New Build with big budget

[Wolvyreen]

Hello,

Earlier in the year I posted this thread to buy a new PC: New build with decent budget
I didn't want to revive an old thread so I have decided to just reference that thread.

I decided NOT to go ahead with the purchase at that time because of various financial reasons and that the new Ryzen chips were going to be announced shortly after that.

Now that the new Ryzen chips are out, and intel is taking a super hiding with these chips, I decided to wait for Black Friday.

This is the final PC build we decided on back then with a budget of R40 000. You will notice that there is no monitor or PSU and this is explained in the thread but I have changed my mind now because my son will inherit my current PC.

My budget has now increased to between R60 000 - R70 000 and I was curious as to what I could upgrade on the below machine to improve on it?

This is the website where I will be buying most of my parts: WootWare South Africa

My NEEDS:

• First a Gaming machine for 144Hz!
• Second I will also use it for work:
  • to do video editing
  • graphic design
  • website coding
  • normal daily office work

My initial thoughts on the above build would be to:

• Upgrade the mainboard to an x570 board and maybe change to a different brand because of the below video from Gamers Nexus
• Upgrade the CPU to the Ryzen 7 3800X
• Add a NICE chassis and PSU
• Add a 144Hz monitor
• possibly upgrade the 2080ti to a better brand?

ANY advice on upgrading the above build is welcome

 

[oxrufiioxo]

CPU I'd reccomend

AMD 100-100000071BOX Ryzen 7 3700X Octa Core 3.6GHz (4.4GHz Boost) Socket AM4 Desktop CPU - Wootware

Buy AMD 100-100000071BOX Ryzen 7 3700X Octa Core 3.6GHz (4.4GHz Boost) Socket AM4 Desktop CPU at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.

www.wootware.co.za

Motherboard

Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER AMD AM4 X570 ATX Desktop Motherboard - Wootware

Buy Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER AMD AM4 X570 ATX Desktop Motherboard at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.

www.wootware.co.za

GPU

Asus GeForce RTX 2080 Ti ROG Strix Gaming OC Edition ROG-STRIX-RTX2080TI-O11G-GAMING 11GB GDDR6 352-bit PCI-E 3.0 Desktop Graphics Card - Wootware

Buy Asus GeForce RTX 2080 Ti ROG Strix Gaming OC Edition ROG-STRIX-RTX2080TI-O11G-GAMING 11GB GDDR6 352-bit PCI-E 3.0 Desktop Graphics Card at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.

www.wootware.co.za

To me the case is a personal thing pick out whatever you like best honestly

I couldn't find a power supply I liked on that site but a high quality 750w will do if it was my PC I'd grab an 850w.

1080p or 1440p?

This is going to end up in every thread I swear but it's basically an updated version of the video in your first post.

 

[kurosagi01]

Definitely go for 3600x or 3700x CPU, if you can afford to get a decent X570 motherboard then go that route or stick with X470.
PSU either of these will do nicely:

EVGA 220-G2-0850-XR SuperNOVA 850 G2 850W 80 Plus Gold Certified Fully Modular Desktop Power Supply - Wootware

Buy EVGA 220-G2-0850-XR SuperNOVA 850 G2 850W 80 Plus Gold Certified Fully Modular Desktop Power Supply at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.

www.wootware.co.za

Super Flower SF-850F14RG(WH) Leadex III ARGB Gold 850W 80 Plus Gold Fully Modular White Desktop Power Supply - Wootware

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www.wootware.co.za

Super Flower SF-850F14HT(BK) Leadex 850W 80 Plus Titanium Certified Fully Modular Black Desktop Power Supply - Wootware

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www.wootware.co.za

Monitor my vote for either Samsung, MSI, Acer, Asus and AOC, up to you whether you prefer IPS or curved monitor etc.
Nothing wrong with Palit coolers in my opinion.
Case - Phanteks seem to be a trend for bang for buck, however i'm a fractal design fan so my vote is on a Fractal design Define S.

 

[Wolvyreen]

CPU I'd reccomend

AMD 100-100000071BOX Ryzen 7 3700X Octa Core 3.6GHz (4.4GHz Boost) Socket AM4 Desktop CPU - Wootware

Buy AMD 100-100000071BOX Ryzen 7 3700X Octa Core 3.6GHz (4.4GHz Boost) Socket AM4 Desktop CPU at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.

www.wootware.co.za

Definitely go for 3600x or 3700x CPU, if you can afford to get a decent X570 motherboard then go that route or stick with X470.

Why not the 3800X?

Motherboard

Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER AMD AM4 X570 ATX Desktop Motherboard - Wootware

Buy Gigabyte X570 AORUS MASTER AMD AM4 X570 ATX Desktop Motherboard at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.

www.wootware.co.za

That's a decent board.

GPU

Asus GeForce RTX 2080 Ti ROG Strix Gaming OC Edition ROG-STRIX-RTX2080TI-O11G-GAMING 11GB GDDR6 352-bit PCI-E 3.0 Desktop Graphics Card - Wootware

Buy Asus GeForce RTX 2080 Ti ROG Strix Gaming OC Edition ROG-STRIX-RTX2080TI-O11G-GAMING 11GB GDDR6 352-bit PCI-E 3.0 Desktop Graphics Card at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.

www.wootware.co.za

This card is a beast but I wonder if it's worth it considering the Palit s only a few FPS behine. I just worry about the RMA's of palit as I don't know them.

1080p or 1440p?

1440p

 

[kurosagi01]

Why not the 3800X?


That's a decent board.


This card is a beast but I wonder if it's worth it considering the Palit s only a few FPS behine. I just worry about the RMA's of palit as I don't know them.


1440p

Gains are tiny in terms of gaming performance wise, web development isn't that demanding and any graphic design and video editing the GPU will be doing good chunk of work but obviously the compiling is still CPU bound? Not sure of the difference there sadly.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Why not the 3800X?


That's a decent board.


This card is a beast but I wonder if it's worth it considering the Palit s only a few FPS behine. I just worry about the RMA's of palit as I don't know them.


1440p

The 3800X is typically not worth the cost difference over the 3700X if it's less than 30 usd different I'd go with it not sure what that converts to in your currency

I own the strix 2080 ti so that's what I would reccomend I have no experience with palit one way or the other so you'll have to do some research I imagine the stix is also much cooler and quieter not sure how much that matters to you

I own the master and really like it the Hero is very similar but cost a ton more it seems it would be my side recommendation

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I'd also swap this in 3600 CL16 is the sweet spot for Ryzen 3000

 

[ne6togadno]

evga rtx 2080 ti ftw3
samsung 970 evo 1tb
msi mpg x570 gaming plus
gskill F4-3600c18D-16gtzn trident z neo 16gb 3600mhz cl 18
ryzen 3800x (you can get 3900x too)
same cpu cooler (cooler master master liquid ML360R for 3900x)
~R43 064 with 3800x
~R47 064 with 3900x

 

[Wolvyreen]

But now Im wondering that for this kind of money, isn't it better to just get a 9900K ??

according to intel, it's APPARENTLY the best CPU for gaming IN THE WORLD!

 

[ne6togadno]

yap.
around 4% faster then amd parts

Intel Core i9-9900KS Review - Impressive 5 GHz

The Core i9-9900KS is Intel's new consumer flagship processor. It runs at 5 GHz boost no matter how many cores are active, which translates into 10% application performance gained over the 9900K. Gaming performance is improved too, but pricing is high, especially compared to what AMD is offering.

www.techpowerup.com

edit:
oh wait ks is 4% faster. 9900k is about 1% ^^

get ryzen. it is better all around cpu then intel's offer

 

[oxrufiioxo]

But now Im wondering that for this kind of money, isn't it better to just get a 9900K ??

according to intel, it's APPARENTLY the best CPU for gaming IN THE WORLD!

While it is better for gaming you'd likely get zero benefit at 1440p in the majority of games.... it's also a dead platform

I own one I really like it but I'd personally buy the 3900X over it another CPU I own.

 

[Wolvyreen]

bah! to spend almost 80% more just for a 4% increase is insane.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

bah! to spend almost 80% more just for a 4% increase is insane.

It can be significantly faster than ryzen 3000 in gaming but the settings you'd need to drop to aren't worth it imo.... Gears 5 for example caps out at around 200fps in MP vs 260 with a 9900k but when you're hitting 200fps does it really matter lol

 

[ne6togadno]

keep in mind that 3900x is 12c/24t while with 9900s you get only 8c/16t so for similar price you have 4 more cores for productivity tasks

 

[Wolvyreen]

It can be significantly faster than ryzen 3000 in gaming but the settings you'd need to drop to aren't worth it imo.... Gears 5 for example caps out at around 200fps in MP vs 260 with a 9900k but when you're hitting 200fps does it really matter lol

I just want Minimum 144fps for the 144Hz monitor. dont care about any FPS above that

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I just want Minimum 144fps for the 144Hz monitor. dont care about any FPS above that

You're likely going to be GPU limited in 99% of games even at 1440p


If all you're doing is gaming and all you care about is fps then yes grab a 9900k if you want a much more balanced system that at 1440p will likely be identical unless you play at medium settings grab a 3900X instead if you want to spend that level of money on a CPU is the best advice I can give.


Just remember the 9900k has no upgrade path, and is substantially harder to cool

 

[Wolvyreen]

You're likely going to be GPU limited in 99% of games even at 1440p


If all you're doing is gaming and all you care about is fps then yes grab a 9900k if you want a much more balanced system that at 1440p will likely be identical unless you play at medium settings grab a 3900X instead if you want to spend that level of money on a CPU is the best advice I can give.


Just remember the 9900k has no upgrade path, and is substantially harder to cool

I do see though that the 3900x is more expensive than the 9900K on that site.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I do see though that the 3900x is more expensive than the 9900K on that site.

12 core 24 thread vs 8 Core 16 thread in the states I think the 3900X typically runs about $50 more

 

[Wolvyreen]

keep in mind that 3900x is 12c/24t while with 9900s you get only 8c/16t so for similar price you have 4 more cores for productivity tasks

12 core 24 thread vs 8 Core 16 thread in the states I think the 3900X typically runs about $50 more

I think I will stick to R7 here. R9 just doesn't seem to really appeal to me for value vs price.

3800X is currently on a BlackFriday Special which also includes Borderlands 3 and The outer Worlds whereas the 3700X only includes one of my choice.

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I'd also swap this in 3600 CL16 is the sweet spot for Ryzen 3000

Im going to up this to 32GB instead of 16GB. I play Cities Skylines and when you have hundred of assets and plenty of mods, the game requires a beastly amount of RAM.
Also, the more RAM for video editing the better.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I think I will stick to R7 here. R9 just doesn't seem to really appeal to me for value vs price.

3800X is currently on a BlackFriday Special which also includes Borderlands 3 and The outer Worlds whereas the 3700X only includes one of my choice.

If you want both games and the price is relatively close then yeah the 3800X makes more sense.

 

[Wolvyreen]

What's the best m.2 drive? I see that ne6togadno suggested the Samsung evo 970 1TB
What brand should I focus on for PSU?
What brand should I focus on for case?

 

[Calmmo]

3700x + a TUF x570
16gb dual stick 16gb CL16 for 100-150$
or if youd rather have 32gb something like this https://www.newegg.com/global/gr-en...cription=neo&cm_re=neo-_-20-232-867-_-Product
@CL18 would work too (fairly cheap for 32gb if you ask me)

 

[Wolvyreen]

3700x + a TUF x570
16gb dual stick 16gb CL16 for 100-150$
or if youd rather have 32gb something like this https://www.newegg.com/global/gr-en...cription=neo&cm_re=neo-_-20-232-867-_-Product
@CL18 would work too (fairly cheap for 32gb if you ask me)

I have added that RAM to my cart already. Thanks for the advice.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

What's the best m.2 drive? I see that ne6togadno suggested the Samsung evo 970 1TB
What brand should I focus on for PSU?
What brand should I focus on for case?

I use all evo ssd for my main PC and adata XPG 8200 in my ryzen PC I can't tell them apart honestly.

I really like the phanteks Evolv X I own it temps are pretty good and it looks nice.... I also own the corsair 500D SE and really like it but its somewhat overpriced now in the states at least. The Lian Li 011 dynamic is a really cool case that's good at water and air cooling if you pair it with good fans The XL version seems better but it cost quite a bit more

 

[ne6togadno]

What's the best m.2 drive? I see that ne6togadno suggested the Samsung evo 970 1TB
What brand should I focus on for PSU?
What brand should I focus on for case?

samsung is probably the best
good options are adata SX8200 pro, adata xpg spectrix s40g, crucial p1
psu - seasonic focus plus gold 650-750w
case wharever you like but make sure it has airflow so you dont have problems in the summer.

edit:
complete build for reference. no sa option in pcpartpcker

System Builder

pcpartpicker.com

 

[Wolvyreen]

I'm curious about something. I really like the look of the NZXT over the Fractal cooler. What's the reason you guys are going with the Fractal?