Missing Bios with ComboAm4v2PI 1.2.0.7 for MSI B450 boards

[BlaezaLite]

 

[The King]

I am sitting with the "pulled" bios for now till i see some reviews from people that tried the new BIOS as it seems to be stable for me. I feel that my cpu is a bit slower with this bios than older ones but my ram OC seems better. I will go on this system with an 5800x soon but its fun to tweak a bit the 3700x too , the bad part is that testing the RAM takes a long time.
My RAM OC looks like this now , under 66ns in AIDA, im still not happy with the 1.45v (with lower voltage i get some errors) but its stable with no errors. Ill try to go lower frequency CL 14 or same frequency CL 15 - 16 and see if i can get away with 1.4v and the same performance. ( bl8g36c16u4b.m8fe1 -> for google indexing if someone else is looking to oc same type of ram)

View attachment 254682View attachment 254683

Your TWR And RTP is off 13/12 is not good.
Try 12/6 or 12/8 a safe high TWR and RTP is 16/8

 

[BlaezaLite]

I am sitting with the "pulled" bios for now till i see some reviews from people that tried the new BIOS as it seems to be stable for me. I feel that my cpu is a bit slower with this bios than older ones but my ram OC seems better. I will go on this system with an 5800x soon but its fun to tweak a bit the 3700x too , the bad part is that testing the RAM takes a long time.
My RAM OC looks like this now , under 66ns in AIDA, im still not happy with the 1.45v (with lower voltage i get some errors) but its stable with no errors. Ill try to go lower frequency CL 14 or same frequency CL 15 - 16 and see if i can get away with 1.4v and the same performance. ( bl8g36c16u4b.m8fe1 -> for google indexing if someone else is looking to oc same type of ram)

View attachment 254682View attachment 254683

Are we on the same bios, I'm well confused.

 

[izy]

Are we on the same bios, I'm well confused.

Confused in what way? I am on V3.E.

Your TWR And RTP is off 13/12 is not good.
Try 12/6 or 12/8 a safe high TWR and RTP is 16/8

I had it with lower TWR / RTP and in a long TM5 test i had some errors ( i dont remember what were my values there ) and i just changed them to some random values as wasnt sure which of them caused the errors (the performance was the same) but ill try that too as ive changed them at the same time on my last test.

Edit: They were 12/6 , so ill try 12/8, i am guessing that RTP was the problem.

 

[BlaezaLite]

Confused in what way? I am on V3.E.

I had it with lower TWR / RTP and in a long TM5 test i had some errors ( i dont remember what were my values there ) and i just changed them to some random values as wasnt sure which of them caused the errors but ill try that too as ive changed them at the same time on my last test.

Combo AM4v2PI 1.2.0.7 That's the same but I'm on 2.GO but a different mobo too. Sorry noob moment once again.

 

[izy]

Combo AM4v2PI 1.2.0.7 That's the same but I'm on 2.GO but a different mobo too. Sorry noob moment once again.

Well the "pulled" BIOS and the new BIOS are both with AM4v2PI 1.2.0.7 (same changelog, its more like an replacement than an update) and i dont know why they pulled it in the first place , they probably changed something that was causing problems for some but i guess we will never know. Do you have the bios with AM4v2PI 1.2.0.7 released this month or the older "pulled" one from May ?

 

[BlaezaLite]

Must be the "pulled" one can't find it on the website. Maybe that why my timings are so poop compared to other peoples?

 

[izy]

Must be the "pulled" one can't find it on the website. Maybe that why my timings are so poop compared to other peoples?

On auto my timings were bad too, i changed them manually, maybe your ram can do even better than mine if you tweak them. I saw some reddit posts that some people has stability issues because of the ram with the "pulled" bios but i guess every system is a bit different, mine seems stable. (you have them at higher frequency , my CPU refuses to boot at 3800mhz)

 

[BlaezaLite]

On auto my timings were bad too, i changed them manually, maybe your ram can do even better than mine if you tweak them. I saw some reddit posts that some people has stability issues because of the ram with the "pulled" bios but i guess every system is a bit different, mine seems stable. (you have them at higher frequency , my CPU refuses to boot at 3800mhz)

Believe me, my timings are on the edge! Had some lovely people help me a lot in here. https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/ocing-my-ram.296395/ Mine are stable been TestMem5'd a few times and no errors. Your ram isn't Corsair Vengeance LPX is it? I've got that but 2 X 16GB Micron B die which are good apparently.

 

[izy]

Believe me, my timings are on the edge! Had some lovely people help me a lot in here. https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/ocing-my-ram.296395/ Mine are stable been TestMem5'd a few times and no errors. Your ram isn't Corsair Vengeance LPX is it? I've got that but 2 X 16GB Micron B die which are good apparently.

Oh , i thought they are Samsung B die , i have Micron E die , you should update your BIOS to the new one and see if it can do any better , as i said .. some people on reddit had RAM / instability problems with this "pulled" bios version and maybe this new one has better ram support, who knows.

 

[BlaezaLite]

Oh , i thought they are Samsung B die , i have Micron E die , you should update your BIOS to the new one and see if it can do any better , as i said .. some people on reddit had RAM / instability problems with this "pulled" bios version and maybe this new one has better ram support, who knows.

What the beta? I might try it and see if the ram has anything else to give with some assistance. I know, you go first and let me know!

 

[mstenholm]

To bring this thread back to, almost, topic. My 470X MSI got a “new” beta dated two days back. It was pull along with the 450Bs. I just noticed so no testing if I can get better stability on my RAM.

 

[izy]

I will try the new one in the next days , my CPU doesnt want to do 1900 FCLK no matter what i do but its probably a bad cpu and not the bios , who knows.
@The King 12/6 or 12/8 both with errors , for some reason 13/12 worked fine , im testing 16/8 now.

 

[BlaezaLite]

When you update bios it deletes your saved Bios settings yes?

 

[izy]

When you update bios it deletes your saved Bios settings yes?

Yes and to be on the safe side you should load default settings before flashing (but i think MSI boards are loading defaults anyway when you enter mflash )

 

[BlaezaLite]

Hmm. Time to take some piccys first then. Fuck it, I'll be guinea pig.

 

[izy]

Hmm. Time to take some piccys first then. Fuck it, I'll be guinea pig.

Good luck then , i am waiting for the results , usually i am just saving a pic of ZenTimings on my phone.

 

[BlaezaLite]

I sat on the sofa with my tablet and passed out... I'm getting old... Commencing bios launch!

Hate this bit...

Well I'm back with these timings from MSI "Memory Try It"

 

[izy]

tRFC seems huge you will have to tweak the timings to see if anything changed in better or not.

 

[BlaezaLite]

I know and I'm dreading it.

 

[izy]

I flashed the last bios too and nothing seems changed, the memory try it or xmp are getting same loose timings. I think that my cpu boosts a bit better now (tested only in cpu-z so far) but still seems lower than with 1.0.0.6b, ill have to do more testing.

Memory try it cl14 3600mhz with the new bios (manual voltage to 1.45) .

 

[BlaezaLite]

I was left alone with memory...

 

[izy]

I was left alone with memory...

This happens with your old ram OC settings? For me its all the same ,ive increased the ProcODT to 40ohm and everything is stable at 3733 cl 14 so far but my cpu-z score decreased for some reason, ill have to check that out why.

 

[BlaezaLite]

Don't know where you are but the heat isn't going to help benchmarks.

 

[izy]

In cpu-z benchmark i get a max temp of 72C and i was scoring 510-515 single and 5500multi and now its like 507 single and 5400-5450 multi, temp can be a problem but i dont think the room temps are higher than before , im keeping an undervolt of 0,25 on the cpu, feels like im getting worse score with an higher RAM OC (or because of the BIOS) , in PYPRIME benchmark with this settings im getting 1 second better benchmark or so but worse in cpu-z.