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Intel X6 i5-9600KF based system (5.00Ghz project)

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That, and many other points have already been made... but the OP wanted an all MSI rig in that non-windowed old school chassis sooooo. It is what it is (a $120 cooler that performs as well as a $50 cooler).
Dang since you pointed that out as i glanced right pass it. Thar case has terrible airflow

OP I'm not going to comment on the CPU as you made your mind up

But you need a better case and cooler
 
I didn't read through the whole thread as i just want to add 2 cents

I don't believe that cooler will be able to handle heat generated at 5GHz.

That's okay, I like the look of it. I think I will get fairly close to 5Ghz anyway. The cooler is rated for 250w TDP. Yet another reason I didn't go all-in on a 9900K, I wanted to run air cooling on this machine.

As you may or may not know, the 9600KF has a solder-based thermal interface material, which improves heat transfer, facilitating higher frequencies whether you're using one core or all six. A base clock rate of 3.7 GHz already represents a 100 MHz improvement over the Core i5-8600K frequency floor (and a 100Mhz improvement over the 9900K as well).
 
Noone is arguing with you about cost/performance. It's a defunct response. The point is 6c/6t is obsolete already in 2019. Moving forward in 2020 you're screwed in the long run. 9700k should have been your minimum.

LOL I love how you are claiming a 9th Gen CPU, what is essentially Intel's most recent release to the processor market, is already obsolete. Do you think I'm going to pay you any mind with a comment like that?
 
I love my 9900k based system its pretty amazing but even it I wouldn't recommend over a 3900X given the choice between the two.

I'm happy you love your 9900K system, and I sure hope you get two use those two outer-most extra cores considering you have A LOT of money tied up in that thing. As for the 3900X, you know I already bought a 9600KF, so you can drop the act now.
 
Not overly difficult to find results where the 3600 does better 22% in BFV is pretty large also not difficult to find where the 9600 does well so that's why I've repeatedly said do your research
Keep in mind its 18% cheaper currently on amazon.
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I think I mentioned this already you lose a bit in gaming but you gain much more in MT task and in 2020 if you don't care about MT performance you should if not a 7600k at 4.8ghz which also has nearly the same IPC as a 9600k wouldn't be losing to a 1600 in a lot of modern games.

I don't think anyone could recommend in good faith a 9600K over a 3600 other than blind intel fanboys. Fanboys of anything are the worse and I hope intel can get down to 10nm or 7nm soon because all the Ryzen love is getting old I mean you have to scroll way down on amazon.com best selling cpu list to even find an i5.

Not to mention its a dead platform with a likely much better i5 that will probably be better than an 8700k coming out this year although with all the mitigation intel is having to pump out who knows.... I haven't notice any noticeable performance degradation with my 9900k since it launched so fingers crossed that isn't the case I'm willing to bet slower cpu with less resources will feel it first though and maybe that's why in SOTTR the 9600k at 5.2ghz is 60% slower than a stock 9900k in 1% lows albeit with unrealistic settings....

I love my 9900k based system its pretty amazing but even it I wouldn't recommend over a 3900X given the choice between the two.


Again we could argue this till the end of time so it's a bit pointless as the OP already decided he was going intel no matter what so its irrelevant.
I worry about the longevity of a 6 core 6 thread cpu but the OP has a 580 so with ultra settings he will struggle to even hit 60 in some games so its probably irrelevant for now.

I hope I was clear as to why I would recommend a 3600 or even a 2600 (the substantially better upgrade path while both of them being cheaper) really over a 9600k doesn't mean I'm right whoever is buying one of these cpu needs to research the games they actually plan on playing and the programs they actually plan on using.

coming from what the OP has just about any modern cpu will be a huge upgrade... I have a feeling he's going to love the 9600KF


I tried to help the OP as much as I could with the gaming/system building experience I have admittedly that's way less than a lot of people on this forum only 30 systems over the last 9 years...

Something @phill said got me thinking and really the best way to make a good decision would be to have both system in front of you doing the things you do unfortunately this is unrealistic for most people so all we can look at is a graph that doesn't always tell the whole story.
those are stock results dude,not 5ghz,probably nowhere near the ram speed he'll be running,and bf5 is a one off result,seriously questionable with their useless absolute min fps methodology.in the other three 9600k will be faster in 1% once oc'd to 5ghz too.
your whole posts seems like you're pandering to ryzen owners except when you gotta get a cpu for yourself.
we should care about mt performance cause ryzen is here.that's exceptional thinking.keep sweeping the likes like leaves in the fall.
seriously,what for ? for anything remotely workstation related that I'm doing on my computerr my igpu and dgpu will help me more than SMT ever could.
 
seriously,people need to check out what obsolete means.
that sku will probably outperform 3600 too,so 3600 is obsolete :laugh:
 
those are stock results dude,not 5ghz,proabbly nowhere near the ram speed he'll be running,and bf5 is a one off result.in the other three 9600k will be faster in 1% once oc'd to 5ghz too.
your whole posts seems like you're pandering to ryzen owners except when you gotta get a cpu for yourself.
we should care about mt performance cause ryzen is here.that's exceptional thinking.keep sweeping the likes like leaves in the fall.
seriously,what for ? for anything remotely workstation related that I'm doing on my computerr my igpu and dgpu will help me morre than SMT ever could.

I own both a 9900k and a 3900X so I'm well aware of how Ryzen compares.
 
If it is time to buy, it's time to buy, people... some can't or simply do not want to wait. If this works for him, that is great...but for othe enthusiasts, in particular gamers who play modern titles, it really is a minimum today. I question how it will do in a year or two, especially if he wants to play modern titles especially after the consoles are out, but that said, it's only a glass ceiling. I'm sure it will reach 60 fps so,it will do the job.
 
I own both a 9900k and a 3900X so I'm well aware of how Ryzen compares.
that's why you're basing your whole point on one result in bf5 where they're testing absolute minimum obvserved fps not 1% on stock 9600k and then tell us we should care about MT performance cause of ryzen.

nice!
 
that's why you're basing your whole point on one result in bf5 where they're testing absolute minimum obvserved fps not 1% on stock 9600k and then tell us we should care about MT performance cause of ryzen.

nice!
Didnt the other games he showed graphs of show similar behavior?
 
look at them and the ones he posted from gamersnexus
Dude this thread is god knows how long.. which post? Link it (you can right click on the post #, copy, and paste, note).

From his links, I see bf v and assassins creed showing significant differences. The other two, not much. I'd bet that hold true through the last 2 cods (it spread the load really evenly across 16c/16t anyway, lol).

Regardless, this only hinders fps in games that can utilize more than 6c. While that is only several titles (some AAA) now, the list grows monthly.
 
Dude this thread is god knows how long.. which post? Link it (you can right click on the post #, copy, and paste, note).

From his links, I see bf v and assassins creed showing significant differences. The other two, not much. I'd bet that hold true through the last 2 cods (it spread the load really evenly across 16c/16t.

Regardless, this only hinders fps in games that can utilize more than 6c. While that is only several titles (some AAA) now, the list grows monthly.
ac shows 10% when 9600k is stock,and they're testing miminum observed fps which is just trash methodology when compred to today's standard that is 1%

bf1 - see above.would have to compare 1% oc vs oc to see how much it actually is.

 
Regardless, this only hinders fps in games that can utilize more than 6c. While that is only several titles (some AAA) now, the list grows monthly.
no,it's when 6 cores are not enough,not when a game can utilize six.
 
If it is time to buy, it's time to buy, people... some can't or simply do not want to wait. If this works for him, that is great...but for othe enthusiasts, in particular gamers who play modern titles, it really is a minimum today. I question how it will do in a year or two, especially if he wants to play modern titles especially after the consoles are out, but that said, it's only a glass ceiling. I'm sure it will reach 60 fps so,it will do the job.

Perhaps people shouldn't be claiming a 9th Gen Core processor is obsolete? lol
 
Perhaps people shouldn't be claiming a 9th Gen Core processor is obsolete? lol
Obsolete is a bit strong, I agree.
no,it's when 6 cores are not enough,not when a game can utilize six.
what? If a games uses a 6cores, that means there is nothing left for much else slowing down the game and some fos drops will occur. Dont split hairs.:)
 
That's okay, I like the look of it. I think I will get fairly close to 5Ghz anyway. The cooler is rated for 250w TDP. Yet another reason I didn't go all-in on a 9900K, I wanted to run air cooling on this machine.

As you may or may not know, the 9600KF has a solder-based thermal interface material, which improves heat transfer, facilitating higher frequencies whether you're using one core or all six. A base clock rate of 3.7 GHz already represents a 100 MHz improvement over the Core i5-8600K frequency floor (and a 100Mhz improvement over the 9900K as well).
Manufactures are known to over exaggerate their cooler capabilities. I mean if you look at reviews your cooler performs worse than a H7 but cost more.

Soldered or not if you can't dissipate the heat it won't matter.

You must realize 9th gen intel runs hot even with a soldered ihs
 
You guys are going to love this...

Depending on my results with the first CPU, perhaps I will go ahead and buy like 5 more in hopes of finding a unicorn.

Manufactures are known to over exaggerate their cooler capabilities. I mean if you look at reviews your cooler performs worse than a H7 but cost more.

Right, I knew going in I was sacrificing performance for looks. That being said, if I cannot achieve 5Ghz, do you think an H7 will help me reach that goal? What other air coolers would you recommend for 5Ghz given my CPU choice?

I have my heart set on air cooling, even though I can fit a 360mm rad in this case.

Depending on how my first CPU performs, perhaps I should buy like 5 or 6 more in hopes of finding a unicorn... worth it? Essentially, they are so cheap you might as well do your own binning...
 
You guys are going to love this...

Depending on my results with the first CPU, perhaps I will go ahead and buy like 5 more in hopes of finding a unicorn.



Right, I knew going in I was sacrificing performance for looks. That being said, if I cannot achieve 5Ghz, do you think an H7 will help me reach that goal? What other air coolers would you recommend for 5Ghz given my CPU choice?

I have my heart set on air cooling, even though I can fit a 360mm rad in this case.

You guys are going to love this. Depending on how my first CPU performs, perhaps I should buy like 5 or 6 more in hopes of finding a unicorn... worth it? Essentially, they are so cheap you might as well do your own binning...


All of theses should do it but I would go with the D15 they will likely send you a new bracket for any future motherboard you purchase even 5 years down the line if its not supported.





 
You guys are going to love this...

Depending on my results with the first CPU, perhaps I will go ahead and buy like 5 more in hopes of finding a unicorn.



Right, I knew going in I was sacrificing performance for looks. That being said, if I cannot achieve 5Ghz, do you think an H7 will help me reach that goal? What other air coolers would you recommend for 5Ghz given my CPU choice?

I have my heart set on air cooling, even though I can fit a 360mm rad in this case.

Depending on how my first CPU performs, perhaps I should buy like 5 or 6 more in hopes of finding a unicorn... worth it? Essentially, they are so cheap you might as well do your own binning...
Noctua DH-14 is one of the top coolers available rivaling AIOs
 
Noctua's D15 is the popular choice.

Thanks. I will keep this in the back of my mind. I do like the dark look now that Noctua has gone away from that ugly tan suitcase color they used to use on everything.
 
Thanks. I will keep this in the back of my mind. I do like the dark look now that Noctua has gone away from that ugly tan suitcase color they used to use on everything.


The one I linked you is all black... I know you like your Stealth fighter look. I hope I'm not confusing you with someone else who said that.
 
The one I linked you is all black... I know you like your Stealth fighter look. I hope I'm not confusing you with someone else who said that.

Yeah, I definitely like the look of them, it's always an option in the future... not ruling it out that's for sure.
 
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