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NVIDIA Fermi-based GeForce GPU Further Delayed?

Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, Dec 29, 2009.

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    wow in 2-3 hours this thread has gone wild :wtf: :wtf: , nothing but useless banter about something that doesn't exist yet :shadedshu :shadedshu :shadedshu

    have fun :twitch:
     
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    its funny cause we all know that current nvidia cards deliver great performance and tech (cuda+physx+great drivers) and the current games work just fine on nvidia cards and i prefer tu keep my GTX285 and play all the current games on max setting except DIRT 2 with Dx11 that i just can't differ from Dx10 and pay $50 or $100 just for that less than 5 games with Dx11 and some frames per second... Fermi will rock like all other nvidia cards since 8800 series... ATi better RUN and improve as much as they can cause March will be the deadline for them...
     
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    basically what happened was they were supposed to be demo'd in Q4 2009 to investors and whatnot and shipped to vendors in January 2010, but now they are going to be shipped in march by the looks, if you count in the time it take for vendors to recieve the cards(shipping takes a few weeks) your looking at a very late march release, more than likely a solid april release.

    I wonder what exactly happened though because the high end telsa the C2070 was delayed (more than likely connected to this problem) but the other one wasn't, maybe its a problem with high binned cores.
     
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    Goodie, that's close to my birthday so I'll have an excuse to upgrade my 5770 to something more powerful. :laugh:
     
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    I didn't forget it, but I also didn't forget more current news. When more recent news from NV states Q1 I tend to ignore the idea of a Q4 release. Also it's the end of Q4... they say Q1, and what do I think? It could be any time between the beginning and end of Q1. It would be retarded to speculate, and doing so would just express my hopes for a new card to be released.
     
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    The current hd5970 can pretty much handle any game without lagging. Don't see anyone in their right mind to upgrade to a faster card beside bragging rights. If ATI doesn't have a new card to answer Fermi on their release then I think ATI will have more hd5xxx card availability for their advantage.
     
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    I am waiting for the next-gen ati :D
     
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    Most of what you say agrees with me, the important thing however is that you think they are being made available at sufficient levels and are selling so quick that there is never enuff to meet the consumers requirements, when in fact the position is...... IMO (outside of N.America.... which was my origional point), they are not selling well because they have NEVER been readily available, and those that are (in most cases) are being sold well above AMD's suggested retail price...... my point being that sales are not going very well because of limited availability.

    Now you will see from my specs that I am not a "green" supporter, however, if NVidia launched a series of what is clearly a ground breaking architecture and they were not readily avialable to the masses..... many would shout..... "paper launch".... my point being that AMD, if they could throw out double the numbers that they are would really saturate the market and perhaps make more money, the fact that they are unable to (based on the fact that I would buy a 5870 if they were available and at suggested UK retail prices) suggests to me that they are missing a trick somewhat!
     
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    thats 1 thing tmsc is falling apart, and i suspect the 6000 hd radeons to be done by GF.
     
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    omg.... ppl relax.
    there is so much fan-boy-ism in this thread it makes one ill.
    ATi had a large lead and this latest -`delay` to a hardware noone on the planet is yet to witness- makes it all the larger. FINISHED.
    Actually Im more concerned with Nvidia`s affixation with creating bland, uninteresting comics about Intel`s lack of a GPU to worry about the fact they themselves have none?!?!?!? OMFG?!?!???!
    Peraonlly, I`m believe never buying another Nvidia GPU because of their childish, demeaning, arrogant appraocach to business... ohh well
    Fact is Nvidia need to wake up... FINISHED....
    The only real loser is the consumer... shame really...
     
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    As of Q3 2009 (latest figures), intel is the world leader in Graphic solutions with a Market share of 52.7%, whilst NVidia enjoy 24.9% and AMD enjoy 19.8%.

    Clearly IGP Motherboard solutions rulz! :rockout:
     
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    obviously because of the common user is the majority, they only care about if it turns on and that is about it. When it comes to fixing their stuff they come to the enthusiasts for help.
     
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    Odd, I wasn't talking about their re-branding which we are already aware of (and most dislike). But their attempt to take some of the 5000 series attention away by allowing the rumors of a Q4 2009 release of their competing card. Ultimately it didn't work. And, now it's clear they weren't ready in Q4 2009 and it's still sketchy when they will be ready in 2010.
     
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    o my bad then i must have missed that.
     
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    1 game? Dirt 2, Battleforge, STALKER call of Pripyat? BF BC 2 beta is out in less than a month supporting DX11 also, and AVP is slated for Q1 2010 also DDO and LOTRO are both slated to be running DX11 in Q1 2010.

    And no a GTX 285 is not a 2 year old GPU, (maybe its based off one but its still not 2 years old), if you mean the year old 285 keeps up with the budget top end 5850, thats exactly what was intended, to release a whole line of cards over $300 for all of them would be stupid.

    If you over see all of that, saying your not a NV fanboy seems kind of pointless. That list of games that are out or will be out before NV even makes it to the party is a real nice list of games. I mean I want to see some competition here, so far 5850's and 5870's have increased in price. But to say NV isn't worried, or for some people to think that they are going to come back from a half a year slouch to grab the crown and expect ATI to have taken a half year off and done nothing, thats just crazyness.

    It's a thread about a product that isn't out yet, that has some harsh competition. There isn't going to be anything in here except people guessing the future, I'm not sure what else you expect from a thread like this?
     
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    :shadedshu I believe something resembling an intelligent discussion would be more appropriate on such a site rather than watching a crowd of angry toddlers flinging mud at each other while their favorite Fortune 500 corporations are laughing all their way to the bank.

    This is why I don't give a d@mn about PC gaming anymore. In 6 months both cards are superseded by new ones anyways, so who gives a f*ck? Really?!? Mine is bigger than yours, yours is bigger than mine, crybaby here, crybaby there...JUST SHUT THE F*CK UP! Let the best GPU win, and remember to fold for a good cause. Flame me all you want, I really do not care at all and I won't read this garbage of a thread because I'm too busy playing my favorite games *right now* instead of thinking which game I might want to play in 2011.

    /me goes back to his console, quietly enjoying his games without worrying which driver will work this time, is it 12.54321.98 or will 12.54321.97 be enough?

    Some food for thought.
     
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    I'm getting the feeling nVidia might be heading into some turbulent waters here, soon . . .

    Fermi seems to be so far off track at this point, it makes one kinda curious as to how this has happened . . . is it due to the fact that it's been so long since nVidia have R&D anything "new" that doing actual R&D has set them back? It defi can't be a funding issue . . . Perhaps they've run more into performance issues, and the new hardware isn't living up to expectations?

    IDK . . . I don't really care, either.

    I'm interested to see what these cards will be capable of . . . when they come out . . . but I can't help but get the impression that nVidia is trying to compete with vaporware at this point. Trying to build up hype, and keep the name in the headlines, whilst ATI are still rolling their thunder.



    Whatever, though - it'll be interesting the closer it gets to release. I'm definite that ATI will have something up their sleeve . . . the last few series releases have been executed remarkably from ATI, a "counter-attack" at near the same time nVidia makes a move. I'm sure They have plans for a 5890, and/or a stockpiling of 5970s that they're going to drop on the market at the same time nVidia throw the GT300 series out . . . couple with ATI's typical price drops with new card releases, Fermi is going to have MAJOR competition across the board . . . and more than likely, ATI's 6000 series won't be more than a few months off at that point, either . . .
     
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    they have been in turbulent waters since the G92.
     
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    Well I'm telling you, because I use Quadro at work and (used to use) my 4870X2 home, when comes to render in real-time, for example a CATIA/Solid Works assembly, the Quadro is more than 10 times faster. The same thing applies when working with big assemblies or complex surfaces models, the ATI just cannot take it. ;)
     
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    Yeah - but not too many people were really willing to acknowledge it (much less nVidia).

    S'all good. Every couple of years the leader of this hardware market (not sales) shifts hands. nVidia have maintained control for a couple of years, the time has been brewing for it to land back in ATI's hands for a couple of years.
     
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    ......but u were comparing an ati card to an nvidia workstation card...

    if you were to compair the desktop version vs its workstation = it will be better. but im saying it deff isnt worth the thousands.
     
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    DX11 card when it is released wont be obsolete and even if ATI manages to overclock a 5870 some more and call it a 5970 the GT300 will probably still whoop it.

    GTX260 is how old? And ATI is still trying to compete with that? Seems like Intel/AMD to me.

    Yea 1 game. Dirt 2 is the ONLY game out right now that is DX11. Stalkers engine is old as the hills and only has a DX11 patch and that game as well as Bad Company 2 will be released around the time of Fermi IF its released around march. So....my point still remains.

    Im talking about the G200 chip in general. We wont name rehashes like a 55nm counterpart. The GTX 280 is about 1.5 years old and with it i can get performance right under a 5870.

    And yea Nvidia isnt worried. They always come back with an ultimate GPU that completely dominates and it takes over a year for ATI to catch up. As i had said earlier, an overclocked version of a 5870 dubbed 5970 wont make much of a difference. If i was such a fanboy i would be using my 8800GS instead of a 4850 since my 280 died. So all im doing is basing facts with educated opinion on the matter. Being a reviewer i get more info than the general public where these things are concerned.

    Im just tired of people bashing Nvidia for delaying and making sure the chip dosent have the faults it did when its released. Idk about yall, but i would rather Nvidia do what they normally do and take a while to make a badass chip then play EA and release buggy shit that people bitch about. Release a monster chip and make ATI play catchup for over a year :laugh:
     
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    uh well yes the workstation cards are worth thousands. It's not for personal use its for business, and if you consider that the people rendering engineering assemblies in CAD or doing high budget CGI rendering are getting paid well over $100K per year to do their work - time rendering is paying the people to sit on their arses, and no business in their right mind would do that.
     
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    Workstation cards arent worth the cash. They are the same thing with a different firmware and more ram.
     
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    if you mod the drivers (or BIOS flash) cards between quadro and geforce, or radeon and fireGL - you get the performance boosts.

    They deliberately cripple the gaming cards drivers, so that they can charge more for the workstation cards - often the hardware is exactly the same
     
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