Lower performance by R7 3700x than expected

[Cekho]

Good evening,
I'm looking for a feedback/help about performances of my R7 3700x.
This issue showed up during a benchmark in game (Shadow of the tomb raider) with lowest settings to test the performance of the CPU.

As you can see from the screen, average fps are 138 and i saw much higher results for users with the 5600x, which should be pretty similar in performance (in this game more cores should led to more performance, so my 3700x should have much more FPS in average, at least in theory).
In the right-bottom corner of the screen you can see the first table column which has subpar results, meanwhile the other 2 columns have regular results.

I did benchmark with the speed test tool of PC UserBenchmark and no issue showed up. So i'm a bit confused

My specs are in my user description, but i can tell you fast:
- My GPU is 6700xt FE
- RAMs are in dual channel 3600Mhz
- Docp is enabled
- Apparently CPU isnt throttling (temperatures are around 50-60° during the benchmark and in game)
- CPU is pretty new, bought in later august this year
- during the benchmark I used only OCCT to check the temperatures, no others software.
- base CPU clock is 3.6GHz like should be

Thanks you for your time and help if you want to give some advices or suggestions! Have a nice day

 

[mtcn77]

To be honest, this is the right time to ask for your cpu cooler and search its dishing(amd ryzen ihs is concave and hence needs mounting pressure during installation for regular straight coldplate coolers), but for brevity you could check pb2 status in ryzen master. Sometimes it is activated, but not tuned right.

 

[HD64G]

To check your CPU performance, first download and run Cinebench 23 and compare with other 3700X owners. If you get lower than expected performance then you need to search more. If not, then simply the 5600X is faster in this game due to perfecting the Zen arch.

 

[kane nas]

No my friend the 5600x is better than the 3700x even in multiple threads.

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X

6/12

3.7 GHz

4.6 GHz

35 MB

Ryzen 7 3700X

8/16

3.6 / 4.4

36MB

I used to have the 3800x, here I have it at 4.6GHz, it doesn't go any further and as you can see, the 5600x is already very close to the multiple threads, so it is even more competitive with the 3700x and with oc the 5600x is even faster

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X @ 4748.89 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

[n6t6wi] Validated Dump by DESKTOP-MM6R1N2 (2021-01-18 00:06:54) - MB: Asus ROG STRIX X570-F GAMING - RAM: 32768 MB

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tweak ram with dram calculator ,only in synthetic programs you will see different in favor of 3700x

 

[eidairaman1]

To check your CPU performance, first download and run Cinebench 23 and compare with other 3700X owners. If you get lower than expected performance then you need to search more. If not, then simply the 5600X is faster in this game due to perfecting the Zen arch.

Good evening,
I'm looking for a feedback/help about performances of my R7 3700x.
This issue showed up during a benchmark in game (Shadow of the tomb raider) with lowest settings to test the performance of the CPU.

As you can see from the screen, average fps are 138 and i saw much higher results for users with the 5600x, which should be pretty similar in performance (in this game more cores should led to more performance, so my 3700x should have much more FPS in average, at least in theory).
In the right-bottom corner of the screen you can see the first table column which has subpar results, meanwhile the other 2 columns have regular results.

I did benchmark with the speed test tool of PC UserBenchmark and no issue showed up. So i'm a bit confused

My specs are in my user description, but i can tell you fast:
- My GPU is 6700xt FE
- RAMs are in dual channel 3600Mhz
- Docp is enabled
- Apparently CPU isnt throttling (temperatures are around 50-60° during the benchmark and in game)
- CPU is pretty new, bought in later august this year
- during the benchmark I used only OCCT to check the temperatures, no others software.
- base CPU clock is 3.6GHz like should be

Thanks you for your time and help if you want to give some advices or suggestions! Have a nice day

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Fill out your complete system specs on your profile, you are still missing stuff, get cpu-z and hwinfo 64

 

[Cekho]

To check your CPU performance, first download and run Cinebench 23 and compare with other 3700X owners. If you get lower than expected performance then you need to search more. If not, then simply the 5600X is faster in this game due to perfecting the Zen arch.

I run Cinebench 23 and these are my results in single and multicores:
single - 1286 pts
multi - 11987 pts
I searched for others 3700x bench comparison and i found this results:

I found others similar results in CPU-monkey site.

single:

multi:

in both cases my results are lower, in single core not too much, but the difference in multicore is significant I guess?
Not sure if this mean there is a issue or i'm just overthinking and my CPU is working normally just a little behind the average scores

Fill out your complete system specs on your profile, you are still missing stuff, get cpu-z and hwinfo 64

I added missing things

To be honest, this is the right time to ask for your cpu cooler and search its dishing(amd ryzen ihs is concave and hence needs mounting pressure during installation for regular straight coldplate coolers), but for brevity you could check pb2 status in ryzen master. Sometimes it is activated, but not tuned right.

I'm not sure if I got it: i've to install ryzen master and check if pb2 is activated and tuned right? I'm not sure which values are the "right" values

 

[eidairaman1]

I run Cinebench 23 and these are my results in single and multicores:
single - 1286 pts
multi - 11987 pts
I searched for others 3700x bench comparison and i found this results:

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I found others similar results in CPU-monkey site.

single:
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multi:
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in both cases my results are lower, in single core not too much, but the difference in multicore is significant I guess?
Not sure if this mean there is a issue or i'm just overthinking and my CPU is working normally just a little behind the average scores



I added missing things




I'm not sure if I got it: i've to install ryzen master and check if pb2 is activated and tuned right? I'm not sure which values are the "right" values

Switch to the memory tab on cpu-z and get hwinfo64

Not all systems are equal due to variables.

 

[kane nas]

I run Cinebench 23 and these are my results in single and multicores:
single - 1286 pts
multi - 11987 pts
I searched for others 3700x bench comparison and i found this results:

View attachment 219299

I found others similar results in CPU-monkey site.

single:
View attachment 219297


multi:
View attachment 219298


in both cases my results are lower, in single core not too much, but the difference in multicore is significant I guess?
Not sure if this mean there is a issue or i'm just overthinking and my CPU is working normally just a little behind the average scores



I added missing things




I'm not sure if I got it: i've to install ryzen master and check if pb2 is activated and tuned right? I'm not sure which values are the "right" values

Do not use ryzen master, overclock your processor only in the bios,go to overclock.net you will find a lot of information, pbo and pbo 2 are your friend.

 

[eidairaman1]

Do not use ryzen master, overclock your processor only in the bios,go to overclock.net you will find a lot of information, pbo and pbo 2 are your friend.

Ryzen Master is for Convenience

 

[Cekho]

Switch to the memory tab on cpu-z and get hwinfo64

Not all systems are equal due to variables.

Sorry I'm posting screenshots of them cause i dont know what infos do you need

Do not use ryzen master, overclock your processor only in the bios,go to overclock.net you will find a lot of information, pbo and pbo 2 are your friend.

I'm looking for the PBO feature, seems interesting

 

[mtcn77]

I'm not sure which values are the "right" values

We can help. Type your PPT/EDC/TDC for optimum simplicity.

 

[eidairaman1]

Sorry I'm posting screenshots of them cause i dont know what infos do you need

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I'm looking for the PBO feature, seems interesting

Look for Ryzen Owners Zen Garden on tpu

 

[mtcn77]

Sorry I'm posting screenshots of them cause i dont know what infos do you need

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I'm looking for the PBO feature, seems interesting

Don't. We are trying to disable it.

 

[Cekho]

Don't. We are trying to disable it.

I'm trying to install Ryzen Master but when i launch it, pop up an error "ryzen master drivers not installed".
I'm searching for a fix

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Nothing strange here...majority of games still prefer faster/stronger IPC(single core) then overall multicore performance.....In reality 8 (fast)threads are still enough for gaming 12 threads is plenty especially if they are fast like 5600x....Yeah one more thing 5600X also have more L3 cache(per core) to be precise 5600x and 3700x both of those CPU have 32Mb of L3 but this means that 5600x using more cache per core which is also advantage when it comes to the gaming.....

 

[P4-630]

Good evening,
I'm looking for a feedback/help about performances of my R7 3700x.
This issue showed up during a benchmark in game (Shadow of the tomb raider) with lowest settings to test the performance of the CPU.

As you can see from the screen, average fps are 138 and i saw much higher results for users with the 5600x, which should be pretty similar in performance (in this game more cores should led to more performance, so my 3700x should have much more FPS in average, at least in theory).
In the right-bottom corner of the screen you can see the first table column which has subpar results, meanwhile the other 2 columns have regular results.

I did benchmark with the speed test tool of PC UserBenchmark and no issue showed up. So i'm a bit confused

My specs are in my user description, but i can tell you fast:
- My GPU is 6700xt FE
- RAMs are in dual channel 3600Mhz
- Docp is enabled
- Apparently CPU isnt throttling (temperatures are around 50-60° during the benchmark and in game)
- CPU is pretty new, bought in later august this year
- during the benchmark I used only OCCT to check the temperatures, no others software.
- base CPU clock is 3.6GHz like should be

Thanks you for your time and help if you want to give some advices or suggestions! Have a nice day

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Probably that kind of attitude is why the masses don't adopt Linux over Mac os or Windows personally I've been using windows for nearly 30 years through the bad and good I used windows me for years so why change now.

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[outpt]

Zen 2 processors can not match the newer cpus . ipc between the two plus higher core speeds will leave the older cpus in the dust

 

[Cekho]

Don't. We are trying to disable it.

Checked the bios and pbo is in auto so i think is already disabled.

Hi , are you happen to run windows 11?...

UL benchmarks are ready for Windows 11

Find out more at benchmarks.ul.com

benchmarks.ul.com

Windows 11 General Discussion

Probably that kind of attitude is why the masses don't adopt Linux over Mac os or Windows personally I've been using windows for nearly 30 years through the bad and good I used windows me for years so why change now.

www.techpowerup.com

Hi, nope i'm running w10!

Nothing strange here...majority of games still prefer faster/stronger IPC(single core) then overall multicore performance.....In reality 8 threads are still enough for gaming 12 threads is plenty especially if they are fast like 5600x....Yeah one more thing 5600X also have more L3 cache(per core) to be precise 5600x and 3700x both of those CPU have 32Mb of L3 but this means that 5600x using more cache per core which is also advantage when it comes to the gaming.....

Well in this case the difference between my 3700x and others 5600x is like 40/50 fps, i mean i think is a bit too much.
Or maybe is ok dunno... Surely is strange (that specific game scale quite well with more cores as i know)

 

[outpt]

Look at the cpu reviews on this site and you’ll find the answers.

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Well in this case the difference between my 3700x and others 5600x is like 40/50 fps, i mean i think is a bit too much.
Or maybe is ok dunno... Surely is strange (that specific game scale quite well with more cores as i know)

50 FPS where in what game and what res?If you doing benchmarking in lower res you should expect that gap in FPS is going to be bigger and bigger........also if game is not demanding like for example CSGO then difference of 50 FPS maybe is not that much when you making overall 400 FPS.....really depends....check other games and benchmarks.....

 

[eidairaman1]

Zen 2 processors can not match the newer cpus . ipc between the two plus higher core speeds will leave the older cpus in the dust

Yes there are true archicture differences between Zen 1/1.5, 2, and 3 unlike intel's core i revisions (pushing same old shit since Sandybridge)

 

[Cekho]

50 FPS where in what game and what res?If you doing benchmarking in lower res you should expect that gap in FPS is going to be bigger and bigger........also if game is not demanding like for example CSGO then difference of 50 FPS maybe is not that much when you making overall 400 FPS.....really depends....check other games and benchmarks.....

Resolution is 1080p, Shadow of the tomb raider is the game which depends a lot on the cpu and the settings are to lower possible for the proper CPU test
The gap between 3700x and 5600x should be 10-12% for what i saw, but maybe i'm wrong

 

[outpt]

Resolution is 1080p, Shadow of the tomb raider is the game which depends a lot on the cpu and the settings are to lower possible for the proper CPU test
The gap between 3700x and 5600x should be 10-12% for what i saw, but maybe i'm wrong

By a 5900x that will solve all of your problems

 

[Zyll Goliat]

Resolution is 1080p, Shadow of the tomb raider is the game which depends a lot on the cpu and the settings are to lower possible for the proper CPU test
The gap between 3700x and 5600x should be 10-12% for what i saw, but maybe i'm wrong

Hmmm...Ok...SOTR actually using very well multicore CPU`s...I also like to test my CPU/GPU in SOTR game benchmark...there are actual topic in this forum about CPU performance in SOTR I assume that you checked that thread for comparison?

 

[Cekho]

Hmmm...Ok...SOTR actually using very well multicore CPU`s...I also like to test my CPU/GPU in SOTR game benchmark...there are actual topic in this forum about CPU performance in SOTR I assume that you checked that thread for comparison?

Exactly At first i posted my "issue" in that thread, but i didnt want to go off topic so i tryed to post there.
Actually i'm at 145 fps average up to the 138 i posted before, and other benchmarks outside the game are ok, so i guess i have to accept these results and make peace with them