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Hi everyone

welcome to the Nvidia Driver Watch!

In this topic we aim to keep each other informed about the performance and stability of Nvidia Driver releases. To help us with staying on topic, I would like every contributor to stick to a format for reporting an issue with any driver release. If and when we have multiple confirmations/evidence of a known issue, it will be included in this TS.

In addition, we will aim to create a list of 'safe' Driver releases for specific cards. If you have information to help the cause, either post here or PM.

Once per week I will be collecting the info posted here and clean up the TS.

Please include all information when you contribute so we can turn this topic into a useful and informative place to be:

Driver release: xxx.xx
Please include WHQL or BETA, whichever applies

OS + build + 32/64 bit:
How to find your build number? Click START > type 'winver' in command line // Alternatively (W10), config panel > System > About

GPU + OC clocks if applicable:
Specify the full GPU name, including vendor, version, or even better, include GPU-Z screenshot. Please include your overclock if you run one, and try to reproduce the issue @ stock clocks! NOTE: If you run modified BIOS, please refrain from posting in this thread, it will only create confusion - if you still want to contribute, reproduce with stock BIOS or PM me.

Describe the issue:
If you find graphics anomalies such as artifacting, include screenshots! Specify the game + situation the issue occurred in. More info is good, but try to keep it brief and to the point

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SAFE DRIVERS / END OF CYCLE DRIVERS PER GEN
Here we collect safe, well performing driver versions sorted by GPU architecture. Nvidia tends to 'end of cycle' its driver updates for each card generation - regardless, newer updates may still include fixes and performance tweaks, SLI compatibility bits etc. General rule of thumb is to always stick to the *latest* version available; only when you encounter issues here, should you roll back to drivers on the SAFE list below.

FERMI GTX 5xx

KEPLER GTX 6xx / GTX 7xx

MAXWELL GTX 9xx

PASCAL GTX 10xx


Please provide input on whether or not you like this idea, what you would see changed, or whatever else you would like to see added! Depending on the input I'll consider devoting the time to making this worthy of a sticky!
 
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Ok, I'll go first with the Safe End of Cycle drivers.

Kepler: 347.88
-last optimizations done on Kepler platform. Literally tested on W8.1 for 8 months after March, 2015 when the driver released, using GTX 780. Extremely stable, including on new games not "optimized" for at the time.
 
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I like the idea, but not sure its going to help as one may think...

Often times, driver instability is caused by specific system config. So you will have every dick, tom, and jane listing issues which is likely attributed to their unique system. Same with safe... what works on one, may not work on another.

Its going to take a lot of filtering to sift through the bologna to find anything. A lot of time for questionable returns...you also expect that people bave a clue....and, well....lol!
 
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I like the idea, but not sure its going to help as one may think...

Often times, driver instability is caused by specific system config. So you will have every dick, tom, and jane listing issues which is likely attributed to their unique system. Same with safe... what works on one, may not work on another.

Its going to take a lot of filtering to sift through the bologna to find anything. A lot of time for questionable returns...you also expect that people bave a clue....and, well....lol!
Yeah that is also why I'm putting some demands on how the information is gathered, and also just made the topic start as is to see if there is enough people interested and/or willing to provide input. If not, I'm not going to be wasting time.

In the end though there will be consensus about which driver versions are preferable but that will require sufficient numbers.
 
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I dont think it will help as the data is bad to start, but I hope you get what you are after. :)
 
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gtx 660.jpg
hi there my system

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Build 1703
Galaxy Gtx 660 2gb
Driver 347.88
gpu core and memory are stock
normal 980mhz, boost 1033mhz, memory 3005mhz

issues are new drivers, hdmi and physx causes the display to freeze after a short time and event log shows error 4101 for any games i play are project cars, dirt rally, dead island, resident evil series, enter the matrix.
i believe the problem is solved with my system on driver 347.88
 
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I think i may have come across a site here stating a fix as i have tried it on my system seems to make my problem disappear which was freezing the display and event viewer error 4101 when playing project cars. Will be doing a weekend of testing to see it if the game dont repeat the problems i was having
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/569661/tdr-registry-settings/
Try it out and post your findings if it fixed your problem with crashing nvidia driver
 
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urther progress been made on my mental pc had to strip it down fully for cleaning and retidying the cables so it can get more air in. Then i spotted nasty white cocaine stuff on the back of asus p5q premiem board jeez had a job to clean it off with 99% iso fluid so scrubbing it from top to bottem spend over 7 hours making sure it clean from that and dust free so decided to rebuild it all back together again then did the nvidia 334.89 driver it started to work with like 5 times the speed with stuttering so ok did the timings in the ddr2 ram department tested project cars abit of improvements with stuttering when driving slow then did the ddu to wipe clean slate as i installed the latest nvidia 385.28. Then my computer started to work like superman on redbull drinking session. I just cant believe my luck last night. So it was my motherboard that was causing the issue. Checked all voltages from power supply to mother board the 12v rail is rock solid as it used to dip to 11.890v on the motherboard on light load like firefox browser. Tip is check the motherboard for white chalk lookalike stuff and clean it until it gone for good and i think it conducting electricity and causing havoc with the ram lane and pcie lane as it was making my computer behave like a depressed pig
 
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I have solved the issue on my pc as it not the latest nvidia driver causing the crashing as it was my ram timings as they were on 5-5-5-15 way too tight for the mushkin rams i have loosing them to 6-6-6-18 at the speed of 1067mhz and the northbridge voltage had to go up to 1.6v to stablize the overclock at 444mhz. Played project cars and dirt 4 for a few hours no crashing at all
 
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Just wondering do anyone have a gtx 660 2gb laying about as i need a screenshot of the clock states in the kelper bios tweaker as im trying to compare clocks states as i can see where it going wrong some of the numbers are way off than normal
 
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Just wondering do anyone have a gtx 660 2gb laying about as i need a screenshot of the clock states in the kelper bios tweaker as im trying to compare clocks states as i can see where it going wrong some of the numbers are way off than normal
71(Verified) GTX 660 2GB BIOS rom files here(or 269 Unverified here). Are you capable of downloading them and opening them with KBT to compare to yours? Or do you really need me to do that for you too?
 
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And I've tested DSR again on Wolf Among Us and the stupid feature again and still insisted running at 60Hz because I used 4K resolution. C'mon NVIDIA, I reported this months ago and you fixed NOTHING. Why run at 60Hz when actual output is 1080p and should be running at 144Hz. It's BS. It'll ALWAYS default to 60Hz instead of max refresh unless the game has a refresh setting inside its own settings. Which, out of 500 games that I own, maybe 5 actually have this setting. Meaning I can't use DSR at 4K because my output will then be at 60Hz which makes my eyes bleed. How hard is it to use max refresh rate at DISPLAYED resolution on the actual screen? Your drivers are damn aware at which resolution they actually output to the screen and not the one it renders at. So, why the hell is this crap insisting on 60Hz instead of 144Hz at which my 1080p panel runs at? God. Normal anti-aliasing doesn't even work in most games anymore so DSR is a cool feature to use it in ANY game. If only they wouldn't screw up the damn refresh rate... Meaning it's just as useless feature as regular anti-aliasing is these days...

Not to mention you have to do a system reboot after enabling DSR, otherwise it just doesn't work at all. Of course NVIDIA Control Panel doesn't tell you that at all. Something that wasn't required in the past which indicates it's broken just like countless other things.

F**k you NVIDIA. I'm sick of this BS. You buy a freaking 800€ graphic card and this is the treatment you get. It's pathetic. All the stuff people say how much better NVIDIA drivers are compared to AMD is complete BS. And even when you report a bug, they acknowledge it and then apparently never fix it because f**k that one guy with 144Hz panel who notices the difference, right?
 
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Lololololol
 
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Some games will run 1080p/60 cause of game engine or they're locked by devs, DSR has always worked flawlessly for me in games that support it properly. I feel like some people need a tranquilizer pill, or a tranquilizer dart for that matter. I always get a good chuckle from people having a tantrum about spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on a piece of hardware and expecting this ludicrous money to fix all the issues :laugh:
 
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Might change topic title to Nvidia Driver Madhouse
 
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Some games will run 1080p/60 cause of game engine or they're locked by devs, DSR has always worked flawlessly for me in games that support it properly. I feel like some people need a tranquilizer pill, or a tranquilizer dart for that matter. I always get a good chuckle from people having a tantrum about spending hundreds or thousands of dollars on a piece of hardware and expecting this ludicrous money to fix all the issues :laugh:
No they don't. Wolf Among Us and literally 99,9% of games run at 144Hz. Just not when you use DSR. Then it always defaults to 60Hz unless game has refresh settings. Which, like I've sad, only few have. If it really didn't work, then you wouldn't even be able to set it within a game. So, saying it's not possible is BS because it works. Just hardly in any game because of dumb DSR design/bug.
 
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i think we are going to get a whole bunch of specific hardware related problems which are being blamed on Nvidia drivers.. :)

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This isn't "hardware specific". This is NVIDIA specific and they don't give a damn if it's broken. Apparently. While GTX 1080Ti is fast, I'm starting to really regret it going with NVIDIA again, even if RX Vega is not "as good" or "better". NVIDIA's drivers, particularly Control Panel is absolute utter garbage stuck in year 2005 (at best) as far as design goes. It's slow, clumsy and bugged as hell. It looks like a really sad joke in comparison to AMD's Crimson Control Panel. It really does. And it has been like this ever since I had my last damn GeForce basically a decade ago. They literally haven't changed or improved a thing. And reporting bugs is basically just a relief contact. You talk with some people and then nothing really gets fixed. What's the point?
 
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This isn't "hardware specific". This is NVIDIA specific and they don't give a damn if it's broken. Apparently. While GTX 1080Ti is fast, I'm starting to really regret it going with NVIDIA again, even if RX Vega is not "as good" or "better". NVIDIA's drivers, particularly Control Panel is absolute utter garbage stuck in year 2005 (at best) as far as design goes. It's slow, clumsy and bugged as hell. It looks like a really sad joke in comparison to AMD's Crimson Control Panel. It really does. And it has been like this ever since I had my last damn GeForce basically a decade ago. They literally haven't changed or improved a thing. And reporting bugs is basically just a relief contact. You talk with some people and then nothing really gets fixed. What's the point?
Because you're in a minority. If there was enough people that reported this, they would've acknowledged the issue and fixed it.
 
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This isn't "hardware specific". This is NVIDIA specific and they don't give a damn if it's broken. Apparently. While GTX 1080Ti is fast, I'm starting to really regret it going with NVIDIA again, even if RX Vega is not "as good" or "better". NVIDIA's drivers, particularly Control Panel is absolute utter garbage stuck in year 2005 (at best) as far as design goes. It's slow, clumsy and bugged as hell. It looks like a really sad joke in comparison to AMD's Crimson Control Panel. It really does. And it has been like this ever since I had my last damn GeForce basically a decade ago. They literally haven't changed or improved a thing. And reporting bugs is basically just a relief contact. You talk with some people and then nothing really gets fixed. What's the point?
You sounded a bit like Trump right now, did you realise that?

Really, believe me :D

No but jokes aside, I can see where this is going wrong in the driver/DSR design: 4K+144hz is exceeding throughput specs for your I/O connections, even while not true 4K but downsampled, internally everything talks in 4K res and that data is eventually being sent through an interface that needs to feed the data to your monitor. I can't really say I'm surprised this does not work proper - also, the fact that it DOES work when using in-game refresh settings, which in all honesty is rather BASIC when you think of it (used to be standard issue option menu stuff back in the day), except if its lazy console port, really rather points to the game being at fault rather than Nvidia's DSR... How is your monitor connected? DP?
 
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Because you're in a minority. If there was enough people that reported this, they would've acknowledged the issue and fixed it.
Minority? Go open a NV Control Panel. It takes half a day to open on ALL systems, even with bloody high performance SSD. Change any setting in it. It'll always reset the list to the top. On ALL systems. It looks like software that escaped from 2005. On ALL systems. Enable DSR. It actually won't work at all until you reboot. It wasn't like this and it certainly isn't intentional because it would warn you to reboot. Again, on ALL systems. Most o this stuff for years now. It doesn't matter if I'm a minority or not, they just plain don't give a f**k. All this could be fixed years ago and they've decided not to because they just don't care. I'd be ashamed to have my company branding on such pile of broken mess. I'd be disgraced using such product where even the very basics don't work good, and me idiot expecting delicate things like correct refresh under DSR. God I'm naive...

Next time I'm actually going AMD again and I don't give a damn if it'll be inferior again perfomance wise. The way AMD made massive leaps in terms of usability, interface and quality of software is just incomparable to NVIDIA which looks like a lazy sad sack of s**t. Yeah, they have fancy numbers in benchmarks, but no review ever tells you how garbage drivers are or how rotten driver control panel is or how glitchy and broken extra features are. They'll only mention if it directly affects the test numbers, otherwise no one even mentions any of it. I only had 2 recent NVIDIA graphic cards and just in this timeframe, things went downhill. Badly.

@Vayra86
Nothing is exceeding anything because it IS capable of rendering 4K DSR on 1080p screen at 144Hz. It's just a lazy design which just automatically assumes 4K can only be at 60Hz even if system is capable of more. And it's even worse when you realize it's actually capable of 4K DSR at 144Hz, but refuses to work at that unless game enforces it. Meaning in 99% of games, you'll be stuck at garbage 60Hz 1080p output on a 144Hz 1080p display. I'd be using DSR in many games, but I just can't because it's useless at 60Hz. I may just as well buy a crap 1080p monitor for 100€ then. Coz my 350€ one just makes no difference... This could literally be fixed with just few lines of code where driver just knows t read freaking max refresh rate for DSR and use it. Instead it just blindly uses 60Hz even though 144Hz is there ready to be used. I was asking people if VSR from AMD is experiencing same issues, but no one could tell me. They probably didn't even understand what I mean or they have a 60Hz screen anyway...
 
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My experience with the geforce control panel isn't all that positive either. There is apparently quite a bunch of people that like the "windows Xp" like interface and are saying that thing like crimson are just fancy heavy interface, but even with an interface so simple, Nvidia control panel is a gaz factory, while crimson is butter smooth. Ui design have come a long way since the 90's and it's possible to make a newer panel that would feel more modern and easier to work with. I'm not really buying the "function over appearance" thing, because design is all about making the life of the customer easier, while avoiding to look ugly. If it's failing at that it's just bad design.

Nvidia got so much money, they could easily ask the best UI designer in the market to fix that for them.

Crimson isn't perfect either, but at least it doesn't reminds me of the era were i had a laptop with a single core celeron @1.47Ghz and 512mb of ram.
 
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Minority? Go open a NV Control Panel. It takes half a day to open on ALL systems, even with bloody high performance SSD. Change any setting in it. It'll always reset the list to the top. On ALL systems. It looks like software that escaped from 2005. On ALL systems. Enable DSR. It actually won't work at all until you reboot. It wasn't like this and it certainly isn't intentional because it would warn you to reboot. Again, on ALL systems. Most o this stuff for years now. It doesn't matter if I'm a minority or not, they just plain don't give a f**k. All this could be fixed years ago and they've decided not to because they just don't care. I'd be ashamed to have my company branding on such pile of broken mess. I'd be disgraced using such product where even the very basics don't work good, and me idiot expecting delicate things like correct refresh under DSR. God I'm naive...

Next time I'm actually going AMD again and I don't give a damn if it'll be inferior again perfomance wise. The way AMD made massive leaps in terms of usability, interface and quality of software is just incomparable to NVIDIA which looks like a lazy sad sack of s**t. Yeah, they have fancy numbers in benchmarks, but no review ever tells you how garbage drivers are or how rotten driver control panel is or how glitchy and broken extra features are. They'll only mention if it directly affects the test numbers, otherwise no one even mentions any of it. I only had 2 recent NVIDIA graphic cards and just in this timeframe, things went downhill. Badly.

@Vayra86
Nothing is exceeding anything because it IS capable of rendering 4K DSR on 1080p screen at 144Hz. It's just a lazy design which just automatically assumes 4K can only be at 60Hz even if system is capable of more. And it's even worse when you realize it's actually capable of 4K DSR at 144Hz, but refuses to work at that unless game enforces it. Meaning in 99% of games, you'll be stuck at garbage 60Hz 1080p output on a 144Hz 1080p display. I'd be using DSR in many games, but I just can't because it's useless at 60Hz. I may just as well buy a crap 1080p monitor for 100€ then. Coz my 350€ one just makes no difference... This could literally be fixed with just few lines of code where driver just knows t read freaking max refresh rate for DSR and use it. Instead it just blindly uses 60Hz even though 144Hz is there ready to be used. I was asking people if VSR from AMD is experiencing same issues, but no one could tell me. They probably didn't even understand what I mean or they have a 60Hz screen anyway...
Just a thought, but you can just run 144hz@ 1080p without DSR no? And have you tried not a 2x DSR, but other ratios like 1.5, 1.33 etc? Does it do the same thing? It will be interesting info because it can point to the cause of this issue.

4K DSR + 144hz does exceed display interface specs in any case, so again, if stuff talks in 4K@144 internally, I can see why the driver limits it to a 'usable' output stream. I also understand your point, and I agree it might be fixable; at the same time, 4K DSR on a 1080p panel.... yeah rather pointless imo. I can definitely see its a niche thats probably at the very bottom of everyone's priority list over at NV.

At the same time, you're 100% right about NVCP, it could use a facelift. Instead we get GFE... Nvidia prefers being busy with telemetry and tweaking game IQ sliders for us, I suppose :p I can't however say that any really horrible stuff that is reported to NV, is not being worked on. If you look through the official patch notes for each driver release, the lists of fixes are very well documented and quite long.
 
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I'm not even asking for a total redesign. If they only made it load faster and not reset the list of settings tot he top on every damn thing you change and that would already be a start.

@Vayra86
Again, it doesn't matter. It's all internal. Display doesn't care what is graphic card doing internally (which is DSR as whole as one big trickery). But when you send the output image through DisplayPort port, that's where it matters at what refresh signal is broadcasted. And on output, it's 1080p, not 4K. Meaning, there is no debate whether something is exceeding something, it's 1080p output. It should and I demand it to run at 144Hz. The end. It runs at 60Hz because someone was lazy and sloppy when making DSR. But instead of listening to "minority" and fixing it, making it fixed for ANYONE using it in the future, they've decided to just keep it broken. They can brag about it how cool it is, but you'll realize it's broken when you'll have 800€ graphic card in your hands and not being able to use the damn thing. Reporting a bug won't do anything ever because those users will be again in a minority. It'll just never ever improve. So, yeah, F u NVIDIA.
 
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Go open a NV Control Panel. It takes half a day to open on ALL systems, even with bloody high performance SSD. Change any setting in it.
Not anymore it doesn't, the last several versions did not have this behaviour.
Enable DSR. It actually won't work at all until you reboot.
Never had that problem either, ever since it was introduced, but I tend to use custom resolutions anyway, as they don't add that horrible blur filter or vice versa if you disable sharpening.
I was asking people if VSR from AMD is experiencing same issues, but no one could tell me.
Used that and it was barely usable, even after all of this time it was still limited to what resolutions you could use.