NVIDIA Could Give a SUPER Overhaul to its GeForce RTX 3070 and RTX 3080 Graphics Cards

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Yep knew superduper was coming now get the 3080TI done

 

[nuggdoctor]

not like gpu manufacturers havent been hit with lawsuits for other shady practices. heres a few for those that are new to the pc world or might not have been around to know about this stuff. The toms hardware article covers amd and nvidia working together in a price fixing scheme. https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit...graphics-card-false-advertising-class-action/ , https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-amd-ati-graphics,6311.html

Hi,
Yep knew superduper was coming now get the 3080TI done

wont be long. theyve had the plans for that 20gb variant for quite awhile. gigabyte leaked it with a bios update for the already released 30 series cards. probably april is my guess. https://gamerant.com/gigabyte-reveals-rtx-30-series-cards-with-more-memory-20-gb-rtx-3080/

 

[neatfeatguy]

So....if 3080 Super comes out, where does that fall and at what price point?

Supposedly the 3080Ti is going to be more VRAM and land around the $1000 mark. It will be around 8% (most likely) faster than the 3080, but around 5% slower (most likely) than the 3090 (The 3080Ti can't be as fast as the 3090, otherwise what's the point of the 3090?). Do they release a 3080 Super that has more VRAM than the 3080 and performs the same or only a few % faster but it's priced around $850 instead of $700 or $1000?
Or do they laugh all the way to the bank (it's not like they aren't already doing this), make the 3080 Super have 3090 performance with significant VRAM and price it around $1200 and then push out a 3090 Super on top of it?

Shit....I'm still waiting for these GPU companies to get off their asses, put out ample supply so that the cards that are supposed to be available are available for the masses to buy. The SKU rate Nvidia is pumping things out, they might as well setup a "build your own" GPU and let you pick the specs, they build it and then ship it to you....probably would see something faster show up at your door over the current GPU situation (where very little to zero GPUs are available).

 

[nuggdoctor]

So....if 3080 Super comes out, where does that fall and at what price point?

Supposedly the 3080Ti is going to be more VRAM and land around the $1000 mark. It will be around 8% (most likely) faster than the 3080, but around 5% slower (most likely) than the 3090 (The 3080Ti can't be as fast as the 3090, otherwise what's the point of the 3090?). Do they release a 3080 Super that has more VRAM than the 3080 and performs the same or only a few % faster but it's priced around $850 instead of $700 or $1000?
Or do they laugh all the way to the bank (it's not like they aren't already doing this), make the 3080 Super have 3090 performance with significant VRAM and price it around $1200 and then push out a 3090 Super on top of it?

Shit....I'm still waiting for these GPU companies to get off their asses, put out ample supply so that the cards that are supposed to be available are available for the masses to buy. The SKU rate Nvidia is pumping things out, they might as well setup a "build your own" GPU and let you pick the specs, they build it and then ship it to you....probably would see something faster show up at your door over the current GPU situation (where very little to zero GPUs are available).

my guess would be 850. 100 more than the msrp of the 3080 standard. and 150 less than the way more powerful ti variant. but thats just my guess. and the point in the ti being better than the 90 is that it always has been. the 90 or the TITAN series cards are NOT for gaming. they are productivity cards that happen to run games. The ti variants and super variants are for gamers. And the ti versions always beat titans in games. just not professional applications.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Maybe they could wait until more than a few people could buy the current gens first?

 

[nuggdoctor]

Maybe they could wait until more than a few people could buy the current gens first?

my thoughts on it is that the current gen was planned shortly after the launch of the 2080ti and then AMD hit them with navi and changed what they thpought would be enough to keep them in front. and once navi was announced and launched they slowed the production of the 30 series to not have the same issues for the 40 series. and nobody expected the covid market and miners to upgrade. not nvidia and not amd and not us gamers.

and dont forget intel is getting back into the gpu market. not really a threat yet, but their tech does look promising enough to make both amd and nvidia rethink their cards

 

[Paganstomp]

 

[watzupken]

This is madness. I think Nvidia's plan to release a refresh this soon and amidst the shortage may likely backfire. You can certainly tell AMD really pushed Nvidia into a corner this time despite launching an almost vapourware GPU. The reason why I say that is because every single leak out there seems to be pointing to them utilizing their retail flagship, the GA102. Again, the GA102 being a big and complex chip is actually not meant to be a mass market chip, and by doubling down more than half their product stack now utilizing the GA102, I certainly don't think they have the supply to keep up with demand anytime soon. And when I said soon, its no earlier than 6 to 9 months.

 

[renz496]

Can only thing of two good reasons to go super so soon
1. AMD have something up their sleeve.
2. Nvidia has lots of die's that are not making the cut.

1. doesn't matter what kind of secret weapon AMD will have. they can't even make enough navi 21 chip as it is.

 

[Night]

Super's outta cost super much. I just hope we'll see some overall price reduction if these cards hit the market, I need realistic prices when AM5 comes out to make a new build.
Sure, like that's going to happen..

 

[AusWolf]

Considering the fact that none of the original release cards have fully unlocked GPU dies on them, this move was obvious right from the start.

The question is: who's gonna be able to buy these?

 

[Vayra86]

Best case scenario 3080 Super could be a RTX 3090 with 12GB VRAM, I doubt that will happen though.

^
Though I question the credibility of this rumor, this is what the gen needs. And not at anything more than 750-800.

But honestly? I think Nvidia is just firing these rumors to gauge the responses. We have had how many variations now?

 

[cst1992]

They really, REALLY need to stop adding new SKUs.

I agree. Prices have already skyrocketed, not just for the 30 series but for most xx60, xx70 and xx80 cards.
Instead of launching more SKUs, they could cut down the variants and sell more, with stabilized prices.

One thought - could this be because of the fabrication process? Is 8nm less reliable than 12nm and above? We didn't see a 970, 970 Ti and 970 Super, even though the Maxwell architecture had just been announced.

 

[1d10t]

nVidia doesn't like AMD to top off scarcity, let the race begin until extinction.

 

[R-T-B]

man a Super version of Vaporware, this is just hilarious

Is there any new product that isn't basically vaporware?

 

[Max(IT)]

man a Super version of Vaporware, this is just hilarious

It clearly isn't vaporware according to my experience:



but I agree with you: it makes no sense at this point.
The only reason I can see for a 3070 Super is the use of a "GA103" which is a "bad GA102" with disabled units to improve production yields

 

[AusWolf]

It clearly isn't vaporware according to my experience:

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but I agree with you: it makes no sense at this point.
The only reason I can see for a 3070 Super is the use of a "GA103" which is a "bad GA102" with disabled units to improve production yields

We've seen lots of SKUs with disabled units. I'd like to see one with a fully unlocked die.

 

[maxfly]

Just call it what it is, suuuuper stupid!!!! Weeeeeeee.

 

[Max(IT)]

We've seen lots of SKUs with disabled units. I'd like to see one with a fully unlocked die.

actually not.
GA102 and GA104 are totally different chips, so Nvidia/Samsung can't "recycle" partially working 3080 as 3070 by disabling CUs.
Maybe with the introduction of GA103 they will be able to improve yields a little bit.

 

[pavle]

NVIDIA Could Give a SUPER Overhaul to its GeForce RTX 3070 and RTX 3080 Graphics Cards​

Cuda would-a should-a. What will they do - increase the frequencies so the cards are unstable again @2000+ MHz?

 

[MAXLD]

I wouldn't be surprised if nVidia did this just to diverge buyers attention and "stall" them from buying AMD and wait for Supers instead... which probably won't be at enough supply either because a new "mining fever" is here to stay, just like ~2 years ago. But considering Ampere are much more attractive to miners and scalpers, in practice the bigger percentage of cards that actually reach the enthusiast market during the next weeks/months might actually be Navi ones (we'll see how production progresses at TSMC).

So we could get this scenario:
- current nVidia cards: (regardless of yields) sold by the dozens to miners, a few get to the market at ridiculous prices (only a few get them get to buyers), while some of them are actually snatched by scalpers instead.

- current AMD cards: not so stellar for mining, and availability is apparently a bit better now in some markets (vs nVidia Ampere ones), but because so many people don't have much of an option, they'll have to go exclusively for these RDNA2... which means too much demand, AMD can't feed the whole market by itself, so SKU availability will still be crap and prices will also remain higher than MSRP.

- seeing that AMD RX cards might be the more attainable option for enthusiasts, even though at inflated prices and low stocks due demand, nVidia teases the new SUPER models, making people think twice before getting in line for an AMD 6x00 upgrade... and "inviting them" to wait even more to see those new models. AKA: if we "can't" sell them RTX cards, let's also make them "not buy / get in line" for a RDNA2 one in case AMD manage to ramp up production a bit. Kind of c0ckblocking.


In the end, whatever the case: we're all screwed anyway. If not due mining, then due scalpers, or high demand, or high prices, or Covid, or whatever,...

If you have an older card like a Pascal, pray the Lord of tech for it not to fail you in the next 12 months...

 

[spnidel]

lol, all the folks who bought a 3080/3070 paid the idiot tax

 

[lexluthermiester]

Whether they call the cards "Super" or "ti" makes little difference, we all knew this was coming. So the question is, will the 3070S have 16GB and 3080S have 20GB? Will the 3060S have 12GB? These are questions that need answers.

lol, all the folks who bought a 3080/3070 paid the idiot tax

So you're saying that my RTX2080 non-super was an idiot tax? Please keep your insults to yourself.

 

[ZoneDymo]

lol, all the folks who bought a 3080/3070 paid the idiot tax

I see the Kuva liches been haunting you as well

 

[MxPhenom 216]

This is madness. I think Nvidia's plan to release a refresh this soon and amidst the shortage may likely backfire. You can certainly tell AMD really pushed Nvidia into a corner this time despite launching an almost vapourware GPU. The reason why I say that is because every single leak out there seems to be pointing to them utilizing their retail flagship, the GA102. Again, the GA102 being a big and complex chip is actually not meant to be a mass market chip, and by doubling down more than half their product stack now utilizing the GA102, I certainly don't think they have the supply to keep up with demand anytime soon. And when I said soon, its no earlier than 6 to 9 months.

The release of the GTX580 after the 480 was pretty fast though too so its not like this is entirely unprecedented for Nvidia.