actually at the top and justifies me spending $1000 on a computer.

I see no reason to buy any Rocketlake at all, except that they are in stock and have iGPU. This is coming from someone typing this on a i5-11500 system. If we weren't in the midst of a silicon shortage I would have zero reason to have bought Rocket Lake.

Why_ME: "11400F = $160
B560 MB = $100
2x8GB 3200Mhz CL16 RAM = $80"

This kind of nonsense is just trolling. I'm out of here. Has nothing to do with the how much a quality computer actually costs. Most people will pay $200 for the Intel CPU since they don't live in the U.S., the MB, I bought the cheapest one it was $150 CAD ($120 USD) and good ram has jumped up to $140 CAD for two. Then you add a case and psu and storage and GPU. Look at my sig for example. The 11500 computer is going straight to craigslist, not interested in keeping it. I LOVE THE CORSAIR 4000X WHITE case, omg, it is so amazing. Switching all my computers to that case.

 

[ftgf]

Wrong. Every time you see this, and then people must wonder why everyone wants the 5600X instead. Let me enlighten.

The 5600X is the best, period. Just like the 8700k was more expensive than the 1600.

I built two computers, one is $800 USD with an i5-11500. One is $900 with the 5600X. See how that works? Anyways not going to argue more, but the 11500 machine is going to be sold off. The number of BIOS bugs is unprecedented for an Intel machine, and Intel XE is FULL of bugs including website rendering having artifacts, and black screening on youtube videos. I'd kill for a 5600G right now. Sure saving $100 was nice, but I bought it before reviews and the fact that it isn't even 1 percent faster than last gen in gaming doesn't impress, I was expecting much more. Also hit 100 degrees constantly with the stock cooler (and I thought the black cooler would be neat but the fan bearing is loud, just like AMD) so I didn't even save money on the cooler which was the point. Combine that with lacking XE graphics and nobody would want it later.

Would you pay $900 for a 5600X machine or $800 for an 11500 machine? Exactly. Nobody wants to pay the entire price for the Intel one. It was an experiment as I couldn't get a GPU at the time. Also my friend bought one of the ebay 4000G processors and we did a comparison and Intel XE wasn't even half as fast. I have DDR3600C16 installed and the graphics performance is not good. No 1080p Overwatch or 1440p Runeterra even. You can play 720p titles though, some of them.

This is so full of BS. The conversation was about the 11400f price point. Now you mention the 11500. Now it's about the iGPU which the 5600x doesn't even have. As someone pointed out you can get CPU, mobo, and ram for practically the same cost as the 5600x by itself so I don't know how you're only $100 apart. Now I can take that all but when I know you're entirely BSing is when you mention the cooling. On the 11400 even with Base Boost at 125W with the stock cooler it doesn't even reach the mid 80s at max all core turbo indefinitely. Yes it's not super quiet but it's included and not too bad for what it is. I don't see the 11500 being that much hotter. Anyways it's a great little budget setup. It's nice that you like your 5600X but it's an entirely different price point.

 

[Searing]

This is so full of BS. The conversation was about the 11400f price point. Now you mention the 11500. Now it's about the iGPU which the 5600x doesn't even have. As someone pointed out you can get CPU, mobo, and ram for practically the same cost as the 5600x by itself so I don't know how you're only $100 apart. Now I can take that all but when I know you're entirely BSing is when you mention the cooling. On the 11400 even with Base Boost at 125W with the stock cooler it doesn't even reach the mid 80s at max all core turbo indefinitely. Yes it's not super quiet but it's included and not too bad for what it is. I don't see the 11500 being that much hotter. Anyways it's a great little budget setup. It's nice that you like your 5600X but it's an entirely different price point.

When you build a computer you have to pay $800 to put that CPU in it, might as well get something better. I'm not comparing the 11500, I bought the 11500 as it was the same price for me as the 11400 in Canada. You need a GPU with the 11400f so you aren't building a cheap computer with it. Enough. It's not an entirely different price point to pay an extra $100 to get a much better machine. 10 percent more total system cost for 25 percent better performance in some cases, and even if not in gaming, at least you get the best gaming performance possible without paying the huge increase in cost for the 8 core CPUs. Simple to understand isn't it. Selling the 11500 system. I had no idea when I bought it that it would be slower than the 10th gen in gaming. XE graphics are buggy and it is already a week since release and Intel hasn't properly released drivers for it. And yes I have the new "release" from yesterday and it didn't fix the major issues.

Are we reading the same reviews? The 10700k beat the 11900k in gaming, the 10400f beat the 11400f. That's not a generational upgrade.

 

[ftgf]

When you build a computer you have to pay $800 to put that CPU in it, might as well get something better. I'm not comparing the 11500, I bought the 11500 as it was the same price for me as the 11400 in Canada. You need a GPU with the 11400f so you aren't building a cheap computer with it. Enough. It's not an entirely different price point to pay an extra $100 to get a much better machine. 10 percent more total system cost for 25 percent better performance in some cases, and even if not in gaming, at least you get the best gaming performance possible without paying the huge increase in cost for the 8 core CPUs. Simple to understand isn't it. Selling the 11500 system. I had no idea when I bought it that it would be slower than the 10th gen in gaming. XE graphics are buggy and it is already a week since release and Intel hasn't properly released drivers for it. And yes I have the new "release" from yesterday and it didn't fix the major issues.

Are we reading the same reviews? The 10700k beat the 11900k in gaming, the 10400f beat the 11400f. That's not a generational upgrade.

From the review "Priced at $170, the Core i5-11400F is extremely affordable. I'd even go so far to say it's the best entry-level CPU on the market today." "The Core i5-11400F definitely has enough gaming horsepower to feed any graphics card—the RTX 3080 ran great in our test system. Especially at higher resolutions are the differences between CPU choices small because games are more and more GPU limited. Given today's insane graphics card prices, every dollar you save on the processor will open up new GPU options for you."

That's what you're not getting.

You can build it cheaper than a 5600X rig and that's the point. Sorry you pay more in Canada but that really has no bearing other than for a small market. It's cheaper and you forgo a marginally better experience. Not a bad trade off. Anyways I don't actually care about this stuff too much it's supposed to be fun. Some people forget that.

 

[Searing]

From the review "Priced at $170, the Core i5-11400F is extremely affordable. I'd even go so far to say it's the best entry-level CPU on the market today." "The Core i5-11400F definitely has enough gaming horsepower to feed any graphics card—the RTX 3080 ran great in our test system. Especially at higher resolutions are the differences between CPU choices small because games are more and more GPU limited. Given today's insane graphics card prices, every dollar you save on the processor will open up new GPU options for you."

That's what you're not getting.

You can build it cheaper than a 5600X rig and that's the point. Sorry you pay more in Canada but that really has no bearing other than for a small market. It's cheaper and you forgo a marginally better experience. Not a bad trade off. Anyways I don't actually care about this stuff too much it's supposed to be fun. Some people forget that.

I 100 percent get that was already true about the Ryzen 3600 and 10400f. He's just repeating the same reasoning. When Intel releases a dog terrible CPU we can criticize it. No longer power efficient, bad integrated graphics (half of the 4000G series), no improvement in performance.

I like Wizzard's reviews but also his click baity "11900k review: the best gaming CPU?" title was not good. He could have titled it "11900k review: worse than the 10700k in gaming?" and it would have some honesty about it. Same here. "11400f: Cheap in the U.S., might be a choice for some".

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I see the usual suspects have turned this into an AMD V's Intel thing again trying to support their favourite team.

What do you expect we are still in a pandemic and people have nothing better to do....... I do wish people owned both or could at least play around extensively with both at this point it really doesn't matter what you own as long as you have a R5 3600 or above...... Even an R5 2600 is still pretty decent as long as it's running 4ghz or more with some decent Bdie.....

This CPU is priced well and is good enough for gaming it's a much better option over the outgoing R5 3600 other than the poor upgrade path an overall inferior platform but for those that want the best they obviously aren't in the market for a $160 CPU.... Intel is the sub $200 king right now and they are mostly fine up to about $400 sure their cpu use way too much power in certain scenarios but as long as people buying them know that who cares.

 

[Searing]

What do you expect we are still in a pandemic and people have nothing better to do....... I do wish people owned both or could at least play around extensively with both at this point it really doesn't matter what you own as long as you have a R5 3600 or above...... Even an R5 2600 is still pretty decent as long as it's running 4ghz or more with some decent Bdie.....

This CPU is priced well and is good enough for gaming it's a much better option over the outgoing R5 3600 other than the poor upgrade path an overall inferior platform but for those that want the best they obviously aren't in the market for a $160 CPU.... Intel is the sub $200 king right now and they are mostly fine up to about $400 sure their cpu use way too much power in certain scenarios but as long as people buying them know that who cares.

Are we reading the same review? Worse than the 10400f, and the 3600 was already a solid choice vs the 10400f, nevermind the 11400f. Ryzen 3600 scores 29 percent faster in Cinebench. Oops.

 

[Why_Me]

Are we reading the same review? Worse than the 10400f, and the 3600 was already a solid choice vs the 10400f, nevermind the 11400f. Ryzen 3600 scores 29 percent faster in Cinebench. Oops.

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If someone plans on using their build for video editing, photoshop, etc .. along with gaming then the 3600 is a solid buy. If someone is looking for a cheap gaming build without the extras then the 10400F or the 11400F paired with a B560 board is the way to go imo.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Are we reading the same review? Worse than the 10400f, and the 3600 was already a solid choice vs the 10400f, nevermind the 11400f. Ryzen 3600 scores 29 percent faster in Cinebench. Oops.

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Cinebench is about as useful as Userbenchmarks.......



Currently in the states it's $75 cheaper and generally better for that $75 you can get a much better board or much better cooler or a substantially better kit of ram...... For 10 bucks more you can get it with a gimped igpu so that it isn't a paperweight like the R5 3600 with the current gpu shortages.

The 3600 was a solid choice when it was around 180 and if they costed about the same it might be the overall better options for some but at it's current pricing it sucks.... Much better off with a 10600k That once overclocked can get you about 95% of the gaming performance of a stock 10900k... For productivity it just depends people should really be looking at an 8 core cpu in that scenario or above. I doubt people are buying cheap 6 core cpu with the primary goal of running Blender....

If someone plans on using their build for video editing, photoshop, etc .. along with gaming then the 3600 is a solid buy. If someone is looking for a cheap gaming build without the extras then the 10400F or the 11400F paired with a B560 board is the way to go imo.

Not really they are probably still better off getting the 10600K an overclocking it....


Again a lot of this depends on what your upgrade plan is if you want a cheap 6 core now and a 16 core once they are cheaper later than yeah AM4 is the way to go currently.

 

[Why_Me]

Cinebench is about as useful as Userbenchmarks.......

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Currently in the states it's $75 cheaper and generally better for that $75 you can get a much better board or much better cooler or a substantially better kit of ram...... For 10 bucks more you can get it with a gimped igpu so that it isn't a paperweight like the R5 3600 with the current gpu shortages.

The 3600 was a solid choice when it was around 180 and if they costed about the same it might be the overall better options for some but at it's current pricing it sucks.... Much better off with a 10600k That once overclocked can get you about 95% of the gaming performance of a stock 10900k... For productivity it just depends people should really be looking at an 8 core cpu in that scenario or above. I doubt people are buying cheap 6 core cpu with the primary goal of running Blender....



Not really they are probably still better off getting the 10600K an overclocking it....


Again a lot of this depends on what your upgrade plan is if you want a cheap 6 core now and a 16 core once they are cheaper later than yeah AM4 is the way to go currently.

10400F/11400F is a solid buy for a 'budget build'. The 10600K is going to require a Z490/Z590 board along with better cooling than the locked cpu and that all adds up.

 

[ftgf]

Are we reading the same review? Worse than the 10400f, and the 3600 was already a solid choice vs the 10400f, nevermind the 11400f. Ryzen 3600 scores 29 percent faster in Cinebench. Oops.

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Cinebench...... My favorite game. 11400 beats the 3600 in every gaming benchmark Gamers Nexus tested at. Unless you have a different use case and a 3600 won't be it what does it matter here? You're acting like the budget AMD options are for people actually doing work...

 

[oxrufiioxo]

10400F/11400F is a solid buy for a 'budget build'. The 10600K is going to require a Z490/Z590 board and better cooling than the locked cpu and that all adds up.

The B550/B560/Z490 worth using are about $20 apart in price last time I checked the majority of sub $150 are really bad and you better be pinching pennies in the first place if those are your only options...... Once overclocked the 10600k is quite a bit faster in gaming its primarily purpose as a cpu imho.... Honestly even with the fully unlocked 10400 I would worry about a lot of the sub $150 motherboards and even then their feature set is pretty terrible on top of that.

There are even a couple of decent sub $200 Z590 boards as well as X570. Again if you are pinching pennies that badly a 225 usd cpu doesn't make sense anyway... at that point a 10400 at $159 with its useable igpu makes more sense.


Regardless of platform and I've tried to tell this to people over and over don't skimp on your mobo and while that doesn't mean you need to spend $250 plus you will regret it down the line if you go too bare bones.

 

[ftgf]

The B550/B560/Z490 worth using are about $20 apart in price last time I checked the majority of sub $150 are really bad and you better be pinching pennies in the first place if those are your only options...... Once overclocked the 10600k is quite a bit faster in gaming its primarily purpose as a cpu imho.... Honestly even with the fully unlocked 10400 I would worry about a lot of the sub $150 motherboards and even then their feature set is pretty terrible on top of that.

There are even a couple of decent sub $200 Z590 boards as well as X570. Again if you are pinching pennies that badly a 225 usd cpu doesn't make sense anyway... at that point a 10400 at $159 with its useable igpu makes more sense.

Budget boards get a bad rap but honestly there is good ones out there and they get get you 95% of they way there.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Budget boards get a bad rap but honestly there is good ones out there and they get get you 95% of they way there.

I get it there are a couple good options the B450 Tomahawk comes to mind in its day but for the lower price you are getting lower layer counts, much worse Vrms, worse memory traces, worse sound, worse networking options, and unless you do your research it could limit support for higher tier sku you may be able to upgrade to on the cheap down the line if you for whatever reason need more cpu power and don't want to upgrade the whole system which could be substantially more costly in a year or 2 with ddr5 and pcie gen 5 coming up.

That's up the buyer to do their research and hopefully there is enough data on a particular board to make an informed decision.... Mobo makers don't send their budget tier offerings for review for a reason.

 

[Why_Me]

The B550/B560/Z490 worth using are about $20 apart in price last time I checked the majority of sub $150 are really bad and you better be pinching pennies in the first place if those are your only options...... Once overclocked the 10600k is quite a bit faster in gaming its primarily purpose as a cpu imho.... Honestly even with the fully unlocked 10400 I would worry about a lot of the sub $150 motherboards and even then their feature set is pretty terrible on top of that.

There are even a couple of decent sub $200 Z590 boards as well as X570. Again if you are pinching pennies that badly a 225 usd cpu doesn't make sense anyway... at that point a 10400 at $159 with its useable igpu makes more sense.

You'd be surprised how many people on other sites that do builds are looking to replace older hardware yet are on a tight budget. If you want a budget build for gaming and you have an older video card or you are willing to spend big money on a video card yet you have to keep the rest of the build at low cost then this is as good as it gets imo. btw that $40 CM 212 isn't going to handle an unlocked Intel 10th/11th gen cpu.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119384?Item=N82E16813119384
ASUS PRIME B560-PLUS $119.99

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-10400f-core-i5-10th-gen/p/N82E16819118132
Intel Core i5-10400F $149.95

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-11400f-core-i5-11th-gen/p/N82E16819118264?Item=N82E16819118264
Intel Core i5-11400F $159.99

https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-RR-212S-20PK-R1-Contact-Silencio/dp/B07H25DYM3/
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition CPU Air Cooler $39.99

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You'd be surprised how many people on other sites that do builds are looking to replace older hardware yet are on a tight budget. If you want a budget build for gaming and you have an older video card or you are willing to spend big money on a video card yet you have to keep the rest of the build at low cost then this is as good as it gets imo. btw that $40 CM 212 isn't going to handle an unlocked Intel 10th/11th gen cpu.

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16813119384?Item=N82E16813119384
ASUS PRIME B560-PLUS $119.99

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-10400f-core-i5-10th-gen/p/N82E16819118132
Intel Core i5-10400F $149.95

https://www.newegg.com/intel-core-i5-11400f-core-i5-11th-gen/p/N82E16819118264?Item=N82E16819118264
Intel Core i5-11400F $159.99

https://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-RR-212S-20PK-R1-Contact-Silencio/dp/B07H25DYM3/
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition CPU Air Cooler $39.99

I've looked at that board its pretty terrible.... The 212 should be fine for gaming though even with power limits unlocked though.

 

[Searing]

Techspot review: What We Learned:
Is the Core i5-10400 worth the $182 asking price? Probably not, but hey, it's competing against the extremely aggressive and awesome Ryzen 3600. (...) As you just witnessed, when it comes to gaming performance the Core i5 processor is roughly on par with the 3600, while for productivity tasks AMD's offering is often up to 10% faster while consuming a similar level of power."

No the Ryzen 3600 isn't bad at gaming, not at all. And you can do a simple 4.4ghz OC and really crush the 10400 and 11400.

 

[ftgf]

Mobo makers don't send their budget tier offerings for review for a reason.

It's the opposite of what you are thinking. It's because for most users the budget boards give them everything they need.

 

[Why_Me]

Techspot review: What We Learned:
Is the Core i5-10400 worth the $182 asking price? Probably not, but hey, it's competing against the extremely aggressive and awesome Ryzen 3600. (...) As you just witnessed, when it comes to gaming performance the Core i5 processor is roughly on par with the 3600, while for productivity tasks AMD's offering is often up to 10% faster while consuming a similar level of power."

No the Ryzen 3600 isn't bad at gaming, not at all. And you can do a simple 4.4ghz OC and really crush the 10400 and 11400.

Why would someone spend more money on a cpu with integrated graphics (10400/11400) when they can spend less for the same performance (10400F/11400F).

 

[oxrufiioxo]

It's the opposite of what you are thinking. It's because for most users the budget boards give them everything they need.

If all you need is a bunch of missing features then good for you..... Although full Disclosure I don't currently own a Sub $300 board so maybe I'm not the best judge.... I personally wouldn't purchase anything without a post code/bios flash but everyone has different wants/needs...

 

[Why_Me]

I've looked at that board its pretty terrible.... The 212 should be fine for gaming though even with power limits unlocked though.

There's a few Brits (seeing how the UK gets new hardware a week or two before the US these days) who have done builds with that Asus board and have nothing but good to say about it. Meanwhile I've yet to come across anyone recommending a CM 212 for an unlocked Intel cpu such as that 10600K.