Microsoft to Revamp Activation System with Windows 9

[stinger608]

Plus, LOL, @Relayer, you would have to know @TheMailMan78 to realize how he gives other members crap all the time.

 

[Constantine Yevseyev]

So... Lost an account - lost everything, huh? Don't like this system much, but I can't really blame Microsoft for doing that as long as it's the most popular way of handling "protected" stuff (Steam is a "good" example).
There are even few advantages:

• An access to updated and "personalized" ISOs (for example, purchasing Windows 8 will give you Windows 8.1 and Windows 8.1 Update when they come out). No need to struggle with Windows ADK anymore.
• Easy way of "unbinding" your license if you don't need it on your current (running) system and wish to install it on another machine.

 

[Mussels]

First off I know Mussels. He's a pirating scallywag and proud of it. I didn't accuse him. I said I was willing to bet knowing his capt. hook ass's history on this forum.

Second I have a HP laptop with an APU I have installed windows on a dozen times. Never had an issue. So..........yup.

did your APU name change in driver updates? my laptop has APU crossfire, and any drivers newer than 2012 change it from being a 6K APU and a 6K dedicated, to a 6K+7K (and breaks crossfire, but without it i cant play starcraft II... so you know, im boned there)


also, pirated software will never trigger an OS to think its pirated anyway, so its totally a moot point.

 

[Melvis]

I just got told today by a friend that Microshaft are planning to drop support for Windows 7 next year? Please tell me that what I heard complete BS? as far as I know they will support it till 2020.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I just got told today by a friend that Microshaft are planning to drop support for Windows 7 next year? Please tell me that what I heard complete BS? as far as I know they will support it till 2020.

your friend is PART right. Security updates will continue until 2020, but Feature and Performance updates will be discontinued. These dates were known when windows 7 was launched. this is the same as xp, who lost performance and security updates in 2010, but got security updates until this year. its still safe to use 7 after 2015, and lets be honest, what is the chance that microsoft will extend 7 support? id bet a pretty penny that security will get extended past 2020.

 

[Kyuuba]

I'm glad they did this, so fucking piracy would have troubles hacking it.
I own Win XP 64 Genuine, Win 7 64 genuine, Win 8 64 genuine, and i will continue the support because that's the way it should be.

 

[a_ump]

I support purchasing your products, but "The war on piratism" is as successful as "The war on terrorism" and war against drugs. I see most DRM's as closing one door and opening another that has a lock on it, but all locks can be picked. Its just a waste of their resources and energy imo. Now as others mentioned i could see this way of authenticating being useful to say deauthorize before you upgrade hardware and then maybe state what you're installing/changing out parts wise. Then when you boot up next time your account will recognize the change and no issue.

It is more typing or time but i also would see that as an improvement compared to now.

 

[xvi]

 

[eidairaman1]

Sounds like always on drm to me. Also not everyone will have the internet from get go when they buy their pc. Or use it on the road.

 

[Kyuuba]

Well, thanks to hackers we are a disgrace and now we (let me clear, people who buy the product) pay for it. that's why i fully support any new security way to prevent OS from being hacked, and it'll get better eventually, you DON'T want to see Microsoft making an agreement with Intel or AMD to use some kind of technology just like e-Fuse as seen on Knox security used on Samsung devices... you don't say...

 

[Frick]

@Mussels What you are experiencing is abnormal. The rate of failure is probably pretty low considering how many legit Windows installs there is.

During my times with any Windows newer than XP I have never had issues with activating. I have had problems with stuff downloaded from H4xx000rrrlulzbay though, but legit stuff? Never. Worst case I have to activate it with the automated phone system, which really is not a big deal.


On topic though; if they make it clear how things work I really don't see a problem. There will probably be problems with communication though, that was the biggest flaw in Windows 8. And as long as there still are retail licenses it's fine by me. It just sounds like they are enforcing the EULA. Family packs better have a good price.

So... Lost an account - lost everything, huh?

It will probably happen, but WAY less than it does now with all the people living in chaos without backups.

 

[xvi]

One of my college instructors was gifted a "Teacher's Edition" book from Microsoft that included a full copy of Windows (Vista, I think?). Every quarter, he'd wipe it and show the new students how to go through the install. It didn't take long before his key wouldn't activate. He called Microsoft support, explained that he was a college instructor who was partnered with MSDN AA, he was given a copy by Microsoft themselves, and it was asking him to phone in. They asked how many machines that copy of Windows was installed on. He would rather excitedly (and comically) say "Right now, none!" and they'd fairly quickly give him the activation key.

Social engineering can be another way around activation. Windows can get pretty inexpensive if you can split it a few ways.


Continuing a topic from above, Steam-like DRM doesn't seem too bad to me. I like the idea that you just install the OS, no activation to worry about, then you buy the right to log in on your account. It seems to me like that will stop the "I've reformatted and now I can't activate" issue.

 

[Frick]

Social engineering can be another way around activation. Windows can get pretty inexpensive if you can split it a few ways.

That depends on how good the support guys are. (btw, MS can see how many times a key has been activated along with a hardware ID)

And this is why this is done btw. "Social engineering" is a perfectly normal way around a user agreement we agreed to when installing the software.

 

[WhiteLotus]

So....

You buy a disc, run the disc, then get forwarded to a Microsoft website where you then get a key, input key, then you have always on DRM there after.


Okiedokie

 

[TheGuruStud]

Call the toll-free number, and have them activated.

I keep my legit Windows copies activated the right way (even if I have to put up with excruciating 30-minute phone calls), because that's the only way you can run Windows with UEFI and Secureboot (startup in 5 seconds). Cracked Windows installations only work in legacy/CSM mode.

Nonsense. I don't use UEFI b/c it sucks, but I have a laptop here that I just reloaded fresh with UEFI and secure boot enabled. I cracked it and confirmed that secure boot is still enabled.

You're probably thinking of the old Win7 loaders. KMS doesn't need anything special.

 

[Frick]

So....

You buy a disc, run the disc, then get forwarded to a Microsoft website where you then get a key, input key, then you have always on DRM there after.


Okiedokie

What is this, the 90's? Discs.

 

[Constantine Yevseyev]

What is this, the 90's? Discs.

Oh my gosh I can't even! *gasps* Check your non-iridescent, less likely breakable, male-type interface privilege!

#SoOffendedRightNow #StopOppressingDisks #SinceWhen

 

[TheMailMan78]

I still install using a DVD. Maybe this is why I have less troubles than most?

 

[Mussels]

I still install using a DVD. Maybe this is why I have less troubles than most?

i've got XP, 7, and 8.1 on a single USB stick with a linux based UI to choose what one to launch. works perfect. i hate how noisy DVD drives are.

 

[xvi]

i hate how noisy DVD drives are.

 

[TRWOV]

I still install using a DVD. Maybe this is why I have less troubles than most?

I don't think so. Haven't used disc install for who knows how long and haven't got any issues.

I've gone through the automated phone activation once and even then the motherboard wasn't the same It was when I upgraded from my UDH3 to my current UP7 board. I was ready to use another of the $15 W8 keys I had got but tried with the one I had already used and it worked just fine.

 

[TheMailMan78]

I don't think so. Haven't used disc install for who knows how long and haven't got any issues.

I've gone through the automated phone activation once and even then the motherboard wasn't the same It was when I upgraded from my UDH3 to my current UP7 board. I was ready to use another of the $15 W8 keys I had got but tried with the one I had already used and it worked just fine.

I've changed my mother board like 5 times with the same windows code. Never had an issue. Maybe it has to do with it tied to my Outlook account? Do you by chance have an account with MS that's tied to the number? Maybe that's factor?

 

[TRWOV]

No, I don't sign up on Windows with my Outlook account. The only software that's tied to it is Office 365.

 

[TheMailMan78]

No, I don't sign up on Windows with my Outlook account. The only software that's tied to it is Office 365.

Meh. Dunno then. Only thing I can think of is user error.

 

[LAN_deRf_HA]

Meh. Dunno then. Only thing I can think of is user error.

It's system variation. I run into Windows installation issues all the time on other people's systems that I don't on mine and vice versa.