legit users screwed by xp activation hell :mad:

[trog100]

"I own legitimate copies for all my computers but that’s because I don’t want to support any black market for this type of thing."

it has been said that the black economy is the oil that enables the gears of the legitimate economy to keep turning.. or in my own words that the two are part of a "whole" and one cannot exist without the other..

before any piece of software becomes the "norm" it has to be either given away free (winzip was good example of this) or be kinda carelessly left laying around so that folks can steal it.. he he he..

if the only way u could listen to music was to pay ten dollars for a CD.. folks would find other ways to pass their time.. the entire music industry would not exist.. if the only way u could fill up your 20 gig ipod was to pay $10.000 to legitimately download mps another industry would not exist..

a lot of folks might dissagree.. but the entire mass market (cheap) PC industry would not exist without software piracy.. what folks seem to forget is that to make one of those (cheap) $500 PCs do anything usefull it has to be loaded with software.. we are back to the ipod situation here..

either way the anti-piracy lobbies statement that each pirate copy equals a lost payment in revenue is total utter rubbish..

the truth.. some kind of weird symbiotic relationship exsists between legit and none legit.. things aint quite as simple as they seem..

one thing is clear human being are "gatherers" by nature.. if u dont have some effective means of preventing other "gatherers" from "gathering" what u claim to be yours.. there aint much point in claiming ownership.. with things of a digital nature.. that effective means dosnt exist and i cant see how it ever will..

trog

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

I got caught up on activation on the weekend... I changed hardware more than 3 times on my main system, so it wouldn't activate. Personally, I think that's very wrong. You bought the OS; it's retarded that they limit you on how many time you can change hardware and still install the OS!

-Dan

You're not actually limited.. it just reacts once you change a large portion. Its perfectly legal to reactivate it if you swap some parts... as its still a single computer, which is well within the license agreement..

 

[djbbenn]

Well all I know it wouldn't activate... doesn't matter now though.

-Dan

 

[tony929292]

when my bother bulit his computer he used a copy of a dell oem xp home had to phone in the actavtion told them that he just purchsed a new hard drive and they give him the activtion code he didnt reuse 1 thing from the dell (besides the xp cd)

 

[infrared]

damn. I tried to use the dell oem cd on mine, and i got an error message saying something along the lines of 'this xp installation disk can only be used on a dell pc'...

.. So i used the cd off my old blown-up laptop!

 

[Jimmy 2004]

In my opinion, if you want a pirated copy of windows, use one. Microsoft's main aim is for profit, and their economists and managers have decided that having the price of windows as it is will get them the most money... every business works like that.

 

[mex]

Well you should all get two activations per full copy of XP except for the Copies with dell.

If when you first install windows XP you should only select Activate Now and not to register.

If you were to phone up and tell them your dilemma and that in your Knowledge this software is only installed on one computer they will be happy to read you another activation code.

However, if when you go though a validation period because you are trying to use windows updates from two different hardware configs you will be refused the updates.

A little tip though, and I guess I shouldn’t say this but people who cant afford any valid activation codes could very easily go to Dixon’s or PC world and read of the side of one of there brand new pre installed windows xp machines and use that. Because it can be activated twice the person who buys the computer won’t even know the difference.

 

[Steevo]

Wow.


What a bunch of tight asses.

1) Good can exist without bad.
2) You are paying for a piece of software that took many hundreds of thousands of man hours to write. I know, as I was doing beta testing on XP. In return I got some gifts.
3) Three computers? Too poor to buy a copy of XP $90 but enough to have a few compys sitting around. Nice. Imagine you have three cars, and you go buy a new paint job for one, ONE mind you. Since you like that paint so much, you want to have your other two cars painted the same. The paint is already in use one one car, but you want it on three. Get the idea?
4) Linux. It is free. Almost any version. Want one? Download it. Install that on as many computers as you want.
5) One liceanse per machine. Pretty clear. Or mebey you could lie, or steal, or cheat to get one. Just shows what kind of person you are.
6) This one is great. You DON'T have to buy the OS. Really, no one is going to shoot you if you don't.
7) Use what you have. No spider solitare on them? You can download it from sites. I swear. Or is the pretty XP look on your machines that you desired? Or perhaps to sell them?

The fact of the matter is. you bought one copy for use on one machine. It isn't gasoline, it isn't water. It's software. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

 

[Thermopylae_480]

Oh thermo, I hope you don't mean that. The good thing is you're american so you have the right to insult us, but that probably means you're a democrat too. I'm not gonna hijack the thread and turn this political, but blatent insults to our government just pisses me off. Sorry

We've butted heads on this issue before AMD, I see no reason to do it again .
Please review this thread for my counter argument http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=5579&page=5.

it has been said that the black economy is the oil that enables the gears of the legitimate economy to keep turning.. or in my own words that the two are part of a "whole" and one cannot exist without the other..

I like Trog100's very eastern philosphy here. I just thought I would point out your allusion to the Taoist philosphy of Yin and Yang we are all familiar with.

You can not justify a monopoly, it is self perpetuating, controlling and inherently destructive to free interprise and the economy. I get bleak satisfaction in the idea that eventually Microsoft will fall from grace. If Linux can survive for free, then Windows can be had for a reasonable price.

 

[Steevo]

I like Trog100's very eastern philosphy here. I just thought I would point out your allusion to the Taoist philosphy of Yin and Yang we are all familiar with.

You can not justify a monopoly, it is self perpetuating, controlling and inherently destructive to free interprise and the economy. I get bleak satisfaction in the idea that eventually Microsoft will fall from grace. If Linux can survive for free, then Windows can be had for a reasonable price.

Of corse that is the great thinking of opium smokers and people who drank from leaden vessels. Today such people end up in homes. How disturbing that it must be that our greatest thinkers are in mental homes.

The facts are simply MS was the first on the scene with a better product for the average user and is still on the scene for that same average user. If that doesn't float your boat, there are many others.

 

[Thermopylae_480]

The opiate trade was not initiated until the 1800's when Britain introduced it as a way to correct a trade imbalance with China. A sad footnote in British history. The idea to say the great chineese thinkers were opiate addicts is perpostorous. China flourished and was many times more advanced than the west for thousands of years.

 

[Steevo]

Would you be offended if I laughed at that statement?

"Opium

Domesticated in the eastern Mediterranean in ancient times, opium is one of the most venerable drugs in formal and folk pharmacopoeia. Opium's healing properties were detailed in the works of Hippocrates (466-377 BC) and the Roman physician Galen (130-200 AD.) Spreading across the Asian land mass, opium was described as an effective drug in China's Herbalist Treasure of 973 AD."

http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Philosophy/Taichi/taoism.html

 

[tony929292]

i dont know about the rest of u but i like # 5
5) One liceanse per machine. Pretty clear. Or mebey you could lie, or steal, or cheat to get one. Just shows what kind of person you are.

i do lie steal and cheat and i am proud of who i am
if you ran you mouth like that were i live you would be one of thoses people who get there ass beat all the time
but i also could have took a copy from anthor computer but i didnt i payed for both xp home and pro 64 and i feel like i got ripped of on the crappyness of 64 but i cant return that any way that anthor story

but when it comes to stuck up people like you it makes me wish i did steal it
and if i could reuse the paint on my car for anything esle i need to paint i would and you

and yea i have 3 computers all top of the line and yes i have the money to buy 3 versions of xp but way the fuck would i do that (it f-in stupid)
but you dont fuck anyone over do u you have never download copyrighted music park in a fire zone or throw some trash out your window going down the highway

btw s m d
9 duce b###h

 

[AMDCam]

Well I do have the right to talk Thermo, I am doing something for my country (USMC). I just don't like uninformed democrats, I don't care who says America sucks, it's just the republicans don't insult and complain as much, so the democrats are heard a lot more. Sorry, it's done, no more subject with this

 

[Steevo]

i dont know about the rest of u but i like # 5
5) One liceanse per machine. Pretty clear. Or mebey you could lie, or steal, or cheat to get one. Just shows what kind of person you are.

i do lie steal and cheat and i am proud of who i am
if you ran you mouth like that were i live you would be one of thoses people who get there ass beat all the time
but i also could have took a copy from anthor computer but i didnt i payed for both xp home and pro 64 and i feel like i got ripped of on the crappyness of 64 but i cant return that any way that anthor story

but when it comes to stuck up people like you it makes me wish i did steal it
and if i could reuse the paint on my car for anything esle i need to paint i would and you

and yea i have 3 computers all top of the line and yes i have the money to buy 3 versions of xp but way the fuck would i do that (it f-in stupid)
but you dont fuck anyone over do u you have never download copyrighted music park in a fire zone or throw some trash out your window going down the highway

btw s m d
9 duce b###h

Its that exact thinking that sets humankind back 100 years. Great observation on me being stuck up. I simply stated if you want that sort of label, go for it. And you for example want it. A guy I work with used to have that attitude. He was in for 20 years for stealing cars, drugs, assault, armed robbery, etc... He wasted years of his life trying to prove what he was and threating others to get ahead, when a simple bit of logic and understanding was all that was needed.

Do I download music? Yep. From MSN.
Do I park in fire zones? Nope, not that many of them around here.
Do I litter? No reason.

Some things I do, as I am imprefect and will fail. But will I willingly go out of my way to do wrong? Nah, doesn't get you anywhere.

As for kicking my ass, well, mebey.

 

[wazzledoozle]

Oh god. This thread has certainly exploded.

 

[mex]

Tony and Stevo this Forum is not about who I more Macho!

This is a discussion about the Price and future of MS.

You are missing the point Tony, There are in my opinion people in this world that being left out for the simple fact is that they can’t afford the products.

Now I agree they can go and just find a cheaper option but don’t you think that is a little unfair that some people can’t even afford to purchase an operating system for there computer. I believe that everyone should be aloud on the same level without having to break the law to get there.

And lets face it the reasons why these activations have to be set by MS is because there were too many people who were abusing the single licence.

Well if anyone has heard but Bill Gates has some scary ideas about what he want to-do with Windows and all his software.
If he gets it his way we will all have to connect to his servers to run Windows and to buy software will only be compatible when purchased from him.

Dribbled on for long enough, just one Tip though if you are going to change your Hardware then there are 2 patches you can use and a registry adapter that will enable you to change your hardware and not need to reinstall windows. Just like good old Windows 95.

 

[djbbenn]

This isn't getting personal now is it? Because if it is, you can take it else where.

And some of you should lay off the language on the forums. There is no need for it.

-Dan

 

[Thermopylae_480]

Would you be offended if I laughed at that statement?

"Opium

Domesticated in the eastern Mediterranean in ancient times, opium is one of the most venerable drugs in formal and folk pharmacopoeia. Opium's healing properties were detailed in the works of Hippocrates (466-377 BC) and the Roman physician Galen (130-200 AD.) Spreading across the Asian land mass, opium was described as an effective drug in China's Herbalist Treasure of 973 AD."

http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/Philosophy/Taichi/taoism.html

My apologies. I wasn't writing a history essay and did not choose my words as carefully as I should of. I was specifically refering to the extreme opium addiction of China in the 1800s in order to clarify that the great Chineese philosophers were in all likely hood not addicted to opium. I realize opium as a medicinal form can be traced back to ancient China. Prior to the British introducing and marketing opium as a form of recreation, I feel opium has had a only a negligible impact on China history. When the Mongolian empire was at its height there may have been some use of opium as a recreational drug, since it was a major source of trade. I am fully aware of opiums origins and don't appreciate your "laugh" at my statment over a matter of semantics. I feel it would have been more proper for you to simply disagree and state why.

 

[CYBERX1800XT]

Windows Xp Key??

so the general consensus is if i own a legimate purchased version of XP w/sp2(witch i do) and still have purchase reciept,,and i decide to buy a new motherboard,,or a new vid card,or any major changes to my system more than 3 times,,im forced to have to spend another 300.00 for another full operating system? i just bought one 3 days before christmas. a full edition of win_xp pro w/sp2,,and it was the full blue box retail edition. it was 299.99 at best buy. i have to spend another 300 bucks to buy another operating system for the same pc??? what in the heck?????? my goodness,,no wonder bill gates is worth over 55 billion dollars. so my posted question is i can't change hardware more than 3 times? or i cant change hardware at all?? all the posts on this issue seems a little construded. i think the best way is someone call micosoft and ask them. not totally depend on other's opinions.

 

[mex]

If you own a full copy then After the second time you intstall it just means you have to phone up for your activation key rather than read it from the box. Thats it. Simple! It gives you a free phone number to call when you go to activate.

 

[Polaris573]

What's the difference between the OEM version and retail version. With OEM you get the same software at a significantly reduced price. Whats the advantage of the retail Package?

 

[mex]

There is no physical difference.

You can only buy OEM version of MS Software when you perchase a peice of hardware at the same time.

Oh and the OEM version does not come with a box.

 

[Dippyskoodlez]

If you own a full copy then After the second time you intstall it just means you have to phone up for your activation key rather than read it from the box. Thats it. Simple! It gives you a free phone number to call when you go to activate.

Indeed. I have used it several times. you just tell the computer your key, it fails, it connects you to a human, you tell them you formatted and its oinstalled on only one pc and bam done he gives you a code.

 

[infrared]

They keep getting really suspicious with me, and i got quite angry with the person on the other end for treating me like a complete tard who had just stolen a disk from another pc.

I think the reason being is that i've lost the cd key for my retail disk, so am using the key off my dead laptop. So it's only being used on one computer anyway.

The whole system sucks though. One thing that really pisses me off though, is the last time i had to phone up to get the code, i was speaking to some indian person i couldn't understand, and i had to ask him to repeat himself 7 times to get the code right... I mean, ffs