Multiplayer gaming and visual settings debate

[Jaffakeik]

is this game better than MAG?

 

[TIGR]

is this game better than MAG?

What game?

 

[MadClown]

so using aimhacks isnt cheating or getting an edge, its reaching your potential?

Its unfair, because its giving you an advantage that the other players do not have. If you need an advantage to win... well, i pity you for stooping that low to achieve victory.

Were did "aimhacks" come into play? What is even an "aimhack". Its not unfair, you can do it too, I still work for my kills.

F.Y.I. The only other time I ever heard the word "aimhack", was from a 9 year old kid on Halo 3.

 

[TIGR]

"Aimhack" shouldn't need any clarification. Any kind of cheat/hack that assists your aim, unless I'm horribly mistaken.

 

[JC316]

Personally, I think that anyone who cheats in a online video game is the lowest form of scum on the internet. Even below the scum that lurks at 4chan. All it does is ruin the game for the other players that don't cheat. My theory is that they have no control over anything in their lives that they feel the need to cheat online just to have something that makes them feel in control.

As for me, I am about as competitive as they come, I play for blood to prove that I am the best. If there is a game that I truly love to play, I get so good that I can beat even the cheaters, provided it's not an aimbot they are using. Combat arms is a great example, I could pretty much pwn anyone on any map regardless of their cheats.

 

[eidairaman1]

"Aimhack" shouldn't need any clarification. Any kind of cheat/hack that assists your aim, unless I'm horribly mistaken.

only Consoles need a slight Auto Aim function due to the inaccuracy of the Thumbstick pressure required to move it around.

Having Shadows in COD 4 saved my ass numerous times in SP and MP and im on a slower machine

Turning shadows on or off is a double edged sword. I have used shadows to see where people are hiding in BF2. If the game uses lighting effects properly, then max eye candy can be a huge advantage.

Doesn't this topic have many variables?

1 The game. As was posted, turning shadows off in one game allowed you to see people hiding in the now non existent shadow. In BF2, turning on shadows allows me to see people that are hidden, up against a rock or wall for example.

2 The cpu. If you have max eye candy on, then the cpu must calculate more. What if you have a cpu that won't notice the difference, an overclocked Intel comes to mind.

3 what is the game being played on? Is it a local computer or are you renting a server? Both cases depend on the power of the computer doing the hosting. I have played in games with a very low ping and few players and had lag. Other players in game have commented on it so it wasn't just me. I have also played 64 players on very high ping and had no lag.

Turning down settings for an edge seems counter productive. I play mostly for the fun of it and want to be immersed in as real a world as possible.

If you are seriously competitive or addicted, then you will use whatever advantage you can. I always check the kill/death ratio before I join a game. If somebody has a ridiculous ratio say 40+/3, I don't even consider joining that server. The person is too good/cheating and I have better things to do with my time than be a stat for that person.

 

[Mussels]

we arent talking about games with shadows on and off, we're talking about turning settings off or tweaking ini files to get an unfair advantage.

In R6 vegas 2, you can tweak ini files and turn some shader effects off - makes thermal vision and night vision 10x clearer (if uglier) and disables flash bang effects. It originated as a tweak for low end systems, and ended up being used to 'cheat' in multiplayer.

 

[MK4512]

Well, if I wasn't going to play games on high settings I wouldn't of dropped over 1k on a new rig!

If people want to play on super low settings so that they can get that slight edge, then let them. Because in the end, no matter how many tweaks a person someone puts on, it comes down to skill.

(unless it's a far cry situation like Mussels said)

 

[MadClown]

"Aimhack" shouldn't need any clarification. Any kind of cheat/hack that assists your aim, unless I'm horribly mistaken.

Thats autoaim, either follows and/or slows down your aim when your crosshair is near an enemy, not seen in proper pc shooters. Aimhacks, is a 9 year old kid term for aimbot, a cheat often injected into the exe of a game when it boots up to allow one's aim to insta snap to another's head(or any other part of the body to lower suspicion).

Class dissmissed

 

[digibucc]

Aimhacks, is a 9 year old kid term for aimbot
...
Class dissmissed

a 9 year old kid term for aimbot?
what if i were to say aimbot is a 9 year kid term for aimhacks?

aside from that being my opinion, what source of information would you cite to prove me wrong?
seeing as how this is a classroom, show your work

 

[MadClown]

a 9 year old kid term for aimbot?
what if i were to say aimbot is a 9 year kid term for aimhacks?

aside from that being my opinion, what source of information would you cite to prove me wrong?
seeing as how this is a classroom, show your work

Prove you wrong on what?

 

[TIGR]

Thats autoaim, either follows and/or slows down your aim when your crosshair is near an enemy, not seen in proper pc shooters. Aimhacks, is a 9 year old kid term for aimbot, a cheat often injected into the exe of a game when it boots up to allow one's aim to insta snap to another's head(or any other part of the body to lower suspicion).

Class dissmissed

Argue semantics with yourself—you're the only one who doesn't seem to understand Mussels' terminology. Anyway, I think (hope) you comprehend what he was getting at just fine. If it's really not sinking in, you must have missed his clear explanation:

Its unfair, because its giving you an advantage that the other players do not have.

Hence, lowering visual settings to gain an advantage others don't have is like a cheat. If you need it broken down any further, you probably need help TPU can't provide. Move on (on topic).

 

[Mussels]

aimhacks, you can shoot wildy in every direction and the rounds hit where you specify in the hack - EG, throw a knife at your feet and it hits the nearest enemy in the face for a headshot kill.

It came around in the early counterstrike days - all it took was modifying the data leaving your client, saying you'd done it.. and the server believed it.

i was using it as an extreme example of the logic some people have "anyone can do this so its ok, i do it to get an edge"

 

[Sproinket]

Lowering game settings, more specifically FPS games while your PC could likely handle otherwise is stupid now, in my opinion.

Why do you ask? Simple..

Competitive Gaming is pretty much dead. Sure, you have all these cool, fun free leagues like ECO, XPL and so forth and very few pay leagues left Cevo/ESEA. But long gone has been the professionalism of FPS games so to speak. No more Drafts, no more CGS etc

So those trying to seek an "Edge" by lowering your graphical settings via Configs (See Casey's Config for example) is kinda pointless now to me.

I used to use my custom config to lower graphics, rid the game of clutter and so forth but now I see no point in it as playing a game that seriously no longer gets you anywhere.

As most have said here now, it's much better to have fun while playing games on max settings if you can and enjoy it more visually.

Had I still been pursuing FPS games in a more serious and competitive manner like I did before with the LAN team, I'd say otherwise but now I just see it as useless.

 

[TIGR]

It may be that there is less professionalism and serious competition in FPS gaming today than there used to be (I couldn't say) but some players in public servers are still quite competitive and serious about their gaming; at very least, they are enough so that, to them at least, it's worth doing what it takes to get an extra edge.

 

[Sproinket]

It may be that there is less professionalism and serious competition in FPS gaming today than there used to be (I couldn't say) but some players in public servers are still quite competitive and serious about their gaming; at very least, they are enough so that, to them at least, it's worth doing what it takes to get an extra edge.

Oh I agree with you there, my team still plays in some leagues and I'm sure alot still use the config I gave them. To me though, there just isn't much of an edge to be had anymore, considering everyone who plays can literally have the same edge as me...It then doesn't make it much of an edge at that point.

The only true edge I see anymore in FPS games are hacks/cheats. Alot of people still use them but I am sure they have since been on the decline when alot of leagues fell through the floor...That and I haven't bothered to read up much on any of the more predominant cheats like Organner.

This coming from someone who was a CAL Anti-Cheat Admin for quite some time.

 

[imperialreign]

Oh I agree with you there, my team still plays in some leagues and I'm sure alot still use the config I gave them. To me though, there just isn't much of an edge to be had anymore, considering everyone who plays can literally have the same edge as me...It then doesn't make it much of an edge at that point.

The only true edge I see anymore in FPS games are hacks/cheats. Alot of people still use them but I am sure they have since been on the decline when alot of leagues fell through the floor...That and I haven't bothered to read up much on any of the more predominant cheats like Organner.

This coming from someone who was a CAL Anti-Cheat Admin for quite some time.

Personally - I've only seen a steady growth in cheating over the last few years (since I've gotten heavily back into FPS). Years and years ago, it wasn't much of an issue - hell, a lot of games even had some amount of autoaim to begin with (Doom, Duke3D, Quake); visuals were already fairly poor, and overall in-game "abilities" were primitive (no "perks," shooting through walls, equipment, vehicles, plantable devices, etc. etc.) . . . it was simply a matter of pointing and shooting. You picked up weapons as you went along, and everyone's equipment was exactly the same (no configurable weapon loadouts).

Sure, there were some "abuses" of occasional game glitches, but it was stuff that everyone accepted and even used as tactics some times (i.e. the lightning gun "kill all with no suicide in water" "glitch" in the original un-patched Quake - everyone accepted it, cause if you were dumb enough to follow someone into water while they had a lightning gun, you deserved the frag) . . . but the occasional issue was patched out, and everyone moved along . . . besides, "glitches" back then weren't as foobarded as nowadays. There was no "floating" in air, no "across the map" kills, etc.

IMHO, the cheating really started to pick up when games started becoming harder and harder to play . . . glitches started becoming more prevailent when advanced world geometry and physics started becoming incorporated (roughly around the Quake2 era) . . . and it's just become more of a nuissance ever since.

There's still some highly competitve players and leuges out there - but I think a lot of them have slowly transitioned over to console . . . or simply "out-grew" playing games.

 

[MadClown]

Hence, lowering visual settings to gain an advantage others don't have

They can have an advantage if they want. They have the game too.

I really don't feel like arguing any more, this thread is just full of whiners that care too much about other players, rather than the game itself. No offense, but thats what I'm getting from this.

 

[eidairaman1]

aimhacks, you can shoot wildy in every direction and the rounds hit where you specify in the hack - EG, throw a knife at your feet and it hits the nearest enemy in the face for a headshot kill.

It came around in the early counterstrike days - all it took was modifying the data leaving your client, saying you'd done it.. and the server believed it.

i was using it as an extreme example of the logic some people have "anyone can do this so its ok, i do it to get an edge"

some hit boxes on characters are not accurate, example u can shoot someone in the foot and it will kill them.

 

[Mussels]

some hit boxes on characters are not accurate, example u can shoot someone in the foot and it will kill them.

while true, i dont see how that relates to what i said?

 

[eidairaman1]

"Throw a Knife at Your Feet and It Hits you in Head" Reminded me of how some hit boxes are crude with Critical hit areas, Appendages are one thing but they should just hinder your movments, now having certain organs and then main arteries severed would kill you in few moments)

 

[Mussels]

"Throw a Knife at Your Feet and It Hits you in Head" Reminded me of how some hit boxes are crude with Critical hit areas, Appendages are one thing but they should just hinder your movments, now having certain organs and then main arteries severed would kill you in few moments)

throw at YOUR feet, and hits HIM in the head.

 

[eidairaman1]

i know what you meant about the aimbots/aimhacks/autoaim.

 

[digibucc]

They can have an advantage if they want. They have the game too.

I really don't feel like arguing any more, this thread is just full of whiners that care too much about other players, rather than the game itself. No offense, but thats what I'm getting from this.

I love how people say "no offense" and then purposely choose words guaranteed to cause offense. I'd have more respect if you opened with "disrespect intended" or something similar.

that being said. how many thousands of threads are on this board? how many varied topics? the opinion you and others have basically stated, is that yes there is disagreement, yes it happens , but any talking about it is just whining. regardless of the fact that a forum is for talking about varied topics, and a technology related forum is almost guaranteed to carry discussion of video games. As long as there are a few people older than 13, the discussion will probably reach deeper than "ZOMFG Halo3 Roxxors" ... but if it makes you feel like a cheat, we're whining. convenient.

So I have to disagree. I don't believe I have seen ANY whining in this thread, with the exception of those of you who seem to not appreciate the idea of differing opinions. I have seen rather mature people discussing a morally ambiguous idea, and being quite respectful doing it... except for you... and me

So I have to ask, in your mind - is it at all possible for anyone to discuss anything with you, while having a differing opinion - and not have you consider them "whining" ?

I'm thinking it's not. I'm thinking you are just frustrated that you have nothing useful to say, so instead you must try and debase the argument itself.

you have failed. and no one asked you to join in, so you really don't have to let us know you don't feel like it anymore. bye.

 

[MadClown]

Bye, but I would like to point out.

For me it varies from game to game, Quake like games I usually crank down the settings so I can get a high Consistant framerate(for quake based games for example, 125, 250, 333, ect...), It usually doesnt result in everything as low as it can go. I usually keep shadows on so I can see if people are running around the corner, But I turn off useless shit like bloom, HDR, SSAO, depth of field, motion blur, ect... I only have a decent rig to run games at high framerates, and the good looks are reserved for single player and gloating to my (stupid) console friends.

I see no problem in reducing the quality for optimal play, anyone who complains needs to remember, its just a game.

I thought that was a mature, well structured, decently grammatically correct, well punctuated and on topic post.