Overclocking help

[krusha03]

I did that, and it worked.

Can i get 4ghz, without toucing httlink cpu-nb?

I tried

20x multip = 4ghz, 1.426 voltage.

also enabled XMP and it adjusted it self to 9-9-9-24 1.5 something voltage.
i booted and were in window for like 5-10 minutes before it shuted down.
So what's the next move from there.

you shouldn't touch ht cpu nb freq. leave them at default. whe whole point if xmp is that it sets everything automatically so you shouldn't set things for the ram itself unless you wanna tweak the settings (you don't).

overclocking depends on your chip and settings so you may or may not get 4ghz, its not guaranteed. why did your pc shut down?blue screen or temperature? try more voltage.

 

[landstad]

you shouldn't touch ht cpu nb freq. leave them at default. whe whole point if xmp is that it sets everything automatically so you shouldn't set things for the ram itself unless you wanna tweak the settings (you don't).

overclocking depends on your chip and settings so you may or may not get 4ghz, its not guaranteed. why did your pc shut down?blue screen or temperature? try more voltage.

It was not overheating, mabyee lack of voltage.

try bump it up to 1.45 then...

@Schmuckley


EDIT: 22:19

Now i tried with 4ghz 20x multip 1.456v, and it wouldn't post.
had to clear cmos.

@krusha03

 

[Schmuckley]

you shouldn't touch ht cpu nb freq. leave them at default. whe whole point if xmp is that it sets everything automatically so you shouldn't set things for the ram itself unless you wanna tweak the settings (you don't).

overclocking depends on your chip and settings so you may or may not get 4ghz, its not guaranteed. why did your pc shut down?blue screen or temperature? try more voltage.

What?
OCing the CPU/NB is what allows you to get higher clocks.
It's really the 1st thing you should do..
AND it speeds everything up.

 

[landstad]

What?
OCing the CPU/NB is what allows you to get higher clocks.
It's really the 1st thing you should do..
AND it speeds everything up.

Yes, okey.

Mabyee i shouldnt use XMP, cause it looks like I can't boot when it's activated.

 

[krusha03]

What?
OCing the CPU/NB is what allows you to get higher clocks.
It's really the 1st thing you should do..
AND it speeds everything up.

Have you really ever overclocked an amd athlon? or are you just pulling random facts out of your ass?

Yes, okey.

Mabyee i shouldnt use XMP, cause it looks like I can't boot when it's activated.

I just realized what you meant by Crucial DDR3 BallistiX Sport 1600MHz 16GB (4GB4). You have 4 sticks right? The memory controller which is on your CPU in the phenom does not support DDR3 @ 1600Mhz with 4 sticks. Set it manually to DDR3 1333 MHz. You wont loose anything in gaming anyway. Alternatively you can try increasing the voltage of your CPU/NB voltage ~1.3v and also sticks to ~1.65V and see if that helps running them at 1600Mhz

 

[Schmuckley]

Have you really ever overclocked an amd athlon? or are you just pulling random facts out of your ass?


I just realized what you meant by Crucial DDR3 BallistiX Sport 1600MHz 16GB (4GB4). You have 4 sticks right? The memory controller which is on your CPU in the phenom does not support DDR3 @ 1600Mhz with 4 sticks. Set it manually to DDR3 1333 MHz. You wont loose anything in gaming anyway. Alternatively you can try increasing the voltage of your CPU/NB voltage ~1.3v and also sticks to ~1.65V and see if that helps running them at 1600Mhz

9 Athlons,1 Opteron 1210,7 Deneb/Thubans,3 Semprons...that are posted.

 

[krusha03]

http://hwbot.org/user/schmuckley/#Hardware_Library

Thank you for your link. I don't have hwbot account but I have overclocked a number of 939/AM3+ CPUs and at least for AM3 what I can say is that running the HT link and NB link at the same speed helps to push the CPU further. I have never seen that increasing your HT / NB clock past the rated frequencies to help pushing the CPU further but on the contrary to show instabilities sooner. I have not overclocked a phenom myself but AMD X2s/X4s/FX. Times and technology change but I started with overclocking AMD K-6 and Pentium Is so it's not like i dont know what I am talking about as well

 

[eidairaman1]

I think Chip lotto is applying here.

 

[krusha03]

I think Chip lotto is applying here.

the fact that he cant even boot at stock with the XMP profile makes me thing it's the memory controller on the cpu that cant handle 4 sticks @ 1600Mhz

 

[Schmuckley]

Sometimes those x.m.p. things can be weird..trying to auto-set things wrong..
I'd put it on manual.
Keep the RAM around 1600-ish.
Those are probably Micron sticks..I'd give them up to 1.68v for daily..
on AMD..
see how well they tighten up.
OC cpu/nb..
Here's how my settings look (from memory)
Vcore: 1.44 (I have a CHV, though) ..and water cooling
CPU/NB: 1.37v
NB: 1.26v
HT link: 22-something
CPU/NB: 2800Mhz
REf clock: 240-ish i think..
RAM: 15-something Mhz @ 7-8-8-20-28 1t (Samsung 4gb sticks)
DRAM voltage 1.68v
HT link V: 1.24

 

[landstad]

Sometimes those x.m.p. things can be weird..trying to auto-set things wrong..
I'd put it on manual.

No i got bsod without any clock, loaded defaults.

 

[Schmuckley]

Put it on manual with everything on AUTO
then start tweaking things one at a time..
Save profile every other boot or so..
That way if you take a wrong turn,you're not back to square 1.

 

[Johan45]

Yeah what schmuckley said, XMP is for Intel and doesn't work as advertised on AMD half the time. Manual timings are a must and the NB is crucial for overclocking a PII or Thuban.
So for 4.0 you should have a minimum of 2600 NB speed and with that 1100T if it's not posting at 1.45v, that one will likely need 1.5v in or around that any way. There were some really good ones and some not so good ones.

 

[eidairaman1]

Yeah what schmuckley said, XMP is for Intel and doesn't work as advertised on AMD half the time. Manual timings are a must and the NB is crucial for overclocking a PII or Thuban.
So for 4.0 you should have a minimum of 2600 NB speed and with that 1100T if it's not posting at 1.45v, that one will likely need 1.5v in or around that any way. There were some really good ones and some not so good ones.

Odd DOCP (XMP) works on my 2133 ram and I run it atthat with the cpu itsrlf at 4.7GHz on stock vcore

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Knocking the multiplier DOWN by 0.5 or 1.0 can help with achieving higher speeds. I have experience with Athlons and Phenoms (BE).

 

[Johan45]

Odd DOCP (XMP) works on my 2133 ram and I run it atthat with the cpu itsrlf at 4.7GHz on stock vcore

That's good. DOCP isn't XMP and I don't use it either. You may find that with a different BIOS version on the same board and ram that the DOCP won't work very well. MB don't always pick up the SPD from the ram properly and can cause you a whole lot of grief.

 

[krusha03]

While i agree that setting the timings manually it's a better option, you need to know what you are doing. Also at least when i overclock the CPU and try to find the limit i tend to underclock the ram and the rest of the things that might hold me back. Only then i find the max clock that my CPU can achieve i start tweaking the ram

 

[Johan45]

I found a link to some testing I did that shows exactly what I was saying in my previous post. The MB depending on BIOS version was reading the ram incorrectly http://www.overclockers.com/forums/...Putzen-Round?p=7657778&viewfull=1#post7657778

 

[krusha03]

I found a link to some testing I did that shows exactly what I was saying in my previous post. The MB depending on BIOS version was reading the ram incorrectly http://www.overclockers.com/forums/...Putzen-Round?p=7657778&viewfull=1#post7657778

That is true but this is coming from the AMD website

Integrated DRAM Controller with AMD Memory Optimizer Technology

• A high-bandwidth, low-latency integrated memory controller
• Supports PC2-8500 (DDR2-1066); PC2-6400 (DDR2-800), PC2-5300 (DDR2-667), PC2-4200 (DDR2-533) or PC2-3200 (DDR2-400) SDRAM unbuffered DIMMs – AM2+
• Support for unregistered DIMMs up to PC2 8500(DDR2-1066MHz) and PC3 10600 (DDR3-1333MHz) – AM3
• Up to 17.1GB/s memory bandwidth for DDR2 and up to 21GB/s memory bandwidth for DDR3
  • Benefit: Quick access to system memory for better performance.

Afaik Phenom does not support officially DDR3 1600, that is not saying it wont work but having 4 sticks will probably require upping the voltage of the CPU-NB and the memory sticks themselves even when running everything on stock. This will require testing to find stable settings. Underclocking the ram to <1333MHz will allow him to isolate the cpu and find it's limit first. XMP profiles work fine with my AMD FX

 

[Johan45]

Good point but any that I have had especially the thubans will handle 1600+. As you say though 16Gb may be a bit harder to stabilize. For testing it may be a good idea to remove two sticks. I still feel though the biggest hold up here for 4.0 is V_Core. From my experience , like I said earlier if he can't get it to boot at 1.45 it's going to need a big bump in voltage to get over that hump. If that doesn't work then I'd examine the ram/nb situation

 

[vega22]

the fact that he cant even boot at stock with the XMP profile makes me thing it's the memory controller on the cpu that cant handle 4 sticks @ 1600Mhz

^^^^

this.

i think you should be able to get them close by setting the ddrvolts/timings and maybe a slight bump to nb/cpu>nb voltages.

that might help or hinder nb speed idk.

 

[eidairaman1]

That's good. DOCP isn't XMP and I don't use it either. You may find that with a different BIOS version on the same board and ram that the DOCP won't work very well. MB don't always pick up the SPD from the ram properly and can cause you a whole lot of grief.

On latest stable release, DOCP i use xmp profile 2 which my ram is rated for.

 

[landstad]

Hey guys.

Now i finnaly have mann'd my self up to clock the computer..
last time it wouldnt start up..

this is the setup

20x multiplier = 4ghz
+1.1v 1.456v cpu

Cpu/nb 2800, 1.25v

ram down clock to 1333

temprature stable at 30c,

Have been runing it for a short time, gonna start prime95 and see how it goes.


EDIT 1148:

Is VIN 3 in hw monitor Cpu/nb voltpower ?

It says 1.388.

another Q, There is a thing call'd CPU CORE CONTROLL, in bios. should that be disabled ?
i stand's on auto now or enebled cant remeber
@krusha03

Edit 1220:

after 20 minutes in windows i got bsod, So now i set the CPU Vcore to (+1.2)=1.472v.
And i saw that the cpu np voltage only was 1.23,v so i set that up to 1.25 now.
and i set the ram to 1600ish

But in bios the temprature said 47, but in OCCT and hwmonitor it says 30c ish.

EDIT 12:28

 

[landstad]

Now the CPU VCORE is 1.480v. and CPU NB 1.300
ram 1333 1.5volt...

have tried sevral options below that with no succses, the mhz on cpu nb is 2800, should i try go down to 2600 ? and should i use the xmp profiles ? Unlock cpu core maybee ? one said don't do that, one guy told me do it.

to be honest i think i can't go more up on the voltages now.


Can the bsod messages tell me whats could cause the bsod?


Datamaskinen startet på nytt etter en feilkontroll. Feilkontrollen var: 0x00000101 (0x0000000000000021, 0x0000000000000000, 0xfffff88002d41180, 0x0000000000000004). Dump ble lagret i: C:\Windows\MEMORY.DMP. Rapport-ID: 041115-51074-01.


Also got this one two times : 0x00000050

I seems like it's and conflict between gpu driver and SP1

I do now use 144hz, should i go back to 60 hz when i'm trying to clock my pc ?




"Hi,

According to your dump file the issue is with your Processor. This occurs when the processor is nonresponsive or is deadlocked.

Possible Solutions :

a) BIOS bug
b) a driver whose activity is causing the target processor to lock up
c) a hardware defect (temperature, voltage, dust, RFI, outright borkedness...)
- H2SO4
For more info http://www.carrona.org/bsodindx.html#0x00000101"

I found this when i googled it.

 

[krusha03]

Use HWinfo for monitoring and I don't get the screen-shots all of them are during idle. Post one during load