Need help with my brother's CPU

[troyrae360]

Just run prime 95, and CPUID and take the screenshot

 

[Eon the Wolf]

Well I need a link to Prime 95 then, because the link listed is 'unavailable' aka rejected by the site...
EDIT: 46 to 62 C is the min to max for 'CPU' under ECS C19A-SLI. ATM, its at 59.
Mobo is 47-48 C. Currently at 47.
Im listing this because I have to get off his pc for the night. I hope thats the right info, and for now thatll have to do. If you guys cant do anything with it...tell me how to find Prime 95 on the site, and Ill get it tomorrow.

 

[Bundy]

My brother said after the continued attempts to blame it on the GPU & Norton, and he says I can quote him xD;
"This isnt a medical drama. You aren't House. Give me (Him) other options".
EDIT: Pagefile isnt VRAM right? How do I check it?
And Id check the RAM, but alt tabbing a Source game is a very bad idea, and half of the games are either very intesive and hard to alt tab out of without even more lag, or even laggier in windows mode....or the other half, which are source games x.x

control panel>system and maintentance>system>advance system settings>select advanced tab>performance settings

 

[Eon the Wolf]

Total paging file IS 2046 MB -.-

 

[driver66]

EDIT: 46 to 62 C is the min to max for 'CPU' under ECS C19A-SLI. ATM, its at 59.

If you are just sitting there typing and it's at 59 C , You have problems

 

[Eon the Wolf]

Yeah thats what I thought too...But my bro, my friend, my 2nd friend and my bros friend whos Microsoft certified all state that that temp range is normal for a 9600 so....and you're the only one on this forum so far who has expressed shock at it so.....

 

[driver66]

Yeah thats what I thought too...But my bro, my friend, my 2nd friend and my bros friend whos Microsoft certified all state that that temp range is normal for a 9600 so....and you're the only one on this forum so far who has expressed shock at it so.....

That would be normal for a 9600................. but you said that was the 'CPU'

 

[Eon the Wolf]

Ah. Yeah, but even in a game, it only goes to 62....But if CPU temp is the issue, then I dunno...maybe thermal paste went bad or heatsink died....I'll tell/ask him.

 

[TheMonkey]

....You folks really aren't reading are you? He does not want to remove Norton or test if it's it unless there's proof. That means ruling out most other possible causes. Like I've been asking for help on doing....WHAT ELSE, besides NORTON, could CAUSE this sort of issue?

I'm sorry but this is just plain rude. You came here because the ppl in this community have knowledge and experience that you and your brother don't seem to have. When you ask for help, even if it is going in a direction you may think is wrong you should try it. Thats why you posted here, to try and fix your problem. Unless of course you posted here so you could only try things that you and your brother think are the problem.

I was planning on trying to help but instead I felt the need to express my distaste for this type of attitude on these forums.

Tell your brother that yes he is right, this isn't "House" and he (your brother) doesn't seem to have the correct PC health care plan and all coverage of this support has been dropped. He will be billed.....

Seriously tho, ppl are trying to help you for free. They are offering their time and efforts to help someone they don't know out of kindness, have a little respect for these people.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

Honestly I 'm done here your rude....

You need to learn how to read here is a quote from my original post 2 DAYS AGO

"If the PC is 2 years old you most likely need to replace the CPU TIM and dust
you could also download CPU-Z HW Monitor so we could see all of your temps
http://www.cpuid.com/hwmonitor.php

OH and he is some good software for screen captures
http://www.techpowerup.com/tpucapture/ "

CPU TIM by the way is thermal paste I mentioned this 2 days ago you simply did not understand or dismissed this for some reason....

A simple screen shot would have helped determine if Temps were your problem..

which is why I asked for you to post ONE so we could quickly Figure out the problem...

Besides old or bad TIM something may be set incorrectly in the Bios which could cause problems
Again a simple screen shot would have narrowed this down Very quickly.

either way I'm done

I seriously think you should consider doing what is asked When someone offers to help you narrow down problems... they are not asking to be an ASS they are asking to Help YOU

 

[Goodman]

I think he got one of these 2 problems (or both) heat & lots of shits in his computer as for psu i doubt it but then again could be the psu because it's overheat for having to much dusts in it...

I clean up lots of computers & some repares & you wouldn't believe how much dusts i can get out of the PSU alone

That included Norton...

Did you or your bro tried to clean the inside of the case with a can of compress air , like i told you to do in post#8?

To bad you & your bro doesn't want some good free software advices , my guess is that you bro d/l the files from P2P & caught a virus & said f*! free softwares they are all shit!...

Yeah! that what happens when your a noob at P2P or with a pc in general... (sound rude? maybe you deserved it...)

Anyhow if you or your bro ever change your minds ... i'll post the good links for the good softwares , i would advice you guys to do a good clean up with these softwares but i would first uninstall Norton crap , your pc will run faster in general without it.

Anti-virus (choose the one you want out of these 3 , wich you can buy anyway if you don't want the free version)

Avast free
http://www.avast.com/free-antivirus-download

AVG free
http://free.avg.com/ww-en/homepage

Avira free
http://www.free-av.com/

Anti-spywares

SuperAntiSpyware free
http://www.superantispyware.com/superantispywarefreevspro.html

Ad-Aware free
http://www.lavasoft.com/products/ad_aware_free.php

Once you take care of Norton & do a good clean up with these softwares your pc will run faster & make sure you take those temps down by cleanup the dust & replace tim as needed

That is my last post here (this thread of yours) i'm getting tired of helping out someone that doesn't want to listen to good advices & not to mention you're a bit rude but i guess that because you're a teen , maybe?

Anyhow good luck! to you & your bro..you'll needed

 

[Molignar]

Well, according to him, even after reformats (AND BEFORE NORTON IS INSTALLED) It runs relatively this slow. Thats why Im saying its not norton, and I dont think its GPU. I came here asking if it was CPU related, and how I can check for CPU related issues, but so far I've only had help in regards to telling us to take off Norton because 'it sucks' in terms of memory suckage or what have you or that the GPU might be overheating.
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Troy - It was a joke x.x. Next time, remind me not to crack a joke in here.....

I'm not sure if it's been suggested yet, but have you tried running something like RealTemp and say IntelBurnTest to test the overall system stability and whether or not your having heat related issues? Was the system recently taken apart or wires disconnected and maybe got reconnected wrong or not at all? I understand that you don't think it's software but it's very hard to diagnose your problem based on "how can I check for CPU related issues" or "give me more options" There's so many "options", you'll get lost in them. However, if you don't try any of them or don't want too, I don't see how you'll get any answers. We might be knowledgable, but we're not psychic.

 

[Eon the Wolf]

Well, I didn't know thermal paste was called CPU TIM. If I'm such a noob at computers (which I am, I don't deny it), then don't use acronyms that I may not know yet.
I apologize for the rudeness, its just when you ask for other options just to clear them out of the way because the brother won't allow it...I really don't expect or want to be told 60 times in a row to do it anyway, or to do the same thing. This isnt my PC. I don't have free reign on what I can or cannot do. I came here to ask for whatever help I could be allowed by my brother to do. He trusts his friend, whos coming down....when he can, more than a forum he's never been to. It's expected, but it puts a limit on what I can do to test stuff. That means, in his rules, free software and virus protection and scans and uninstalling a year of Norton he just paid for is flat out unless he has evidence Norton itself is causing the issue.

I have checked CPU temp and listed it a few times, and it's been quoted once or twice. It apparently goes to 59C when idle. Now, someone said that's bad for a CPU. So I figure it might be heatsink, dust, or thermal paste as someone said earlier. But I didnt know what 'CPU TIM' meant so...

I apologize for the rudeness, but I kept saying that if it involved removing Norton or installing free virus detection or adware protection or w/e, it was out of the question on account of my brothers orders. I was asking if there was anything I could do to check without removing Norton or installing programs my bro wouldn't allow. You guys kept telling me to do the same stuff or remove the same program over and over when I repeatedly said he wanted to know if there was anything else. If there really were so many options, why was I never told of any others. The only possible starting things I've received are;
Norton being removed
GPU/CPU temp being tested
Paging File
Defrag rate
and maybe 1 or 2 others or so.

Again, I apologize if I was overly rude, but I was being frustrated at the fact that I consistently asked for help, and constantly stated/reminded those patiently trying to help me that some things were 'un-removable' or 'not able to be installed'....so to speak.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

I would actually look for a HSF "heat sink fan" CPU COOLER Replacement if your Idle temp is at 59c


Listen I can tell your Frustrated but you seem to be the Tech minded person in your house and you know what that means...
It means your most likely gonna be the person that gets bothered when something goes wrong..
So if I were you I would not simply make this your Last post... You should make this the First of Many..Stick around and Learn some
There are Industry programers here as well as several actual IT's not to mention Some of the Best Hobbyist around....

I think you would be surprised on How much better you can get your system running with help from people here..

BTW..
Welcome to TPU

 

[troyrae360]

Did you run Prime 95 and see what cpu temps went up to? why dont you do it and post a screenshot?

 

[hat]

TIM just means Thermal Interface Material... it's anything from MX-3 thermal paste to the little pad things that you find on gpu memory so it makes contact with the heatsink.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

Do you know if that CPU is the PentiumD 820 or 920

 

[Eon the Wolf]

Yes I am the tech minded one :/.
And I plan to stay. This also isnt my first post. That was over in System building advice or w/e. Getting folks to help me fix my computer with some nice stuff once i get the money in Feb.
I didn't post SS, no, but I did post the CPU range. I can take a SS now. I'll be uploading it to my own file thing though. No need to have yet another program installed for something so simple. Gimme a few.
And it's the 920.
EDIT: Actually, he plans to upgrade whenever he can. We're just lookin for ways to make it work better until then. When his friend comes down...hopefully AFTER I have my own pc parts ready to be installed, as I cant, and dont trust myself to, install....Anyway, his friend will come down when he can, and hopefully have some thermal paste or something we can use that might help. This CPU is 3 years old n he never replaced the thermal paste so....
EDIT EDIT: The pic is bout 5 minutes or so after a game of L4D2. Earlier I had tried ME2, and with some tweaks in the .cfg I can make that work no problem....I think. But atm, that was SS'd as 'idle' at that point...

 

[troyrae360]

Yes I am the tech minded one :/.
And I plan to stay. This also isnt my first post. That was over in System building advice or w/e. Getting folks to help me fix my computer with some nice stuff once i get the money in Feb.
I didn't post SS, no, but I did post the CPU range. I can take a SS now. I'll be uploading it to my own file thing though. No need to have yet another program installed for something so simple. Gimme a few.
And it's the 920.
EDIT: Actually, he plans to upgrade whenever he can. We're just lookin for ways to make it work better until then. When his friend comes down...hopefully AFTER I have my own pc parts ready to be installed, as I cant, and dont trust myself to, install....Anyway, his friend will come down when he can, and hopefully have some thermal paste or something we can use that might help. This CPU is 3 years old n he never replaced the thermal paste so....
EDIT EDIT: The pic is bout 5 minutes or so after a game of L4D2. Earlier I had tried ME2, and with some tweaks in the .cfg I can make that work no problem....I think. But atm, that was SS'd as 'idle' at that point...

Thanks for the screenshot, can you run prime95 and check the temps again (while prime95 is running) and take another screenshot of it?

 

[troyrae360]

you can get it from here http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=103

 

[Deleted member 67555]

Critical Temps for Pentium D-temps when the CPU fails

What are the Temps like when nothing has run for awhile...

Pentium D's ran hot BTW but if I remember right my PD920 idled at 37c and a max temp of 51c


Ok i remember at least 25fps with a PD920 and a Hd2600xt on HL2....

your brother should definitely be playing L4D rather smoothly at medium settings with that setup....

 

[Eon the Wolf]

When nothing has run for awhile or when it starts up might be round 50 I think...Never checked after it being off for awhile cause he usually turns it on when he wakes up, and im not allowed to get on/check/be up here for at least an hour or 2 after that.
Well, its likely the Thermal paste may have stopped working. It's 3 years old, and the thermal paste was never replaced. And a GPU fried between now n the time the CPU started being used, so it survived that....
Also...how the hell do I get Prime95 working? This looks like what hardcore people who know what they're doing use...I didn't understand a damn thing of how to work it.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

Right click and "run as Admin"

 

[Eon the Wolf]

No I mean..It's open...but I have no idea what to run or what to do. It was talkin bout Gimps n workers n I had NO idea :/

 

[Papahyooie]

uninstalling a year of Norton he just paid for is flat out unless he has evidence Norton itself is causing the issue.

The problem here is that the only way to get evidence that norton is causing it is to remove it and see if the problem goes away... i understand its your bro's computer, but apparently you need to tell him what we're telling you: if you dont want to do what it takes to find the problem then you dont deserve to have it fixed.

Looks like to me that your problems are almost certainly due to norton or heat. ANY experienced techhead will tell you that norton is terrible, resource hogging, and overly intrusive. If a client asked me what was wrong with thier computer and I saw they had Norton on it, that would be the FIRST thing I tried.