Microsoft Account and Internet Connection Mandatory for Windows 11 Home Setup

[KarymidoN]

I hope we can find some workarounds, i really hate this whole microsoft account sign in. Never used and won't update to W11 till we get a mod to use a local a account.

 

[newtekie1]

Mister, I am not going to argue this point with you. You are incorrect. On this matter we can just agree to disagree.

You have no idea how software licensing works if you think I'm wrong.

I hope we can find some workarounds, i really hate this whole microsoft account sign in. Never used and won't update to W11 till we get a mod to use a local a account.

Nothing says you can't use a local account after the initial setup of the OS or never even need an account if you buy the Pro Edition. You just miss out on certain, yet to be named, features apparently.

Everyone seems to not be reading what was actually said:

"Windows 11 Home edition requires internet connectivity and a Microsoft Account to complete device setup on first use," lists Microsoft as part of the operating system's requirements.

After you finish the Windows setup, switch to a local account and move on.

 

[AusWolf]

Another thing to note: now we know about the Microsoft account and possible tracking, but we still don't know what we get with W11.

Governments and companies have started putting way more emphasis on obligations rather than benefits. The world is heading in a disgusting direction where you vote for the party, or buy from the company that wants you to give up less, and not the one that provides more. Will this ever stop?

Sorry for the off.

 

[TheOne]

With Windows 11's limited hardware support it is up in the cloud on whether or not it can even overtake Windows 7's install base before Windows 10 reaches EOL.

 

[timta2]

Well, now you do, just like you need an AppleID or Google Account to use their OS, (Though you can use macOS without Apple ID, you can do anything at all since you need access to the store.)

Nothing you've said here is true and your comment makes it's pretty clear to us that you know little about how macOS works.

 

[lexluthermiester]

New Page

www.microsoft.com

If you live in the USA you do not own the product, just a license to use it.

Microsoft can claim/say whatever they want even when it contradicts legal statue and case law. Doesn't make them right and they know it.

The tools I used were Win Toolkit and VirtualBox of all things. I set up Windows in VirtualBox the way I wanted it, mounted the virtual machine drive, and used Win Toolkit to pack it into the install.wim file.

I'm not a fan of virtual machines. Wanted to test it on real hardware.

I also used Win Toolkit to remove all the extra crap and create the ISO.

Wait, that WORKED on 11? Seriously? Gonna have to give that a try..

I hope we can find some workarounds, i really hate this whole microsoft account sign in. Never used and won't update to W11 till we get a mod to use a local a account.

Right there with you!

 

[newtekie1]

Microsoft can claim/say whatever they want even when it contradicts legal statue and case law. Doesn't make them right and they know it.

The case law and legal statue supports "licensed, not sold" even in the EU. There have been limitations put in place by case law, like the ruling that licenses can be re-sold and that terms in the EULA that directly conflict with copyright law can not be enforced. But the legal precedent has been set that software licensing is just that, a license to use the software, you do not own the software.

 

[Lionheart]

Linux looking good right now.

 

[AusWolf]

@Lionheart

I assume either because the topic is Windows, not Linux, or because your comment is a blank statement without any argument. Imagine commenting "the 6700XT is a good card" under an nvidia article. Not relevant.

 

[dyonoctis]

I though that most people on TPU where using win pro, but I guess that they prefer the home version after all ? Otherwise I don't see why they would complain so much about something that they won't use.

For some people, it's actually a good thing that Microsoft is trying to have a functional online ecosystem, one of the thing I really despised with the old windows was having to spend too much time on the configuration of windows every time that I needed to reformat. They haven't reached MacOs level where the OS will also install all the previous software that you installed from the store, but the general setting are automatically carried over. And now that I use two PC, I like having the same environment/files everywhere without having to think about it, since OneDrive takes over the user folders, I didn't have to set it up on my other PC, everything was ready to use.

But the more I see people complaining, and the more I think that Microsoft just make an "enthusiast" edition that would be bare bone for the people that want that, so that they could finally try to do their own thing without being pestered. Online backup for settings or game saves is such a nice QoL to have, but I guess that I'm alone in seeing the benefits of this for the average consumer (not talking about full-bodied professionals).

A dummy Microsoft account is so easy to make, it's not as invasive as a Facebook account where they will try really hard to make sure that you are a real person... they don't even ask for your name or address.

 

[Frick]

Microsoft can claim/say whatever they want even when it contradicts legal statue and case law. Doesn't make them right and they know it.

You've never bought the software when buying Windows, you've bought a license yo use it. It's been that way since forever (hyperbole; I dpn't actually know what the licensing around 3.11 for example said). You can download Win10 directly from MS, but you still need to buy a license to use it.

I though that most people on TPU where using win pro, but I guess that they prefer the home version after all ? Otherwise I don't see why they would complain so much about something that they won't use.

Home is cheaper and Pro doesn't really offer anything for home users (unless you're for some reason running AD at home).

 

[lexluthermiester]

How is a Microsoft account any different than a Google or Apple account? I don't get it...

Google and Apple do not "require" an account to their phones, just to use the store. Android and iOS both can be used bog-standard without and account. Android has the benefit of sideloading, which means the Play Store is not needed for advanced usage. Microsoft might be trying(poorly) to this make this happen on Windows.

 

[The red spirit]

Governments and companies have started putting way more emphasis on obligations rather than benefits. The world is heading in a disgusting direction where you vote for the party, or buy from the company that wants you to give up less, and not the one that provides more. Will this ever stop?

It's really sad and unfortunately happens in pretty much industry. Happens a lot with phones, cars and simple appliances like fridges. Pretty much everything starts to suck, but if you pay extra you can get what you had back. For us computer nerds, that's motherboards. Buying a budget board is a minefield of lies, fake specs and various other deceptive shit. VRMs may suck, budget board may not work properly with high TDP CPU, it may have overheating VRMs, it may lie in BIOS, it may have fucked up default settings, it may be overvolting your CPU for no reason, it may be overclocking your CPU, it may flat out fail just after warranty. Motherboard makers are the worst, because everything they do is full of lies and deception. It's probably the only industry in which you absolutely can't trust pretty much anything that they claim (not that you can trust other industries, but motherboard makers are the worst).

Microsoft is also bad with their Windows, because you have to use Windows or don't own a proper computer. At least Microsoft lies less than motherboard vendors, but that's it. Microsoft knows that Windows ended with Windows 2000 and all their attempts to make something different or make Windows into multi-platform OS failed. Because it's sucky experience on desktop, on laptop and on tablet. And they try to copy market trends set by Apple, because Apple makes shit ton of profit, without providing a lot of value for end user, but just enough so that user thinks that they do. Obviously, Microsoft knows that updated Windwos 2000 would be one hell of desktop OS, but since there's not much cash to be made from that, they copy Apple (in terms of UI and multi-platform support) and Google (forced account log ins, heavy focus on mobile and lots of spyware). If it wasn't money and silly user "needs", we would still be on essentially Windows 2000 UI and useful, but with new bug fixes, capability increases and other under the hood improvements. Sadly, Karens won't buy grandpa's ole 90s OS, when they can get nice and sleek looking iPad just to watch YT.

Google and Apple do not "require" an account to their phones, just to use the store. Android and iOS both can be used bog-standard without and account. Android has the benefit of sideloading, which means the Play Store is not needed for advanced usage. Microsoft might be trying(poorly) to this make this happen on Windows.

Yes and no, without GApps about 30% of all Android apps don't work correctly. Technically you can avoid Google, but your experience is going to be so ass, that it's basically mandatory.

 

[TheUn4seen]

I love how Microsoft is selling turning your personal computer into spyware dumb terminal as a benefit for the user. The corpomorons who had to come up with that gibberish must be very proud of their lousy, subhuman corpo-prowess.

I'm really glad I grew out of playing games so I can just move last of my home machines to Linux and forget about this train wreck of an OS.

 

[AusWolf]

I though that most people on TPU where using win pro, but I guess that they prefer the home version after all ? Otherwise I don't see why they would complain so much about something that they won't use.

The article says Win 11 Home will need you to log in. Does that mean that Win 11 Pro won't? I'm not so sure.

For some people, it's actually a good thing that Microsoft is trying to have a functional online ecosystem, one of the thing I really despised with the old windows was having to spend too much time on the configuration of windows every time that I needed to reformat. They haven't reached MacOs level where the OS will also install all the previous software that you installed from the store, but the general setting are automatically carried over. And now that I use two PC, I like having the same environment/files everywhere without having to think about it, since OneDrive takes over the user folders, I didn't have to set it up on my other PC, everything was ready to use.

For me, the whole point of reinstalling my OS is starting a blank page. If I wanted the originally installed programs back, I would never bother to reinstall the OS in the first place.

Microsoft is also bad with their Windows, because you have to use Windows or don't own a proper computer. At least Microsoft lies less than motherboard vendors, but that's it. Microsoft knows that Windows ended with Windows 2000 and all their attempts to make something different or make Windows into multi-platform OS failed. Because it's sucky experience on desktop, on laptop and on tablet. And they try to copy market trends set by Apple, because Apple makes shit ton of profit, without providing a lot of value for end user, but just enough so that user thinks that they do. Obviously, Microsoft knows that updated Windwos 2000 would be one hell of desktop OS, but since there's not much cash to be made from that, they copy Apple (in terms of UI and multi-platform support) and Google (forced account log ins, heavy focus on mobile and lots of spyware). If it wasn't money and silly user "needs", we would still be on essentially Windows 2000 UI and useful, but with new bug fixes, capability increases and other under the hood improvements. Sadly, Karens won't buy grandpa's ole 90s OS, when they can get nice and sleek looking iPad just to watch YT.

That would be awesome! Old-school barebone Windows with the original grey 2D GUI, low hardware requirement and usage, 64-bit and DirectX 12 support, and ZERO preinstalled applications...

 

[sam_86314]

Wait, that WORKED on 11? Seriously? Gonna have to give that a try..

Nope, sorry, I was talking about how I made my debloated Win10 installer. Haven't messed with 11 at all yet.

I'm hoping the process will be similar for 11.

 

[turbogear]

For business and enterprise it will always be there, enterprise will demand it so unless they pull it from Pro which I doubt it will always be in the Enterprise version.

Yes, I think for enterprises they cannot force it.
The company where I work uses company email address to offer many cloud services within Windows 10 but it in connected to our company cloud.
They will not trust Microsoft to have all our sensitive work data on M$ cloud.

Granted, I exclusively use Pro, but what's to stop M$ from putting this requirement in all editions of Windows 11?

At home I also use Pro version, but it is OEM licence which costs around 20€.
The downside of OEM licence is that you need to get a new one if you change any HW as OEM licence is connected to particular HW setup.
Last time I switched from 5800x to 5900X Win 10 Pro needed to be re-activaed with new licence key.

I would be also really angry if they force this online account on also Pro versions.
I don't use Windows store and no cloud services at home so I don't want to link the Windows to my Microsoft account.
For data backup, I have my own Synology NAS server.

I have to say though I do own Hotmail email account since almost 23 years and it is used to connect to XBOX nowdays.

 

[The red spirit]

That would be awesome! Old-school barebone Windows with the original grey 2D GUI, low hardware requirement and usage, 64-bit and DirectX 12 support, and ZERO preinstalled applications...

That's why I'm not a businessman. I would love it too, but how exactly would you market something like that? Most people would think that you are some crazy nostalgia nerd trying to spin 90s OS as state of art OS. Karens wouldn't be happy.

On technical note, it barely matters if you have preinstalled apps and bunch of running services. RAM is plenty, so is storage space. And even if you designed lightweight OS, you can't change the software that will run on it and you can't change the internet, which is super bloated. Unfortunately making such OS, wouldn't yield much actual gains nowadays.

 

[AusWolf]

That's why I'm not a businessman. I would love it too, but how exactly would you market something like that? Most people would think that you are some crazy nostalgia nerd trying to spin 90s OS as state of art OS. Karens wouldn't be happy.

I say Karens use their phones for everything, PC is the nerds' territory who know how to configure an OS for themselves. You can't and shouldn't try to please everyone at the same time. But I guess that's why I'm not a businessman, either.

On technical note, it barely matters if you have preinstalled apps and bunch of running services. RAM is plenty, so is storage space.

It doesn't mean you should waste it on things that you don't need.

And even if you designed lightweight OS, you can't change the software that will run on it and you can't change the internet, which is super bloated. Unfortunately making such OS, wouldn't yield much actual gains nowadays.

But you can make software a choice instead of an integrated feature. If average people had to learn basic PC skills (for example, how to click on an .exe file and click "next" until you get to "installation complete") like they had to in the '90s, maybe they would be less stupid and more independent. But I guess that's something governments and companies like Microsoft don't want.

 

[Deeveo]

But you can make software a choice instead of an integrated feature. If average people had to learn basic PC skills (for example, how to click on an .exe file and click "next" until you get to "installation complete") like they had to in the '90s, maybe they would be less stupid and more independent. But I guess that's something governments and companies like Microsoft don't want.

It's a nice thought, but a lot of people don't learn these. They can barely manage to use the computer for their internet surfing and paying their bills. Sometimes you just have to dumb down things, and make them as easy to use as possible, so most people can use it without issues (most of the time). Not everyone is tech savvy, or have the time or interest to learn more about computers beyond what they need it for.

 

[The red spirit]

I say Karens use their phones for everything, PC is the nerds' territory who know how to configure an OS for themselves. You can't and shouldn't try to please everyone at the same time. But I guess that's why I'm not a businessman, either.

Yep, because enthusiast market isn't all that big compared to mobile market and MS wants the OS to be made for everyone.

It doesn't mean you should waste it on things that you don't need.

Yes, but if you tried any lightweight linux distros for those reasons they end up being disappointing.

But you can make software a choice instead of an integrated feature. If average people had to learn basic PC skills (for example, how to click on an .exe file and click "next" until you get to "installation complete") like they had to in the '90s, maybe they would be less stupid and more independent. But I guess that's something governments and companies like Microsoft don't want.

It's not that they don't want that, they just don't care about that. And as long as it doesn't hurt them, they don't give a damn.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yes and no, without GApps about 30% of all Android apps don't work correctly. Technically you can avoid Google, but your experience is going to be so ass, that it's basically mandatory.

The GooglePlay services will still run on a device without setting up an account and most apps will still run as well. I actually run a tablet in such a way, as well as a laptop with AndroidX86. No accounts, they run stand-alone. Generally no issues with sideloading apps, though there are a some exceptions.

However, I trust Google a hell of a lot more than Microsoft because Google has proven themselves far more trustworthy over the years. Microsoft is NOT trustworthy and has proven so time and time again. Forced Windows 10 upgrades anyone? That list could go on and on..

Now they're going to try and force account creation to further their business and use TPM & SecureBoot to lock everyone out of the OS so we can't remove or alter the garbage apps they include. It's more of the same BS from the ethically & morally bereft mental midgets at MS.

 

[The red spirit]

The GooglePlay services will still run on a device without setting up an account and most apps will still run as well. I actually run a tablet in such a way, as well as a laptop with AndroidX86. No accounts, they run stand-alone. Generally no issues with sideloading apps, though there are a some exceptions.

However, I trust Google a hell of a lot more than Microsoft because Google has proven themselves far more trustworthy over the years. Microsoft is NOT trustworthy and has proven so time and time again. Forced Windows 10 upgrades anyone? That list could go on and on..

Now they're going to try and force account creation to further their business and use TPM & SecureBoot to lock everyone out of the OS so we can't remove or alter the garbage apps they include. It's more of the same BS from the ethically & morally bereft mental midgets at MS.

Well, you can use your Android device without Google account, but what's the point if you keep all GApps on it anyway? Also some stupid thing like GPS service tracks you anyway and that's why some people decide to get rid of GApps completely and use something as impractical as Graphene OS.

 

[ThrashZone]

Not me. For this unacceptable act of attempted control I will be joining the movement to crack the hell of the installers and remove those requirements. I'll be sharing with everyone how to do it as well. Microsoft has finally cross the wrong line.

As you all may have guessed, the optimism expressed earlier in other threads is Gonesville!

Hi,
Yep optimism is a good thing but as far as ms management is involved, usually misplaced way too often

People don't seem to realize just because all this is about 10 home version doesn't mean pro isn't next and sort of irrelevant even "IF" someone might be able to switch to a local account later the machine's have already been tagged although they already have ip address think ms would be happy with that alone.

MS services should sell themselves if they're any good not be force fed to the masses just because ms and some kids think they're good.
Why don't I want those services :/ mostly because they don't interest me and if I did I'd install them from the store and use a ms account.

 

[dyonoctis]

The article says Win 11 Home will need you to log in. Does that mean that Win 11 Pro won't? I'm not so sure.


For me, the whole point of reinstalling my OS is starting a blank page. If I wanted the originally installed programs back, I would never bother to reinstall the OS in the first place.


That would be awesome! Old-school barebone Windows with the original grey 2D GUI, low hardware requirement and usage, 64-bit and DirectX 12 support, and ZERO preinstalled applications...

With the way that win pro is being used, in enterprise forcing a Microsoft log in would be annoying, since they are often using local credentials.
I'm only reinstalling when windows itself starts to act up, but having to reinstall every CG software that I use is a real chore, it was even worse if I forgot to copy the preference folders before hands (and that's when they have one, some software will need to be configured manually again...and all of those software programs require an online account, but they don't give you any benefits for having one...)

I say Karens use their phones for everything, PC is the nerds' territory who know how to configure an OS for themselves. You can't and shouldn't try to please everyone at the same time. But I guess that's why I'm not a businessman, either.
But you can make software a choice instead of an integrated feature. If average people had to learn basic PC skills (for example, how to click on an .exe file and click "next" until you get to "installation complete") like they had to in the '90s, maybe they would be less stupid and more independent. But I guess that's something governments and companies like Microsoft don't want.

You would be surprised to see the amount of people who are using a beefy PC for work but aren't super tech-savvy. Graphic designer, CG artist, digital illustrator... those people are too busy getting better at their craft to spend time within the depth of an OS, which is also one of the reason as to why macOS is popular in creative fields. The old windows that you love, is the windows that they hate, and made them loyal to Apple.

It's a bit of a marketing and UX decision...if you leave to a user the choice between an old habit that he's used to or having to learn a new habit that may open up more possibilities, he's going to go with what he's more familiar. Many people are not very curious, and just use what they were told/used to use instead of trying to see for themselves if x new program, device, option is good or not...so yhea you have to shove things down the user's throat at times. (Even Apple users weren't happy at first when they ditched the home button, and changed the whole navigation, but they eventually adapted)

I remember seeing people complaining about full screen phones and virtual keyboards, how they hated to type on glass... now typing on glass has become the new standard, the kids who grew up with those devices will never understand what the fuss was about. Microsoft is basically trying stuff out, look what sticks, and eventually get rid of what people didn't ended up using. (wich granted isn't ideal, but the end user doesn't always know what he really needs either. Henry Ford said : "if I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses")
Win 11 won't come with some of win 10 bloatware. Some people hate the xbox gamebar, but after using it, I actually find it more convenient to use and with a lower memory footprint than most after market programs.

Much bloat wow

I guess that I'm among the people who "grew up like this" when it comes to the Microsoft account being mandatory, in most of my tech life 90% of the software that I use are either not allowing an incognito mode, or offer a limited experience if you choose to go offline. (and since my work/field of study are closely related to social media, I have no choice but to mingle with the GAFAM).

The TPM and secure boot is already the default on some "new" laptops. My 2020 Dell inspiron is compatible with win11 with the default settings.