New Build -- Sort Of

[Gmr_Chick]

Greetings everyone! It's been...quite a while since I was last here, and it's been an extremely difficult year and a half for me in particular. Long story short, I lost my father in June of 2018 due to catastrophic complications from undiagnosed colon cancer. He was my buddy and my rock. My world, really. Not only that, but he hated leaving things "stock", a quality I'm sure many of you can appreciate and understand. Anyway, before I start crying, I've come to you guys because I want to do a tribute build to my dad, as well as to the muscle/performance cars he loved so much -- those made by Saleen.

^ Next to me, that car was his pride and joy and we both loved it, affectionately referring to it as "Gossie" (Gossamer) after the red monster from the Looney Tunes cartoons, lol. And it was a red monster, indeed.

BUDGET (and country you are buying them in): $1200-$1500 (USD)
PURPOSE OF THE BUILD: Gaming (Some AAA stuff -- Wolfenstein, Far Cry 5, Jedi: Fallen Order, etc on High settings. Sims 4 on Ultra), image editing (I use GIMP exclusively), Blender (CC creation for The Sims 4), Everyday computing (productivity, movies, etc.)
ITEMS YOU NEED/ALREADY HAVE: I'll be reusing my Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero X370 (already updated the BIOS so the board is now Ryzen 3000 ready), my Crucial MX500 256 GB SSD (primary boot drive) and my 1TB WD Blue HDD (for storage), as well as my Seasonic FOCUS 850W PSU and my optical drive because, yes, I still enjoy watching my movies on DVD lol. I'll also be reusing my ASUS PCE-AC56 dual band wi-fi adapter. My primary upgrades will be the CPU, RAM, GPU, and a new 1440p 144hz display.

With this in mind, here is build option #1 (AMD CPU/Nvidia GPU)

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterAir MA610P 53.38 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.89 @ Amazon)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5 g Thermal Paste ($4.95 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.94 @ Adorama)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card (Newegg is currently asking $585 give or take)
Case: Cougar Panzer Max ATX Full Tower Case ($159.90 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus ROG Strix XG32VQ 31.5" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($469.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1034.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-24 21:25 EST-0500

Option #2 (AMD CPU and GPU):

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterAir MA610P 53.38 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.89 @ Amazon)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5 g Thermal Paste ($4.95 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.94 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card ($449.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cougar Panzer Max ATX Full Tower Case ($159.90 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus ROG Strix XG32VQ 31.5" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($469.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1484.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-24 21:31 EST-0500

The final option pairs a Ryzen 7 3700X with an MSI RTX 2060 SUPER:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($324.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterAir MA610P 53.38 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.89 @ Amazon)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5 g Thermal Paste ($4.95 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.94 @ Adorama)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB GAMING X Video Card ($409.99 @ B&H)
Case: Cougar Panzer Max ATX Full Tower Case ($159.90 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus ROG Strix XG32VQ 31.5" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($469.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1589.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-24 21:35 EST-0500

OVERCLOCK OR NOT?: Nope, not really for me. And I'm fine with it

So, TPU, your thoughts?

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

missing the motherboard in all of them, the x570s are a bit pricey, but better than the x370 due to PCIe-4.

 

[mbeeston]

first option is 1,619.65 not 1034..65, dunno where it got that...
but honestly.. probably would go for the 2nd option.
don't think the 2060 super is quite up to the monitor, the 5700xt would be and the first is over the 1,500 budget.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

I'll be reusing my Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero X370 (already updated the BIOS so the board is now Ryzen 3000 ready), my Crucial MX500 256 GB SSD (primary boot drive) and my 1TB WD Blue HDD (for storage), as well as my Seasonic FOCUS 850W PSU and my optical drive because, yes, I still enjoy watching my movies on DVD lol. I'll also be reusing my ASUS PCE-AC56 dual band wi-fi adapter. My primary upgrades will be the CPU, RAM, GPU, and a new 1440p 144hz display.

That's why the mobo and a few other parts are missing from the PC Part Picker lists, y'all. I only listed the parts relevant to my situation, which is a partial upgrade and not a completely new build (the idea I have in my head prompted a new case and I'm quite frankly so tired of fighting with the front and side panels of my current case everytime I need to do anything inside the case)

Along with the CPU, RAM, GPU and monitor, I'm going to install a 2nd SSD, so that's why it was included on the lists.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Also, I'm thinking of ditching the ASUS ROG Strix monitor I listed in the PCPartPicker lists and going with the GIGABYTE AORUS CV27F instead. I currently have my dad's old 1080p 32" curved Acer monitor (which is starting to show all these bright white spots in places), but sometimes I wonder if it's a bit too big considering how close I sit in relation to it (16" at most) -- I have piss poor vision so text and icons have to be scaled up quite a bit, and I can do my gaming only at 1080p; anything over that and I have trouble seeing the bits and bobs on screen.

So, is the AORUS CV27F a good choice?

 

[ne6togadno]

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600X 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor ($204.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Scythe FUMA 2 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($98.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.94 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card ($449.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cougar Panzer Max ATX Full Tower Case ($159.90 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus ROG Strix XG32VQ 31.5" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($469.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1508.79
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-29 02:33 EST-0500

fixed 2nd build for you.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

So, the good news is, I don't need a new motherboard for the 3600 I bought the other day -- the BIOS update I did to my Crosshair VI Hero well in advance worked like a charm -- was able to POST and boot into Windows without issue. Next thing I need to worry about is buying new and compatible ram -- or does Ryzen 3000 not really suffer from RAM compatibility issues like the 1000 did? I've checked ASUS most recent QVL for the VI Hero but, as usual, it didn't really help me much.

Also, is it just me, or is the boxed 3600 fan smaller than the one that came with the 1600? Compared to my 1600 fan, the new one looks like it went on a diet or something. I mean, ultimately it doesn't matter because I'm not going to use it anyway, but it was something I noticed almost immediately upon seeing the box.

 

[biffzinker]

Also, is it just me, or is the boxed 3600 fan smaller than the one that came with the 1600? Compared to my 1600 fan, the new one looks like it went on a diet or something

It's not you, my 2600X came with a Wraith Spire that had a copper vapor chamber column through the heatsink. The Wraith Spire that the 3600X comes with is solid aluminum.

Imagine my surprise at the dinky heatsink that came with the 3600. Reminds of the heatsink my Ryzen 3 1200 has bundled.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

^ Yep, that's it!

It didn't take me long to hate the damn thing. I suffer from severe vision impairment (had to get my 1600 rig built by Geek Squad, eek. But I didn't really have a choice, all things considered), the screws on the heatsink are black, my mobo is black/dark grey...You can imagine my struggles with trying to put that heatsink on lol. Finally got it on the board...somewhat, earlier this evening. I'm not going to be using my rig until I get a better fan, but I mainly wanted to see if the CPU worked with the board, and it did so yay for small victories, I guess? Lol. I'm just wondering what kind of help I should get when installing the new fan.

 

[harm9963]

Greetings everyone! It's been...quite a while since I was last here, and it's been an extremely difficult year and a half for me in particular. Long story short, I lost my father in June of 2018 due to catastrophic complications from undiagnosed colon cancer. He was my buddy and my rock. My world, really. Not only that, but he hated leaving things "stock", a quality I'm sure many of you can appreciate and understand. Anyway, before I start crying, I've come to you guys because I want to do a tribute build to my dad, as well as to the muscle/performance cars he loved so much -- those made by Saleen.

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^ Next to me, that car was his pride and joy and we both loved it, affectionately referring to it as "Gossie" (Gossamer) after the red monster from the Looney Tunes cartoons, lol. And it was a red monster, indeed.

BUDGET (and country you are buying them in): $1200-$1500 (USD)
PURPOSE OF THE BUILD: Gaming (Some AAA stuff -- Wolfenstein, Far Cry 5, Jedi: Fallen Order, etc on High settings. Sims 4 on Ultra), image editing (I use GIMP exclusively), Blender (CC creation for The Sims 4), Everyday computing (productivity, movies, etc.)
ITEMS YOU NEED/ALREADY HAVE: I'll be reusing my Asus ROG Crosshair VI Hero X370 (already updated the BIOS so the board is now Ryzen 3000 ready), my Crucial MX500 256 GB SSD (primary boot drive) and my 1TB WD Blue HDD (for storage), as well as my Seasonic FOCUS 850W PSU and my optical drive because, yes, I still enjoy watching my movies on DVD lol. I'll also be reusing my ASUS PCE-AC56 dual band wi-fi adapter. My primary upgrades will be the CPU, RAM, GPU, and a new 1440p 144hz display.

With this in mind, here is build option #1 (AMD CPU/Nvidia GPU)

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterAir MA610P 53.38 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.89 @ Amazon)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5 g Thermal Paste ($4.95 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.94 @ Adorama)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB GAMING X TRIO Video Card (Newegg is currently asking $585 give or take)
Case: Cougar Panzer Max ATX Full Tower Case ($159.90 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus ROG Strix XG32VQ 31.5" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($469.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1034.65
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-24 21:25 EST-0500

Option #2 (AMD CPU and GPU):

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterAir MA610P 53.38 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.89 @ Amazon)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5 g Thermal Paste ($4.95 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.94 @ Adorama)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card ($449.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Cougar Panzer Max ATX Full Tower Case ($159.90 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus ROG Strix XG32VQ 31.5" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($469.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1484.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-24 21:31 EST-0500

The final option pairs a Ryzen 7 3700X with an MSI RTX 2060 SUPER:

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($324.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master MasterAir MA610P 53.38 CFM CPU Cooler ($59.89 @ Amazon)
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 High-Density Polysynthetic Silver 3.5 g Thermal Paste ($4.95 @ Amazon)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($94.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.94 @ Adorama)
Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8 GB GAMING X Video Card ($409.99 @ B&H)
Case: Cougar Panzer Max ATX Full Tower Case ($159.90 @ Amazon)
Monitor: Asus ROG Strix XG32VQ 31.5" 2560x1440 144 Hz Monitor ($469.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1589.64
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-01-24 21:35 EST-0500

OVERCLOCK OR NOT?: Nope, not really for me. And I'm fine with it

So, TPU, your thoughts?

TUSTIN has a Micro center , long drive to save $30.00 on a 3600 for 149.00 plus $20.00 off ,if you needed a MB.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

I got my 3600 for $179 on Newegg, so no complaints there. And my C6H board is still kicking, so no need for me to buy a new board at this point, but thanks for the advice

I went to Tustin's Micro Center while my dad and I were in SoCal for a car show some years back. It was glorious! Put Frys to shame, I can tell you that. Then again, that isn't hard to do lol. I still can't believe California has only ONE Micro Center...

 

[cucker tarlson]

don't think the 2060 super is quite up to the monitor, the 5700xt would be and the first is over the 1,500 budget.

they're almost identical stock,2060s overclocks better

sapphire 5700xt is 6.3% faster than 2060super fe,so is palit 2060 super

you're getting 6% oc performance on palit

Palit GeForce RTX 2060 Super JetStream Review

Palit released its premium GeForce RTX 2060 Super graphics card that's largely based off its RTX 2060 product with added memory and VRM and a healthy factory overclock of 1830 MHz vs. 1750 MHz. You also get the desirable idle fan-stop feature.

www.techpowerup.com

3.6% on 5700xt

Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT Pulse Review

The Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT Pulse is equipped with a factory overclock and features a much better thermal solution than the AMD reference design. The card not only runs a lot quieter as temperatures are better than on any other RX 5700 XT we've tested so far, and idle fan stop is included, too.

www.techpowerup.com

my vote goes to 3600+2070S neverthless
got the one s/he wants myself,and believe me it's wort the premium.unbelievably quiet.at stock clocks you don't even know the fans are on.they're spinning at 20% while the card still boosts to 1950mhz and sits at 65 degrees.
oc I'm getting 2100/16GHz at 50% fan speed and the card is at chilly 50 degrees on air.
and no driver problems whatsoever for months.

missing the motherboard in all of them, the x570s are a bit pricey, but better than the x370 due to PCIe-4.

read the first post maybe

 

[biffzinker]

I'm just wondering what kind of help I should get when installing the new fan.

Would a flashlight help you when looking at black, and black/grey? I've done it myself when inside a case when changing parts.

 

[harm9963]

I got my 3600 for $179 on Newegg, so no complaints there. And my C6H board is still kicking, so no need for me to buy a new board at this point, but thanks for the advice

I went to Tustin's Micro Center while my dad and I were in SoCal for a car show some years back. It was glorious! Put Frys to shame, I can tell you that. Then again, that isn't hard to do lol. I still can't believe California has only ONE Micro Center...

Texas has two Micro Center, in Houston we have three Frys, I got the last 1080Ti over a year ago at Frys, its sad, none of my friends work there anymore, one works for Micro center, always get a heads up on an open box deals.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

^ I've tried flashlights...flashlights + magnifying headgear (I use those when I'm doing my model building. Makes tiny parts easier to see) and had so much trouble either way. I don't want to have to go to Geek Squad again and pay for a service I more than likely won't really use.

 

[potato580+]

2070s looks pretty well serve your rig wish, another option is just to buy used 1080ti, if you dont mind using old stuff

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Okie, I made a decision and finally ordered the rest of my upgrade parts. Decided to go with the Sapphire Nitro+ RX 5700 XT, as the new AORUS CV27F monitor I bought is Freesync 2 compatible, and 16 GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB (the AMD compatible model denoted by an X in the model number) 3200Mhz RAM. For the CPU fan, I ordered Arctic's Freezer 34 esports DUO. I know somebody offering build advice up above suggested the SCYTHE FUMA 2 CPU fan, but after looking at it, I just thought it was way too big even for a dual tower cooler, But thank you anyway to whomever recommended it.

And thank you guys for your help

 

[Vario]

InWin D Frame case in red would be a great car themed case, but pricey as hell.

 

[biffzinker]

16 GB G.Skill Trident Z RGB (the AMD compatible model denoted by an X in the model number) 3200Mhz RAM

Is it to late to change the RAM for a 3600 MHz kit? 3600 MHz is the sweet spot for Zen 2.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

InWin D Frame case in red would be a great car themed case, but pricey as hell.

WOAH! That case looks GORGEOUS! It's more like a work of art than a PC case in my opinion. Dat price tag though, holy hell.

Is it to late to change the RAM for a 3600 MHz kit? 3600 MHz is the sweet spot for Zen 2.

I think it is, yeah. The RAM and the GPU came from Newegg the other day. BUT, I haven't actually put the memory in my case or anything, just broke the seal on the box. I got 3200 because I thought that's the highest rated stock speed my board could take Plus, I thought 3600 was the sweet spot for Zen 2, but ONLY if it's paired with an X570 board?

 

[moproblems99]

WOAH! That case looks GORGEOUS! It's more like a work of art than a PC case in my opinion. Dat price tag though, holy hell.



I think it is, yeah. The RAM and the GPU came from Newegg the other day. BUT, I haven't actually put the memory in my case or anything, just broke the seal on the box. I got 3200 because I thought that's the highest rated stock speed my board could take Plus, I thought 3600 was the sweet spot for Zen 2, but ONLY if it's paired with an X570 board?

I think it is, yeah. The RAM and the GPU came from Newegg the other day. BUT, I haven't actually put the memory in my case or anything, just broke the seal on the box. I got 3200 because I thought that's the highest rated stock speed my board could take Plus, I thought 3600 was the sweet spot for Zen 2, but ONLY if it's paired with an X570 board?

The mem controller is part of the cpu so it should support higher. The only limiting factor I can think of otherwise are the ram traces. X370 may be iffy but you can only try

 

[biffzinker]

Plus, I thought 3600 was the sweet spot for Zen 2, but ONLY if it's paired with an X570 board?

Running DDR4-3600 on a X370 shouldn't be a problem provided the BIOS has been updated to the latest available update for Ryzen 3000 series. The integrated memory controller quality (silicon lottery) dictates how high the DDR4 can run at, and second to that the memory bus topology the board maker uses.

Could try your luck at overclocking the 3200MHz kit you bought to 3600MHz.

 

[moproblems99]

Could try your luck at overclocking the 3200MHz kit you bought to 3600MHz.

But I wouldn't worry too much about it, TPU's own findings are generally that from 3200 low timings are just a few percentage points lower.