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"Super Ti 256 (times more expensive)" Is my guess for their new ones.
 
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not like gpu manufacturers havent been hit with lawsuits for other shady practices. heres a few for those that are new to the pc world or might not have been around to know about this stuff. The toms hardware article covers amd and nvidia working together in a price fixing scheme. https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit...graphics-card-false-advertising-class-action/ , https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-amd-ati-graphics,6311.html


wont be long. theyve had the plans for that 20gb variant for quite awhile. gigabyte leaked it with a bios update for the already released 30 series cards. probably april is my guess. https://gamerant.com/gigabyte-reveals-rtx-30-series-cards-with-more-memory-20-gb-rtx-3080/
Hi,
I'd be happy with a 3080ti 12gb frankly.
 
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meh cool story

Still using my old RX480 and I will continue to use it until normal prices and availability return. If it takes about 4 years so be it.

I paid $300 cnd for this 8GB 256-bit card, with all these generation improvements I would expect no less than double the performance of the RX 480 for the same price $300 cnd.
 
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meh cool story

Still using my old RX480 and I will continue to use it until normal prices and availability return. If it takes about 4 years so be it.

I paid $300 cnd for this 8GB 256-bit card, with all these generation improvements I would expect no less than double the performance of the RX 480 for the same price $300 cnd.
Youre in the same boat as me. if i cant truly double or triple my performance for the price my current card launched i dont see the point in upgrading now either. I dont care about raytracing. its just a bs gimmick like "hairworks" and amd had with the "tress fx" and both caused massive frame hits. just like raytracing.
 
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Thinking about SUPER a bit longer, there is actually a business case to be made here for a constant refresh in that vein for every gen - and faster than we're used to seeing a refresh usually.

First generational release stack = preliminary fire, early adopter territory, availability hit/miss. We saw this to some degree with Turing as well, but then Turing wasn't even nearly as much of a leap as Ampere so obviously only specific and especially top end SKUs were hard to get. 2080ti really - they didn't make many, but they did sell them ('all' of them so to speak).

The lower SKUs had only a few, maybe even just one strong contender: the 2060 which dropped the 1080 performance to a lower tier price point. The rest of the non-SUPER stack (and RTX, not GTX, I consider that a one-off for Turing alone to bridge the gap between old and new) was totally uninteresting: the performance was already available for years with the Pascal line up, and at equal or even lower price to boot.

Nvidia gauged the market and response, and then launched SUPER. The only reason to do this is because they think they'll make more money with a better offer within the same gen. After all, its not truly a refresh is it... rather a rapid replacement of old stuff with new. When the volume and stack (perf/dollar/feature) is conservative, its easy to move to a SUPER refresh especially as the node gets better over time.

So maybe SUPER is the new staggered launch Nvidia has always had, but rolled out differently: its no longer feasible to save the top end SKUs for last or even first, they want to hit the entire mid-to-top of the stack virtually at the same time instead of spacing stuff months apart for x104 > x102 (>106) to appear. Advantage: they can recalibrate everything instead of just doing final tweaks on the stuff they have yet to release. In a way, their generational launches are 'more agile'... and more easily changed if the market responds in a strange way. They can sample the market twice per gen, too, helping them for future releases and with low volume, there aren't many cannibalized sales.

This would answer MANY questionable moves of late but more importantly, this approach allows Nvidia maximum risk mitigation, which isn't a bad idea given that they are still pioneering with RT.

And, if their initial bet was OK, they can just postpone SUPER until competition arrives -another thing you don't easily do with an entire SKU like say the x102 die products. Maybe they also took a lesson from Pascal which, for two FULL generations never even needed the 1080ti to begin with. Let's face it... it was lonely at the top for many years and I think that one killed a LOT of Turing sales.

Youre in the same boat as me. if i cant truly double or triple my performance for the price my current card launched i dont see the point in upgrading now either. I dont care about raytracing. its just a bs gimmick like "hairworks" and amd had with the "tress fx" and both caused massive frame hits. just like raytracing.

Amen to that, baby steps are for toddlers.

BTW, 58 posts per day, bud? Thought I was hardcore :rockout: Welcome :D
 
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Its not that im hardcore. just old and bored lol. And like to help people so i look around for topics and threads im knowledgeable on and go from there. And a lot of that was in response to other peoples posts lol
 
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we'll see how production progresses at TSMC
I think only AMD has production at TSMC now. Nvidia has been using Samsung for fabrication of its Ampere chips(and I don't know, maybe Turing as well?)
 

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So Ngreedia loves screwing customers with paper launches and confusion, I thought 2020 was over?
Years are nothing more, but just a number nowadays. The successful practices will remain intact until something scorches their a*** to the black crisp that they'll notice, until such moment happens, there is no point in wasting your energy for wishes that might never happen.
 
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Super 3070's SLI option I'm 100% in.

Otherwise my old 1070ti's in SLi still running strong was playing old DOOM last night 100 FPS average 4k just running sweet.
This reply is amusing at best, but sadly you need two 3090's if you want SLI, nothing else Ampere supports SLI.
 

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I think only AMD has production at TSMC now. Nvidia has been using Samsung for fabrication of its Ampere chips(and I don't know, maybe Turing as well?)
Well, Ampere is the the first arch in years (if not the first one) that Nvidia is using Samsung for fabrication. There was talk that Nvidia would go to TSMC for its Ampere refresh but with recent reports that Nvidia seems pretty committed to Samsung, ordering more wafers, seems like they will stay with Samsung for Ampere.
 
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We've seen lots of SKUs with disabled units. I'd like to see one with a fully unlocked die.

Me too. There isn't one yet, to my knowledge. It makes it even harder to consider going from my 2080 Super, psychologically (I'm a fan of complete chips).

This reply is amusing at best, but sadly you need two 3090's if you want SLI, nothing else Ampere supports SLI.
Including 3090s. Just because the connectors are there, don't mean they work.
 
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I think only AMD has production at TSMC now. Nvidia has been using Samsung for fabrication of its Ampere chips(and I don't know, maybe Turing as well?)

That's what I was referring to. If TSMC's 7nm partial productions can be shifted a bit towards RDNA2, or just purely by ramping it up a bit overall, AMD could see themselves shipping a bit more steady flow of cards to the enthusiast market, while nVidia's (Samsung) could still be stalled for miners and scalpers. That would mean AMD getting a small market share gain on the high end. Unlike Intel, nVidia doesn't like, at all, to leave any leftovers to AMD (even in case of selling thousands of those cards to miners). So these "Super" cards, if they're basically the same current Ampere with a little boost, their announcements (or even intentional leaks) could be just a way to block/stall any momentum that AMD could be getting.
Then again... beefier "Super" cards means they'll be even more attractive to mining. So... y... unless cryptocurrency crashes hard, I don't see much chances of people getting RTX cards during this year,... much less getting them at decent / fair prices. Samsung would have to create a production miracle and nVidia would need to be in the mood of risking flooding the market with cards in order for having enough for miners and enthusiasts... which won't happen. Scarcity and high profits are a much safer bet.
 
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That's what I was referring to. If TSMC's 7nm partial productions can be shifted a bit towards RDNA2, or just purely by ramping it up a bit overall, AMD could see themselves shipping a bit more steady flow of cards to the enthusiast market, while nVidia's (Samsung) could still be stalled for miners and scalpers. That would mean AMD getting a small market share gain on the high end. Unlike Intel, nVidia doesn't like, at all, to leave any leftovers to AMD (even in case of selling thousands of those cards to miners). So these "Super" cards, if they're basically the same current Ampere with a little boost, their announcements (or even intentional leaks) could be just a way to block/stall any momentum that AMD could be getting.
Then again... beefier "Super" cards means they'll be even more attractive to mining. So... y... unless cryptocurrency crashes hard, I don't see much chances of people getting RTX cards during this year,... much less getting them at decent / fair prices. Samsung would have to create a production miracle and nVidia would need to be in the mood of risking flooding the market with cards in order for having enough for miners and enthusiasts... which won't happen. Scarcity and high profits are a much safer bet.

I'm still not buying that mining is having as big of an impact as it's being credited for. Frankly, I'm doubtful it's even a minor factor.

And even if it was, why would a "SUPER" card be more attractive? Energy efficiency is king there, not raw power, and that should be the same.
 
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I'm still not buying that mining is having as big of an impact as it's being credited for. Frankly, I'm doubtful it's even a minor factor.
Time will tell on that one. My guess is that you're right as the hash yield seems still to low, making the effort very impractical and low profit because of...
Energy efficiency is king
...this. The RTX cards are just not power efficient like the Pascal GTX cards are.
 
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Isn't 3070 already a FULL GA104?
So, super will be... GA102 based?

Anyhow, current RAM configs are nonsenseical, 3070 has less VRAM than current gen consoles, NV does indeed need to "do something".

save for the 3090 that mostly beats the 6900XT
Tables turn, if you only consider newest games, it's 5/2 in 6900XT favor.
 
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1. doesn't matter what kind of secret weapon AMD will have. they can't even make enough navi 21 chip as it is.
AMD rolled out Zen 3, is ramping up sizable APUs for TWO console manufacturers, RDNA2 chips are huge, all while sitting on TSMC's fabs with limited capacity allocated to them.
AMD seems to have grabbed GPU market share:
https://www.reddit.com/r/realAMD/comments/kp1rob
On the other hand, NV has all the Samsung's fab space to it nearly exclusively, but 3080s are nowhere to be seen. (3070 for 730 Euro is yours, so is 3090 for 1700+). As if that GPU at that price point was an outright lie. (On AMD front it ain't much better pricing wise, 6800 for 850, 6800XT for 950)

And "NV didn't expect 2080Ti perf for $500 would be in high demand" doesn't quite fly.

What they obviously didn't expect, was RDNA2 kicking Ampere's lower bottom.

pioneering with RT.
It's been 2 years, chuckle, and we went from Unreal Engine 4 almost ignoring AMD chips, to UE5 ignoring hardware RT capabilities in it's new engines and being demoed on a console with AMD APU, and newest and greatest AAA game often arguably looking better with RT disabled (let alone, faster).
What needs to happen for us to admit that this RT approach will get us nowhere?
Adoption of a new tech is tricky, but this time, it fails on main promise: ease of development. (that "effects unachievable without hardware RT" was a lie, was obvious upfront)
In particular, given how amazing (also light/shadow/reflection effects wise) God of War 2018 is, running on 7870-ish GPU.

This running without any hardware RTing is simply embarrassing:


So maybe SUPER is the new staggered launch Nvidia has always had, but rolled out differently: its no longer feasible to save the top end SKUs for last or even first,
Turing super's could have been harvested higher end chips.
In Ampere world, there is barely any room for that.
 
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That really says more about you than anyone else. Kindly keep nonsense like that to yourself.
Keeping the insult aside, I think he has a point. Price increases are a bit inconsistent this season.

The 3070 costs 25% more than the 3060Ti, despite delivering only 10% more performance.
The 3080 costs 75% more than the 3060Ti with a 44% performance increase, and is 40% more expensive as compared to the 3070 with a 31% performance increase(that's kinda okay).
The 3090 is also a strange one, with 10% performance(only) over the 3080 with a 114% price increase. Seriously, if the 3080Ti is going to be faster than the 3080 and slower than the 3090, where would it sit? At any price it'll make either itself or the 3090 look bad.
Thinking about what happened with the Titan Black and the 780Ti, I'm inclined to think the 3080Ti will be cheaper yet at par with the 3090 or faster, with 12GB of GDDR6X VRAM.
 
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Keeping the insult aside, I think he has a point. Price increases are a bit inconsistent this season.

The 3070 costs 25% more than the 3060Ti, despite delivering only 10% more performance.
The 3080 costs 75% more than the 3060Ti with a 44% performance increase, and is 40% more expensive as compared to the 3070 with a 31% performance increase(that's kinda okay).
The 3090 is also a strange one, with 10% performance(only) over the 3080 with a 114% price increase. Seriously, if the 3080Ti is going to be faster than the 3080 and slower than the 3090, where would it sit? At any price it'll make either itself or the 3090 look bad.
That's the gaming world in 2021 (I could say ngreedia, but in fact, AMD is doing the same with the 6900 XT). If you want more performance by however little, you pay.
 
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I'm still not buying that mining is having as big of an impact as it's being credited for. Frankly, I'm doubtful it's even a minor factor.

And even if it was, why would a "SUPER" card be more attractive? Energy efficiency is king there, not raw power, and that should be the same.

Hope that ends up being true in the next months. Surely not the only culprit, but with 70+card rigs showing up w/ the same card model... raises some serious questions.
Because the SUPERs would have more memory and more bandwidth? (no expert in mining, though)
 
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