Nintendo Sues Team Behind Yuzu Emulator

[Veseleil]

This goes beyond Yuzu and Citra emulators and could kill emulation in general.

I smell huge pile of hypocrisy BS in their statement.

I knew Yuzu was going to get it in the neck as soon as they setup a company to make money off their emulation, thus violating the basic unwritten agreement between console manufacturers and emulator authors:

You can emulate whatever you want, and we won't come after you, as long as you don't make money off it.

bleem! broke that agreement and Sony put them six feet under. Yuzu was stupid enough to do the same and not expect Nintendo to tombstone them. Given that the Yuzu devs were very obviously working with unreleased ROMs which is unambiguously illegal, Nintendo really didn't have to try very hard. In short, this is once again the tale of stupid people getting their comeuppance.

Greed is one of the greatest world wonders.

Personally I don't give a damn about anything Nintendo related. But there are people that do. I feel sorry for both of them anyway. Nintendo for being an asshole attitude company, and people that still play their games while bitching about Nintendo being what they are, just a regular corporate business.

 

[Chomiq]

To be fair PCSX3 also has Patreon and wasn't sued... yet. But they aren't emulating something that's current.

 

[Denver]

also, what about the peoples who bought switch games but don't own switch ...

well ... my Asus ROG Ally ... with Yuzu, i play some Switch games ... i bought them i downloaded the ROM of them, is it piracy?

Yes, this is. Thank you for admitting it and saving us time; leave the door open or we will break it in, sending a car to pick you up rn

But seriously, it seems to me that Nintendo's argument is extremely generic and fragile, but enhanced by the shadow of a billionaire corporation, it made the devs give up, after all, even if they had a chance, they wouldn't be able to afford the costs of dragging out such a lawsuit for a long time.

 

[Assimilator]

To be fair PCSX3 also has Patreon and wasn't sued... yet. But they aren't emulating something that's current.

They also didn't setup an entire company for the purpose of doing emulator development. A company implies commercialisation and making money off a product (the emulator), and there is no way in Hell any console company is going to allow someone else to profit off their IP.

 

[Noyand]

Yes, this is. Thank you for admitting it and saving us time; leave the door open or we will break it in, sending a car to pick you up rn

But seriously, it seems to me that Nintendo's argument is extremely generic and fragile, but enhanced by the shadow of a billionaire corporation, it made the devs give up, after all, even if they had a chance, they wouldn't be able to afford the costs of dragging out such a lawsuit for a long time.

From the moment that they found out that someone somehow had access to games before their release date, and said games was distributed to other for free, their argument was good enough.

Digital ownership is such a pain in the ass because being able to make unlimited copies and giving them away was always going to be seen as a threat for someone doing business in that area. The unfair part is when the "bought" content can't be downloaded and will disappear if the service kick the bucket, or is just removed for dubious reasons without compensation. But there's not a world where giving away a copy is going to be legal.

 

[remixedcat]

the plot thickens... apperantly windows 7 holdout snitched on nintendo...

 

[Assimilator]

the plot thickens... apperantly windows 7 holdout snitched on nintendo...
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That person is one of those self-entitled, self-important ones who would best serve humanity by ceasing to be among it. Basically whatever the male version of a Karen is.

 

[Denver]

From the moment that they found out that someone somehow had access to games before their release date, and said games was distributed to other for free, their argument was good enough.

Digital ownership is such a pain in the ass because being able to make unlimited copies and giving them away was always going to be seen as a threat for someone doing business in that area. The unfair part is when the "bought" content can't be downloaded and will disappear if the service kick the bucket, or is just removed for dubious reasons without compensation. But there's not a world where giving away a copy is going to be legal.

This issue is more attributable to Nintendo than the developers. Furthermore, one could easily extend this logic of indirect responsibility and blame to potentially sue any manufacturer.
Consider the following examples:

• Weapons can be utilized in criminal activities such as murder, robbery, and threats. Should we then sue the manufacturers?
• Cars can be involved in crimes like hit-and-runs, aiding criminals in their escape, or causing property damage. Would it be appropriate to sue Chevy, Tesla, BMW etc?
• The internet can be a platform for various illegal activities including disseminating illegal content, selling illicit products, defamation, theft, and fraud... In response, one might take legal action against internet providers(ISPs) and hosts etc?
• AI tech can also be exploited for criminal purposes such as spreading fake news, identity theft, and scams. Consequently, entities like OpenAI, Nvidia, Intel, AMD, ARM, among others, might come under scrutiny.

These few examples underscore the broader question of where accountability lies when products or technologies are misused for bad purposes. Emulation is not inherently illegal under the law; in fact, there are even legal precedents in favor of emulation. such as Sony America vs. Bleem LLC,

Just to clarify: I've always purchased Nintendo consoles and have never used this emulator.

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Wow... this really highlights the ugliness of human behavior... It brings to mind the incident with the AetherSX2 mobile PS2 emulator, which it's dev faced death threats simply for stating that it wouldn't perform well on slower SoCs like those based on Cortex-A55 and A53;

 

[Assimilator]

This issue is more attributable to Nintendo than the developers

I don't understand the logic behind this claim.

 

[KrazyT]

That person is one of those self-entitled, self-important ones who would best serve humanity by ceasing to be among it. Basically whatever the male version of a Karen is.

Yes, like a personal vendetta

To me it's just that Yuzu emulates a "modern" system still on sale.
Snes9x and olders emus are still around these days, systems are obsolete and Nintendo don't make money with.

 

[skizzo]

how many idiots keep bringing up the telemetry thing when it's literally an opt in thing they make clear to you at the start of the setup!?

I know this is hard for some to comprehend, but you are entitled to click "No"

 

[Noyand]

This issue is more attributable to Nintendo than the developers. Furthermore, one could easily extend this logic of indirect responsibility and blame to potentially sue any manufacturer.
Consider the following examples:

• Weapons can be utilized in criminal activities such as murder, robbery, and threats. Should we then sue the manufacturers?
• Cars can be involved in crimes like hit-and-runs, aiding criminals in their escape, or causing property damage. Would it be appropriate to sue Chevy, Tesla, BMW etc?
• The internet can be a platform for various illegal activities including disseminating illegal content, selling illicit products, defamation, theft, and fraud... In response, one might take legal action against internet providers(ISPs) and hosts etc?
• AI tech can also be exploited for criminal purposes such as spreading fake news, identity theft, and scams. Consequently, entities like OpenAI, Nvidia, Intel, AMD, ARM, among others, might come under scrutiny.

These few examples underscore the broader question of where accountability lies when products or technologies are misused for bad purposes. Emulation is not inherently illegal under the law; in fact, there are even legal precedents in favor of emulation. such as Sony America vs. Bleem LLC,

Just to clarify: I've always purchased Nintendo consoles and have never used this emulator.



Wow... this really highlights the ugliness of human behavior... It brings to mind the incident with the AetherSX2 mobile PS2 emulator, which it's dev faced death threats simply for stating that it wouldn't perform well on slower SoCs like those based on Cortex-A55 and A53;

In the current situation, the devs themselves took part in illegal activities, the leaked documents showed that Nintendo didn't go after them for developing an emulator per se, but for hacking the switch (illegal to do so) pirating the games, and giving those games away for free among the dev team. Everything else was just icing on the cake.

Nintendo also went after people selling hacks for the switch, one dude even did prison time for that. The Yuzu team probably settled for the fine and C&D to not go to prison, as Nintendo amassed proofs of the devs team partaking in illegal activities. They got it easy compared to Gary Bowser

 

[Denver]

In the current situation, the devs themselves took part in illegal activities, the leaked documents showed that Nintendo didn't go after them for developing an emulator per se, but for hacking the switch (illegal to do so) pirating the games, and giving those games away for free among the dev team. Everything else was just icing on the cake.

Nintendo also went after people selling hacks for the switch, one dude even did prison time for that. The Yuzu team probably settled for the fine and C&D to not go to prison, as Nintendo amassed proofs of the devs team partaking in illegal activities. They got it easy compared to Gary Bowser

Hoping that leaked documents are not just screenshots of web pages that could be faked by manipulating the code to display any content.

Based on my findings, they were earning $30,000 per month through Patreon. Considering that they could legally acquire all NS games for testing purposes, it seems irrational for them to resort to pirating. But If they have put themselves at risk by illegally downloading/sharing games, it could be said that they are simply reaping what they sowed.

 

[Assimilator]

Considering that they could legally acquire all NS games for testing purposes

They couldn't legally acquire unreleased games, which wouldn't have been a problem if they'd kept their dumb mouths shut about it. Instead they decided to blab to the world at large that they could guarantee those games were playable on launch day with a special build... well how do you produce a launch-day-compatible build, unless you have the game before launch day... which is illegal?

Really, these guys are idiots of the highest quality.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I think Nuzu is already shut down as it was a 14 year old (rumoured) who started it only to ask for programmers to do the work. Ryujinx is from Brazil so Nintendo wont be able to do anything against them. Nintendo Lawyers would be sent to the Favelas and never seen again.

As a Brazilian in the law field, the only statement I have is "yes"

This issue is more attributable to Nintendo than the developers. Furthermore, one could easily extend this logic of indirect responsibility and blame to potentially sue any manufacturer.
Consider the following examples:

• Weapons can be utilized in criminal activities such as murder, robbery, and threats. Should we then sue the manufacturers?
• Cars can be involved in crimes like hit-and-runs, aiding criminals in their escape, or causing property damage. Would it be appropriate to sue Chevy, Tesla, BMW etc?
• The internet can be a platform for various illegal activities including disseminating illegal content, selling illicit products, defamation, theft, and fraud... In response, one might take legal action against internet providers(ISPs) and hosts etc?
• AI tech can also be exploited for criminal purposes such as spreading fake news, identity theft, and scams. Consequently, entities like OpenAI, Nvidia, Intel, AMD, ARM, among others, might come under scrutiny

Apparently some people do believe this to be the case and I've always found it absolutely preposterous

 

[Morgoth]

i would buy a offical nitendo emolator made by nitendo