Metro Exodus and no achievements on EPIC games store.

[FreedomEclipse]

I don’t think a lot sold on Steam, since that was all pre-order. Numbers of reviews is usually very representative in knowing how well a game sold, even if we don’t know the ratio. Last month there were only 4,000 or so reviews on Exodus on Steam, so it implies preorder numbers were slight.

A handful of games have ever sold over 10 million on PC, much less the 41 million you seem to feel it should be capable of. That’s not a very fair assessment at all.

THQ also wasn’t very happy with the move that Deep Silver made to EGS, and forbade them making independent moves like that again. My guess is they are eager for the one year exclusivity agreement to be gone.

Each to their own. Ive heard that the BIGGEST spike in sales since the EGS announcement was pre-orders on steam and EGS didnt get the same sort of 'crazy rush' for the game when they released it on their platform.

But then again, given how hyped up the game was, youd think for a platform that boasts about how many active users/players it has that it couldnt even sell at least 1million copies?? Let me guess all these 'active' users are just fortnight players.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Each to their own. Ive heard that the BIGGEST spike in sales since the EGS announcement was pre-orders on steam and EGS didnt get the same sort of 'crazy rush' for the game when they released it on their platform.

But then again, given how hyped up the game was, youd think for a platform that boasts about how many active users/players it has that it couldnt even sell at least 1million copies?? Let me guess all these 'active' users are just fortnight players.

Again, we don’t ACTUALLY know the sales figures. No one actually has any legitimate ones. It’s really not a case of to each his own, it’s just taking a step back and looking at the facts available, which are few. Many people though have taken special action about facts to the next level in the quest to try to make their case as they see it.

I personally know quite a few people that have the game., and everyone on here that has played it talks glowingly of it. That big spike, btw was only 24 hours. That’s a very small period of time. And it IS only what you heard.

The problem in your perspective is that no matter what the subject, be it politics or r movies or books or manufactured products or games, we rarely hear from satisfied people. Complainers tend to be vocal and thus always convey a perception of a greater percentage of numbers than they actually represent.

 

[Super XP]

EGS has already said that it sold 2.5x more than Metro: LL. THQ Said that it "exceeded expectations" but they havent really been singing it to the stars and back like most publishers would

Anyway... I read somewhere that there were 250k copies sold. Epic claims that 41million people use its platform. if only 250k people out of 41million bought the game then it sold rather badly hence they reaching out to Microsoft.

The most units sold were probably on steam when the publisher announced they would be pulling it from steam.

41 Million Epic platform users? Only when they dream. I don't trust Epics numbers because I've read somewhere that they count daily logins, where one individual would have multiple logins.

You are inferring a lot, when Epic is just as close-mouthed about sales numbers as Steam is.


Well, you are attributing the very vocal but small number of complainers as a majority. I would never make assumptions like that. Facts are needed to conclude that.

You mean a Smallnorous amount of complaints, enough to make front page PC Gaming news.
It's the fact that Epic wanted exclusivity for 1 year gives the sour taste to millions of people.

Taking the Gamers Choice AWAY and shoving it down the Arsis. That alone is enough to send a message we don't want Epic malware on our PC.

 

[Vayra86]

You mean a Smallnorous amount of complaints, enough to make front page PC Gaming news.
It's the fact that Epic wanted exclusivity for 1 year gives the sour taste to millions of people.

Taking the Gamers Choice AWAY and shoving it down the Arsis. That alone is enough to send a message we don't want Epic malware on our PC.

Come on, if Gaben has a wet fart in the morning its also front page PC gaming news, let's not act like this EGS exclusivity deal is setting the world on fire now because really, it doesn't. What constitutes as 'gaming news' is anything that is trending at the time, simply because when gamers don't game, they lurk around trying very hard not to do anything useful regardless

Average 'feeling' of the amount of internet rage is a pretty bad thing to go on if you want to relate it to actual sales numbers. Its a black box, the better half you read is lies and the other half is inflated enough to get an upvote on Reddit.

Also, gamer's 'choice' was never a thing, and no Steam wasn't all about gamer's choice either, the store exists to monopolize digital game distribution since it got big on a few Valve releases. They just have a different business model that suited their timing of getting to market, they had the advantage of doing something new at the time. Anyone who says 'for the gamers' should be shot in the face, they're just using marketing on you. Everything serves to make money, and if that can be sold as gamers' choice its bonus.

The only choices here are those you have as a consumer: buy now, buy later, or don't buy. That goes for every store and every product and EGS changed nothing about that.

Now if you don't mind Im gonna fire up one of the few dozen free games we got in the last few months out of GOG, Uplay, Origin and EGS. Who said we didn't benefit from competition? And what platform is missing from that list? Oh yeah! Damn! I wonder why...

 

[kapone32]

The only thing I get from Epic is the free games

 

[Flogger23m]

I find achievements extremely useless and boring on Steam, but Uplay gives me rewards that real life money can not buy, in-game rewards I mean. So it makes doing achievements in Uplay much more satisfying, and it's usually pretty awesome rewards.

That should be illegal. And any non-opt in pop ups (achievements) should be illegal as well. If you pay for a game you shouldn't be forced to have pop ups. Still waiting for Steam to allow you to disable them. Only been over a decade. In some instances pirated copies are superior to Steam copies because of it. I don't remember which game it was, but I originally used a pirated version and then bought a Steam copy. Steam copy was outright inferior due to the constant pop ups.

Ubisoft is a sleazy company and they're designing games like Assassin's Creed Odyssey around paying for boosters to play the game as its meant to be played as well, so their achievement scheme doesn't amaze me. Between bastardizing many game series (Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six ect.) and their bussiness practices they're making themselves the most disgusting gaming company around. At least EA has the decency to kill a game series off before running it through the mud.

Again, we don’t ACTUALLY know the sales figures.

The only thing we know is Exodus sold 2.5 times better on PC than Last Light, where as it only sold 1.5 times better on consoles. This can mean many things:

- Maybe LL was a poor seller on PC
- Maybe LL was a great seller on console
- Maybe Exodus was a poor seller on console
- Maybe Exodus was a great seller on PC

 

[rtwjunkie]

Ubisoft is a sleazy company and they're designing games like Assassin's Creed Odyssey around paying for boosters to play the game as its meant to be played as well,

This is so absolutely, thoroughly and completely false. The game can be completely and successfully played and enjoyed without buying a damned thing. I’ve put in over 275 hours on the game, so actually speak from experience.

The only thing we know is Exodus sold 2.5 times better on PC than Last Light, where as it only sold 1.5 times better on consoles. This can mean many things:

- Maybe LL was a poor seller on PC
- Maybe LL was a great seller on console
- Maybe Exodus was a poor seller on console
- Maybe Exodus was a great seller on PC

I can completely agree with all this, because we basically don’t know anything.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Metro Exodus will be coming to the Windows Store in 3 days for anyone that just won't buy it from the Epic Store there is now a second choice.

That's a worse choice, not better. (Thanks for the heads up though)

Seriously devs? Are you mocking us with this nonsense?

Allow me to spell it out for you;
GOG DOT COM

When you get on it you'll get my money, not until then..

 

[moproblems99]

That's a worse choice, not better. (Thanks for the heads up though)

And here I thought it was about choice. They doubled everyone's choices and the bitching continues....

 

[64K]

That's a worse choice, not better. (Thanks for the heads up though)

Seriously devs? Are you mocking us with this nonsense?

Allow me to spell it out for you;
GOG DOT COM

When you get on it you'll get my money, not until then..

It's all a clusterfuck at this point.

A week from now Deep Silver might announce a GOG release. Who knows.

 

[lexluthermiester]

And here I thought it was about choice. They doubled everyone's choices and the bitching continues....

It's a crap choice and an effective slap in the face to the people who have been asking for a better choice to the Epic store. People have been asking for Steam and GOG releases, not the Windows store. Eff them and their lame-duck move. It's almost insulting.

It's all a clusterfuck at this point.

It's been that way since the exclusivity thing started.

A week from now Deep Silver might announce a GOG release. Who knows.

That would be excellent! Not holding my breath though.

 

[moproblems99]

It's a crap choice and an effective slap in the face to the people who have been asking for a better choice to the Epic store. People have been asking for Steam and GOG releases, not the Windows store. Eff them and their lame-duck move. It's almost insulting.


It's been that way since the exclusivity thing started.

That would be excellent! Not holding my breath though.

So choice isn't good?

 

[lexluthermiester]

So choice isn't good?

Not when it's a crappy one. Might as well not have the extra choice at all. But that's just my opinion as I'm not a fan of the Microsoft store. Other people might like this option and I say more power to them if they like being spied on by Microsoft.

 

[neatfeatguy]

That's a worse choice, not better. (Thanks for the heads up though)

Seriously devs? Are you mocking us with this nonsense?

Allow me to spell it out for you;
GOG DOT COM

When you get on it you'll get my money, not until then..

You're more forgiving than I. I've already decided to pass on any game from any developer that is tied into an exclusivity deal, even after the deal ends and it moves to other places to purchase it from.

 

[rtwjunkie]

You're more forgiving than I. I've already decided to pass on any game from any developer that is tied into an exclusivity deal, even after the deal ends and it moves to other places to purchase it from.

Well, it’s certainly your choice, but you’ll be missing out on what really is near the peak of single-player gaming. That’s rarified air up there.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Now having no more achievements on Epic store i have a sense of emptiness.

I'm the opposite: I feel a sense of freedom for games that don't have achievements. I can play until *I'm* satisfied.

 

[Super XP]

Come on, if Gaben has a wet fart in the morning its also front page PC gaming news, let's not act like this EGS exclusivity deal is setting the world on fire now because really, it doesn't. What constitutes as 'gaming news' is anything that is trending at the time, simply because when gamers don't game, they lurk around trying very hard not to do anything useful regardless

Average 'feeling' of the amount of internet rage is a pretty bad thing to go on if you want to relate it to actual sales numbers. Its a black box, the better half you read is lies and the other half is inflated enough to get an upvote on Reddit.

Also, gamer's 'choice' was never a thing, and no Steam wasn't all about gamer's choice either, the store exists to monopolize digital game distribution since it got big on a few Valve releases. They just have a different business model that suited their timing of getting to market, they had the advantage of doing something new at the time. Anyone who says 'for the gamers' should be shot in the face, they're just using marketing on you. Everything serves to make money, and if that can be sold as gamers' choice its bonus.

The only choices here are those you have as a consumer: buy now, buy later, or don't buy. That goes for every store and every product and EGS changed nothing about that.

Now if you don't mind Im gonna fire up one of the few dozen free games we got in the last few months out of GOG, Uplay, Origin and EGS. Who said we didn't benefit from competition? And what platform is missing from that list? Oh yeah! Damn! I wonder why...

Blame publisher Koch Media for the exclusivity BS deal. Anyhow that hurt overall Metro Exodus Sales. We don't need data to tell us basic facts.
Many people own the original Metro 2033 and Last Light, on Steam. And we are all waiting for Exodus once it's available on Steam, for a discount of course, seeing how it's going to be a 1 year old game.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Anyhow that hurt overall Metro Exodus Sales. We don't need data to tell us basic facts.

And you know this “fact” based on what fact? Hate is not a fact, it’s a feeling.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You're more forgiving than I. I've already decided to pass on any game from any developer that is tied into an exclusivity deal, even after the deal ends and it moves to other places to purchase it from.

I feel you and understand your perspective. And you're right I am on the forgiving side, even though sometime it doesn't seem that way. I believe in giving people, and companies, a change to redeem themselves because change can and does happen.

For example, Nintendo. Their policy about monetization on Youtube was one of the most deplorable, greedy and anti-social moves they've ever made. After a sheer Mt. Everest of feedback, and bad press they changed their minds and their stance to be more agreeable with the public and their gaming audience. While that was going on I didn't by a single title from them, digital or physical, unless it was a used title. I know I wasn't alone in that stance. They changed and redeemed themselves in that area. Now, no worries. Boycotting works. Civilized public outrage works. So how does that apply here?

My choice not to reward the dev/publisher of Metro Exodus with money until they release the title in question on the platform I use is a tactic that can and has worked. It's already working as they'd opened it up for sale on the Windows store. Not a great choice at all, but it does show that they are willing to listen to their potential audience. Perhaps they can be made to realize that some of us do not compromise our principles and will not be enticed to.

Well, it’s certainly your choice, but you’ll be missing out on what really is near the peak of single-player gaming. That’s rarefied air up there.

That was a bit passive aggressive. While it was a valid point, everyone has the right to stand their ground and some people have different levels of commitment to their personal principles.

And you know this “fact” based on what fact?

Because of the public outrage and the overwhelming theme of comments on the web stating they are not buying or using the Epic store because of this? In this case bad-press is actually bad.

Hate is not a fact, it’s a feeling.

I didn't sense any hate in his comment. Please don't over-react.

 

[moproblems99]

That was a bit passive aggressive. While it was a valid point, everyone has the right to stand their ground and some people have different levels of commitment to their personal principles.

After playing the game, I would potentially sell my soul if I could not get it any other way. Second favorite game besides TW3. Game is absolutely fantastic. Ending pissed me off but it really makes you feel human.

 

[metalfiber]

I remember going 50 miles for a game and people holler now if you've gotta double click something different.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I remember going 50 miles for a game and people holler now if you've gotta double click something different.

You're missing the point. Some people are not going to support the Epic store(or Windows store, EA's Origin, Ubisoft's client, Etc, Etc) because of the undesired and unacceptable DRM. It's not that it's difficult, it's that it's a level of intrusion we are unwilling to accept. For people like us, if you want our money, you give us a product on our terms. Otherwise we say piss off! And we are growing in number.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

EGS doesn't have DRM unless the publisher put it in.

For people like us, if you want our money, you give us a product on our terms.

Nope. You accept *their* terms, not the other way around; it has always been that way. Rejecting their terms means no game for you.

 

[metalfiber]

Until they updated it, Metro ran it off of the exe in the game folder and the store didn't even pop up. Steam uses Denuvo and it's in house DRM so the point is what now.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Nope. You accept *their* terms, not the other way around

Not on GOG. We buy it, we own for life, we play it at our discretion.

it has always been that way. Rejecting their terms means no game for you.

Incorrect. Back in the days of carts and CD's and even some PC's, there were no EULA's.

Steam uses Denuvo and it's in house DRM so the point is what now.

Metro Exodus isn't on Steam which is what the big deal is.. And the joke of a company Denuvo is not owned by Valve, the parent company of Steam. Thinking you need to do some catch-up on events...