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#1
hey guys,

i just wanted some help with building a new rig and need some expert advice.

this is my list of the things i WANT to put in my computer,

Dual 768MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ 8800 Ultra - SLI Enabled or maybe dual 512 ?? not sure
Intel® Core™ 2 Extreme or maybe a Quad core
4GB DDR2 RAM
Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium with TV tuner

Intel® Desktop MotherBoard D975XBX2
20X Dual-Layer DVD±RW w/ Light Scribe
Killer K1 Gaming Network Interface Card
Ageia PhysX PCI-Express Processing Unit w/ 128MB
High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio

if you are wondering what the hell is a gaming network interface card....... it is a card that reduces you lag while playing online and makes your online experience ALOT better.


so if you guys can give me expert help with choosing parts then it will be very much appreciated.
 

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Dual 768MB NVIDIA® GeForce™ 8800 Ultra - SLI Enabled or maybe dual 512 ?? not sure - why not get a xt and oc it a bit? it woud be the same, and 1 is plenty
Intel® Core™ 2 Extreme or maybe a Quad core - a q6600 G0
4GB DDR2 RAM - seems fine
Genuine Windows Vista™ Home Premium with TV tuner - fine
Intel® Desktop MotherBoard D975XBX2 - not sli compatible and old chipset, if you wan't sli look for the i680 boards
20X Dual-Layer DVD±RW w/ Light Scribe - fine
Killer K1 Gaming Network Interface Card - waste of money in my opinion
Ageia PhysX PCI-Express Processing Unit w/ 128MB - wait for ati and nvidia options
High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio - onboard or dedicated?

ps: are you going to oc
 

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#3
hey man thanks for the help but some things i dont understand?

why not get a xt and oc it a bit? it woud be the same, and 1 is plenty

what is XT and OC..... sorry not good in abbreviations.

q6600 ok

Ageia PhysX PCI-Express Processing Unit w/ 128MB - wait for ati and nvidia options......... so what does the Ageia support. and is it even worth it ??

High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio - onboard or dedicated?

Onboard ?
Dedicated?

sorry im just a 15 year old boy who likes computer alot so sorry for my questions.
 

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lol
my bad
i meant gtx, is one of the 8800 series model
there's the gts, gtx, and ultra
the gtx are just overclcoked gtx
if you have the money the ageia might be worth for a couple games
if that High-Definition 7.1 Performance Audio is the motherboard sound, or is a dedicated card, like creative and auzentech cards

ps: do you know what overclokc is?
 

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#5
lol know i now what oc is..... lol i know what is Over clocking but i didnt realise it that you abbreviated it....lol

yeah i have heard of the 8800 series and is there a 8800 with 1 gb of memory ?? if there is then i wont buy dual ill buy 1 then.

the sound card is i think dedicated.... it is a card that you put in the motherboard, you know what i mean.

but if i overclock then i need liquid cooling system right ?? , beccause if i dont have a liquid cooling system then my card would get pretty hot and burn.

and thanks for the help.
 

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you dont nesecerily need water cooling,it depends how much you oc.also the sound is integrated on the motherboard.if your only getting one graphics card,why not consider the auzentech prelude sound card?
 

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hey man is the auzentech prelude sound card good and is it worth it....... and if i oc my graphics card what would acutually happen ??

would the memory increase or wat ?
 

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if you oc your gfx card, it will run faster, and games run at higher fps (frames per second) wich is good
no mem size increase
ps: what's your monitor size?
 

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i think my screen size is 17" but im thinking of getting a 20" or 22" so yeah.

and is the auzentech sound card worth buying and does it deliver good sound quality ??

and yea thanks for helping
 
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#10
Don't get a Core 2 Extreme. Overpriced for nothing more than unlocked multipliers.

Motherboard needs changing. No SLi, BIOSes are generally locked so you can't do anything with them.

Graphic cards, get GTXs, Ultra's are a total waste of money.

Killer K1, nice idea, but unless you are a serious gamer it's a waste of money, spend it on something to make your PC run smoother. And no, it doesn't make it a LOT better, it makes it a bit better and allows you to download at the same time as playing games with no noticeable drop in ping/latency. (I have tried one out so you can't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about)

Ageia, hmm, I want one purely because UT3 uses it, but expect for that it's worthless IMO.
 

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hey pt u said the intel motherboard was not sli compatible. so i found a Nvidia mother board called the NVIDIA nForce 680i LT SLI mother board.... and i think it has Sli compatibiliy and good overclocking........... so can u have a look at it and see if it is good.....

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Id personally wait until nVIDIA releases their G92 series of cards next month. I think they are going to be DX10.1.

That killer NIC card is a waste of money.

I have a friend in the UK that just bought a AGEIA Physx card and he said that its a total waste of money. He said all it does is add some particles here and there and gives a guy being shot a ragdoll effect. He returned it for a refund. So I would say that is a waste of money as well.

Arent all Core 2 Extreme CPU's a quad core?

SLi is pointless if you dont have a high resolution monitor of at LEAST 1600x1200. Any resolution lower than that and you are just wasting money. SLi and Crossfire are (again) meant for high resolution monitors that struggle to play games at high settings with one video card.

Get a P35 or better chipset that supports SLi IF you do have a high resolution monitor and you utilize SLi or Crossfire*.

*Crossfire is AMD/ATi's answer to SLi
 
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hey pt u said the intel motherboard was not sli compatible. so i found a Nvidia mother board called the NVIDIA nForce 680i LT SLI mother board.... and i think it has Sli compatibiliy and good overclocking........... so can u have a look at it and see if it is good.....

thanks
So long as the chipset isnt an Intel, it will support SLi. However, Intel chipsets DO support Crossfire.
 
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hey pt u said the intel motherboard was not sli compatible. so i found a Nvidia mother board called the NVIDIA nForce 680i LT SLI mother board.... and i think it has Sli compatibiliy and good overclocking........... so can u have a look at it and see if it is good.....

thanks
680i LT is the little brother of 680i. My only concern with 680i LT is they may not have the grunt to overclock a quad core. You should be looking for a good 680i motherboard for overclocking and sli. For overclocking, you don't need liquid cooling a good air cooler and fan will do just fine.
 

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What is your price range? Heck, if you can afford 2 ultras, I say go for it! Anyways, give me a price and I'll or we'll all build you something and explain along the way.
 
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What is your price range? Heck, if you can afford 2 ultras, I say go for it! Anyways, give me a price and I'll or we'll all build you something and explain along the way.
I was just about to get on here and suggest the same thing.

If he wants, a few of us can throw together a rig for him and he can pick out what one he likes best. Hell he could even nit pick at everyones suggestions and build a rig that way.
 

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hey guys thats a really good idea... y didnt i think of that before.. well my price range would have to be $3,000, a little more or little less is fine but it has to be a good computer.
 
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Does that involve a case, hard drive, and optical drives?
 
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Here is what I have thrown together.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822135106 x2 for RAID 0 (throw your OS on here along with music, apps (such as office AIM, etc) and what not)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822136055 x2 for RAID 0 (throw your games only on this drive and loading times will be a breeze)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822136178 (you could use this solely for backup or split it in half and put a secondary OS on it)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814130072 (get one of these because you cant do SLi on x38 chipset or any Intel chipset)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16829102005 (i have the non fatality version and it is awesome!)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817341003 (phenomenal PSU. I have this one and they are based off of FSP PSU's)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16835118010(gotta (have the thermal paste)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820231065 x2 (i have two sets of this ram as well and they are very nice overclockers)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813131219 (mobo with the latest chipset)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16835704001 (help cool the ram off to get an even higher OC. Not sure if its big enough to cover all four slots or not)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16835106102 (CPU HSF, I have this and I like it alot. Keeps my B3 at resonable temps. Its up to you if you want to switch it out)

http://www.newegg.com/product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819115027 (whats a system without the CPU. Quad core baby!)

Total price excluding shipping comes to $2,397.85.

Pretty damn good rig if you ask me.
 
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Just to have everything on the table, you can run SLi on that board (xbx2) with modified drivers. Not meaning to complicate things.
Those boards, if you're still interested, are as solid and trouble-free as they come.
 

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I'd not worry about a quad core yet, unless you run a million programs at once they are rather useless compared to a dual core which is in essence, enough for your average user. You've not mentioned where you are from, if we are to help you making systems and giving you prices it'd help to know where abouts you are.
Two ultras or two 768mb GTXs are a waste of money when the new line from both graphic companies are coming out soon, so just get one. If gaming and overclocking is your thing then I can't see why you'd pass a DFI board. They are designed to be overclocked to the limit basically. Some people mightn't think recommending a DFI board is a wise idea if you don't have a great deal of experience in overclocking and what not but I honestly cannot think of a better, more stable board to be doing it withm even if you are learning bit by bit.

So, telling us where you live would help. No point of us making you a list of computer components for $3000 USD if you live in Tasmania for example.
 
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Woah Mama! calm down, first of all he doesn't know that much about computers, just read through the dialog to this point, second dfi is not for the feint of heart, i remember countless hours on the forums over at dfi-street when it was still that trying to fix random issues and tweaking it. He needs a good board that will offer him plenty of features, imho that would be the striker extreme from asus, as for cpu get a quad core why not. make sure you get 2 gigs of decent(crucial is good) memory, get one 8800gtx(its just an ultra with slower clocks, and not that much slower at that), Get a decen case and do either a mild water cooling kit or a nice air kit, zalman, freezer7, other then that don't think about the technicalities, just do it right and keep practicality in mind, my 8800gts on my am2 4600cpu at 3.0 does just fine for everything i'm running vista ultimate without a hitch, supreme commander, unreal 3, wow, wic, and almost every other game i play, plays just fine at high settings at 1280x1024 which is my default rez on my lcd. so just be smart and let us help you but don't let people berate youf or anything. also you are on the forums so that means your on a computer, it's always nice to know where our friends are living, perhaps if you update this stuff like signature, system specs, location, we'll be better able to assist you. thanks and happy geeking
 
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I'd not worry about a quad core yet, unless you run a million programs at once they are rather useless compared to a dual core which is in essence, enough for your average user. You've not mentioned where you are from, if we are to help you making systems and giving you prices it'd help to know where abouts you are.
Two ultras or two 768mb GTXs are a waste of money when the new line from both graphic companies are coming out soon, so just get one. If gaming and overclocking is your thing then I can't see why you'd pass a DFI board. They are designed to be overclocked to the limit basically. Some people mightn't think recommending a DFI board is a wise idea if you don't have a great deal of experience in overclocking and what not but I honestly cannot think of a better, more stable board to be doing it withm even if you are learning bit by bit.

So, telling us where you live would help. No point of us making you a list of computer components for $3000 USD if you live in Tasmania for example.
Quad cores are becoming faster supported than people may realize. Most all the new games that are coming out within the next month or so will support four cores or more. Supreme Commander currently does, Crysis will, Alan Wake will, not sure about GoW or CoD4 as I havent really looked into it. However, if you are interested in encoding and what not, then you might as well go a quad core because it takes me about an hour and 12 minutes to encode an entire DVD.
 
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#25
LMAO! :roll:

You can tell emotion through text on a computer screen? Maybe you are a mage :ohwell:

Just having my say, just like you are having yours. Regardless of what either of us have said, Rey17 will make up his own mind on the components he does eventually get. Your 'humble' or 'honest' opinion is recommending an Asus Striker, basically the most expensive 775 board around. If you read what I previously posted, I had already said that some people may not agree with recommending a DFI because of its in-depth bios. He doesn't need water cooling if he is just starting with computers and learning overclocking. You finished of by repeating the same question I was simply asking Rey17 earlier.

Anyway I'm not here to argue, but please don't authoritatively tell me to calm down just because you misunderstood or misinterpreted things I post. I'm off for my coffee.