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WAT? Oil for electrical contact improvement?
  1. If it's conductive to increase the contact area you get short-circuits between pins.
  2. If it's an insulator you prevent any of the pins from making contact at all
  3. If it's a semiconductor in solution it won't conduct once dried (that's not how semiconductors work)
  4. If it's an low-viscosity insulating oil that is scraped out of the way by the contacts and pins, then it is a placebo.
Place your bets, gentlemen. FWIW, I've bet the farm on number 4.
 
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All the Snake Oil about the AMP PSU..
Back on topic.
And I still stand behind my statements. You can pump out the Snake OIL all you want. It changes NOTHING!
First off there is no OIL you can put on a cable to make it more efficient or any more conductive than it is.
Just Snake Oil being sold to unsuspecting people to get there money.
We are in agreement here. The best electrical contact occurs with direct metal-to-metal contact. That is, you must have a proper "mechanical" connection first in order to achieve the best electrical (0Ω) connection. No oil or other compound sitting between the two conductors is going to improve that. Period!

FTR, my first love in electronics was in supporting audiophile grade audio reproduction equipment - going back to the mid to late 60s when my dad bought a set of Acoustic Research AR-3 speakers and "stereo" was the new-fangled thing. I spent nearly 2 month's pay buying a pair of AR-3a speakers (which I still have!). It was a good thing I lived in the barracks and ate in the mess hall. ;)

I've been using electrical contact "grease" since tech school in 1971! Though "grease" is a misnomer. It not grease at all. The product and idea is nothing new. But it does NOT improve conductivity or audio fidelity. Never has and never will.

But what it does do, and does very well, is prevent moisture and other contaminants from getting in between the contacts, to include (and here's the kicker) oxygen. No oxygen and no oxidation! No oxidation, no corrosion. No corrosion, no loss in conductivity.

So what that contact "grease"/snake oil does is prevent oxidation (a good thing) thus preventing (or at least minimizing) the degradation of sound quality due to contact contamination.
It only improves sound quality IF that sound quality was degraded in the first place due to a poor (perhaps worn or damaged) mechanical connection.
 
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If it has gold connectors there should be none of that?

unless you bring your stereo in the shower:p
 
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Did you know Dolby Atmos is snake oil............ but not anymore?! o_O :roll: :roll:

Yeah I think...? Something to do with the status of that technology? I remember when surround was widely regarded as definitely not audiophile... but Atmos somehow is because more speakers were added.

Remarkably similar logic :D
 

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We are in agreement here. The best electrical contact occurs with direct metal-to-metal contact. That is, you must have a proper "mechanical" connection first in order to achieve the best electrical (0Ω) connection. No oil or other compound sitting between the two conductors is going to improve that. Period!

FTR, my first love in electronics was in supporting audiophile grade audio reproduction equipment - going back to the mid to late 60s when my dad bought a set of Acoustic Research AR-3 speakers and "stereo" was the new-fangled thing. I spent nearly 2 month's pay buying a pair of AR-3a speakers (which I still have!). It was a good thing I lived in the barracks and ate in the mess hall. ;)

I've been using electrical contact "grease" since tech school in 1971! Though "grease" is a misnomer. It not grease at all. The product and idea is nothing new. But it does NOT improve conductivity or audio fidelity. Never has and never will.

But what it does do, and does very well, is prevent moisture and other contaminants from getting in between the contacts, to include (and here's the kicker) oxygen. No oxygen and no oxidation! No oxidation, no corrosion. No corrosion, no loss in conductivity.

So what that contact "grease"/snake oil does is prevent oxidation (a good thing) thus preventing (or at least minimizing) the degradation of sound quality due to contact contamination.
It only improves sound quality IF that sound quality was degraded in the first place due to a poor (perhaps worn or damaged) mechanical connection.
Yeah so does soldering the connections. LOL I solder all my wire's when possible.
Like my speaker wires are all soldered. Now I know exactly what you are talking about I used that "electronic grease" for a lot of stuff, Mainly when putting things in my boat each wire end gets a generous application the stuff I use is like Vaseline and is used to keep out water and moisture as well as oxygen.
Once I solder the connections I just apply the electronic grease to the ends I never get corrosion.

Did you know Dolby Atmos is snake oil............ but not anymore?! o_O :roll: :roll:
I think what is funny is the term Audiophile. And the term Audiophile is Snake OIL in my honest opinion. PURE SNAKE OIL!
 
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If it has gold connectors there should be none of that?
Yes but... .

Gold is sometimes used because it does not oxidize or corrode. HOWEVER, gold is NOT, by a long shot, the best conductor. In fact, it is barely better than aluminum. Silver is the best by far, but it oxidizes/corrodes way too easily. Copper is almost as good as silver, which is much better than gold. and while copper still oxidizes, it is not nearly has fast as silver. And copper is definitely more affordable than silver or gold.

If copper sets the standard at 100% conductivity, silver will come in ~ 109%. But gold is way down to ~ 70% conductive. (source)

Sadly, you will often see gold used more as a marketing gimmick because people incorrectly think it is better. Its not.
unless you bring your stereo in the shower
Actually, totally wet is better (in terms of preventing oxidation) than simply being in a humid environment.

Yeah so does soldering the connections.
Yeah! While the exterior of the solder may show some oxidation, the mechanical connection underneath is nicely isolated from oxygen. :) Yeah, solder and shrink wrap (when practical) is great!
 
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I think what is funny is the term Audiophile. And the term Audiophile is Snake OIL in my honest opinion. PURE SNAKE OIL!
Audiophile isn't snake oil though. Do you understand what the definition of Snake oil is?

An audiophile is a hi-fi enthusiast (someone that cares and tried to get the best sound they can from whatever setup they have using known rules from governing bodies and applies that in their room). Now, many people will define that differently, but the term isn't snake oil... there are audiophile grade hardware, but again, not snake oil... that definition has some grey area, like calling a Fisher stereo in a box audiophile quality. People's definition of what constitutes 'audiophile' grade equipment varies.... but being an audiophile or having 'audiophile' level products isn't, by definition, snake oil. Again, the problem is there isn't a defined line of what is/is not audiophile type equipment. I don't consider what I have as audiophile ($400 Sony receiver, Polk 12" sub, Paradigm center channel and surrounds, and Bose 401's... someone else may consider that audiophile level. I call it off the shelf and affordable. Same as most Klipsch speakers and Denon receivers. But you obviously feel it is audiophile level. The good part.........nobody is wrong here. ;)


...buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut it isn't snake oil no matter how you slice it.
 
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I think what is funny is the term Audiophile. And the term Audiophile is Snake OIL in my honest opinion. PURE SNAKE OIL!
Ummm. No. Considering it goes back nearly 70 years and comes from Greek and literally means "someone with a love of audio". So I think it makes perfect sense.

That said, I am not going to pretend marketing weenies haven't abused, twisted and obliterated the word. :(
 

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Like any word if used to much it looses it's meaning.
And as rich snobs and Know it all's took over the word it is MEANINGLESS to me.
Now if you don't have ATMOS and 50 speakers and 10k in wires and some over priced out of reach system and your speakers have to be PERFECTLY ABSOLUTELY 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% Perfectly aligned and at the right angle and you HAVE to MUST have can NOT be an audiophile UNLESS you have your system hooked up via HDMI!
YEAH FING SNAKE OIL!!!!!
 
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Like any word if used to much it looses it's meaning.
And as rich snobs and Know it all's took over the word it is MEANINGLESS to me.
Now if you don't have ATMOS and 50 speakers and 10k in wires and some over priced out of reach system and your speakers have to be PERFECTLY ABSOLUTELY 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% Perfectly aligned and at the right angle and you HAVE to MUST have can NOT be an audiophile UNLESS you have your system hooked up via HDMI!
YEAH FING SNAKE OIL!!!!!
I'm thankful breathing is involuntary....I worry about some people... LOLOL
 
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You don't have to be rich or a snob to appreciate "audiophile" quality sound being reproduced from "audiophile" quality reproduction equipment. I may not be able to afford a $10,000 speaker, but I sure do love listening to it.
 

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All I have to say about the OP's post is "Watch out". If it sounds too good to be true it most likely is.
 
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We are in agreement here. The best electrical contact occurs with direct metal-to-metal contact. That is, you must have a proper "mechanical" connection first in order to achieve the best electrical (0Ω) connection. No oil or other compound sitting between the two conductors is going to improve that. Period!

FTR, my first love in electronics was in supporting audiophile grade audio reproduction equipment - going back to the mid to late 60s when my dad bought a set of Acoustic Research AR-3 speakers and "stereo" was the new-fangled thing. I spent nearly 2 month's pay buying a pair of AR-3a speakers (which I still have!). It was a good thing I lived in the barracks and ate in the mess hall. ;)

I've been using electrical contact "grease" since tech school in 1971! Though "grease" is a misnomer. It not grease at all. The product and idea is nothing new. But it does NOT improve conductivity or audio fidelity. Never has and never will.

But what it does do, and does very well, is prevent moisture and other contaminants from getting in between the contacts, to include (and here's the kicker) oxygen. No oxygen and no oxidation! No oxidation, no corrosion. No corrosion, no loss in conductivity.

So what that contact "grease"/snake oil does is prevent oxidation (a good thing) thus preventing (or at least minimizing) the degradation of sound quality due to contact contamination.
It only improves sound quality IF that sound quality was degraded in the first place due to a poor (perhaps worn or damaged) mechanical connection.

I agree with almost all of what you say, I just need some justification as to why (not overly) oxidized connections would lead to degraded sound quality, even with analog system. The only thing I can think of is that if the oxidization is great enough to cause pd across the connection, you'd lose the very lowest voltage part of the signal, but you can increase the line level in that case. Also, having a potential drop across the connector does not necessarily relate to losing any frequency of sound and I'm not exactly sure what it would relate to in terms of the quality of the audio.
 

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I agree with almost all of what you say, I just need some justification as to why (not overly) oxidized connections would lead to degraded sound quality, even with analog system. The only thing I can think of is that if the oxidization is great enough to cause pd across the connection, you'd lose the very lowest voltage part of the signal, but you can increase the line level in that case. Also, having a potential drop across the connector does not necessarily relate to losing any frequency of sound and I'm not exactly sure what it would relate to in terms of the quality of the audio.
Oxidized connection isn't going to lead to any real signal loss unless the area is also corroded. Oxidization should not cause any loss in perceptible sound, Unless there is corrosion of the metal.
So it's really not an issue unless you live is the saltiest air in the world.
 
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What metal is used for electrical contacts has and always will be irrelevant. Even high-carbon steel is soft enough at a microscopic level that when two contacts slide against each other they scrape off superficial oxide layers and make metal-to-metal contact.

Between the copper wiring of a cable itself, and the gold/aluminium/steel connector on the end of the cables - there's such a short distance of non-copper metal that it's completely irrelevant. We are talking resistivity (in Ωm) of tenths of a billion and distances in hundredths or thousandths of a meter. The difference in resistance between these different connector materials is going to be measured in trillionths of an Ohm, when other parts of the audio circuit have resistance in tens or hundreds of Ohms.

As for "Audiophile", I would assume that there are two types of people that label applies to:
  1. The first is someone like me who understands that audio quality depends on the entire chain recording/playback from the artist's instrument all the way back to your eardrums. You really don't need to spend silly money to get a good enough amp and speakers/headphones such that other parts of the chain (largely outside your control) become the limiting factor to sound quality.
  2. Hi-Fi snobs who go out of their way to find minute differences between audio hardware some of whom will take sides irrationally much like fanboys of any other demographic. I've met some pleasant Hi-Fi snobs and I've met some obnoxious Hi-Fi snobs. Most of them know what they're talking about in terms of sound differences but not all of them have a technical understanding of why the sound differences exist. The insufferable ones are those in this category who can be classified as both "fanboy" and "not technically inclined"
For the record, my cheap copper speaker cables get screwed into brass terminals on my equipment without any snake-oil lube. My off-the-peg amps and speakers are all "budget" by Hi-Fi or snobbish audio standards, and the vast majority of source material I play is lossy, compressed audio. Unsurprisingly, the biggest quality problem I face at home is dealing with the room acoustics and the quality of the calibration and equalisation job usually far outweighs the differences between $200 speakers and $20,000 speakers. As long as you're not using cheap earbuds, the inbuilt TV/monitor speakers or plastic computer speakers, you're probably doing just fine!
 
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  1. The first is someone like me who understands that audio quality depends on the entire chain recording/playback from the artist's instrument all the way back to your eardrums. You really don't need to spend silly money to get a good enough amp and speakers/headphones such that other parts of the chain (largely outside your control) become the limiting factor to sound quality.
  2. Hi-Fi snobs who go out of their way to find minute differences between audio hardware some of whom will take sides irrationally much like fanboys of any other demographic. I've met some pleasant Hi-Fi snobs and I've met some obnoxious Hi-Fi snobs. Most of them know what they're talking about in terms of sound differences but not all of them have a technical understanding of why the sound differences exist. The insufferable ones are those in this category who can be classified as both "fanboy" and "not technically inclined"
So well said (and timed)...QFT!
 
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I agree with almost all of what you say, I just need some justification as to why (not overly) oxidized connections would lead to degraded sound quality
You answered your own question. If not "overly oxidized" there wouldn't be any degraded sound quality - at least not what our ears could determine. But some of that will depend on which connection. For power amplifier outputs to speakers where you are talking many watts of power, no. But for a phono preamp connection where it takes the output of phono cartridge, which might be as low as .5mW (for moving coil cartridge), even a small amount of corrosion might impact sound quality.
As for "Audiophile", I would assume that there are two types of people that label applies to:
  1. The first is someone like me who understands that audio quality depends on the entire chain recording/playback from the artist's instrument all the way back to your eardrums. You really don't need to spend silly money to get a good enough amp and speakers/headphones such that other parts of the chain (largely outside your control) become the limiting factor to sound quality.
  2. Hi-Fi snobs who go out of their way to find minute differences between audio hardware some of whom will take sides irrationally much like fanboys of any other demographic. I've met some pleasant Hi-Fi snobs and I've met some obnoxious Hi-Fi snobs. Most of them know what they're talking about in terms of sound differences but not all of them have a technical understanding of why the sound differences exist. The insufferable ones are those in this category who can be classified as both "fanboy" and "not technically inclined"
I note the artist's instrument may be his or her vocal cords. The human voice is rich with intricate harmonics. And, for example, reproducing the sung letter "s" with some artists can be a real challenge with some speakers.

I would also argue that true audiophile snobs would not take sides irrationally like fanboys. Fanboys let their prejudices and biases cloud their judgement - even when confronted with undeniable "facts". A "true" audiophile may go green with jealousy and envy, but they would acknowledge the superiority (at least to themselves) of Speaker A over Speaker B if that were the case.

Of course, there is a lot of subjectivity involved too - especially with speakers. Two speakers with identical frequency responses and identical distortion curves and all other technical specs identical can still "sound" quite different to the discerning ear. That's where fanboyisms may come in.

I find myself somewhere around 1.3 or so on your 2 point scale. That is down from around 1.75 back in the day. That decline from my peak is not by choice but a matter of circumstances working on and around military flightlines for 24+ years. Jet noise, especially fighter jets will do a number on your hearing. Plus ironically, decades of listening to loud rock didn't help my hearing either! :rockout: And of course, old ears just aren't as discerning as they used to be. If I were 45 years younger and had a little deeper pockets, I would definitely be around a 2.5 on your scale because not only do I have the technical understanding of electronics and the recording and reproduction process, I know how to actually sit down, listen with purpose, and discern those tiny nuances between different speakers, phono cartridges, and other devices.

But alas, my ears are no longer young. :(

As a side note, I was very fortunate one year to help out the sound engineers set up for Mannheim Steamroller when they were doing a military appreciation concert. American Gramaphone Records and Mannheim Steamroller are headquartered in Omaha, near where I live. I learned a lot about audio mixing, recording and reproducing "live" events. And I learned even more how sound engineers can alter the sound, and how different a guitar, for example, can sound when standing in front of the guitarist versus when standing out in the audience, or when listening to the recording afterwards in your living room. The sound engineer is an integral part of any band.
 
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Oxidized connection isn't going to lead to any real signal loss unless the area is also corroded. Oxidization should not cause any loss in perceptible sound, Unless there is corrosion of the metal.
So it's really not an issue unless you live is the saltiest air in the world.
Ummm, not exactly. While corrosion may not be oxidation, oxidation is often a part of the corrosion process. And in excess, oxidation can cause signal attenuation. As seen here, oxidation "hinders the electrical conductivity of copper wire". Why? Because oxidation results in the loss of "free" electrons in the outer shell because they bond to the oxygen molecule. If no longer free, they cannot "flow" - as in the flow of current. By definition, oxidation is the electrochemical breakdown of metals.

HOWEVER, if there is a good, solid mechanical connection, oxygen should be blocked from getting in between the electrical contacts, preventing oxidation from occurring. This is why it is good practice to clean the contacts before connecting - especially if those connectors have been exposed to the air for some time.
 
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And of course, old ears just aren't as discerning as they used to be. If I were 45 years younger and had a little deeper pockets, I would definitely be around a 2.5 on your scale because not only do I have the technical understanding of electronics and the recording and reproduction process, I know how to actually sit down, listen with purpose, and discern those tiny nuances between different speakers, phono cartridges, and other devices.

But alas, my ears are no longer young.
I have a 'hearing age' of 35 or so. In other words, I can't hear shit if it's above 18KHz and stuff below 15KHz seems awful quiet.
It's sad that the youth mostly have to make do with bad, cheap audio and by the time they're old enough to afford and appreciate better their hearing is already past its prime.
 
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Man, it's no wonder people like to mess with audiophiles. It's all of the people responsible for this stuff who make every guy who likes nice audio gear look like a tool. There is a lot to dig into with different gear. Every transducer sounds different and excels at different things. There are all kinds of different speaker and headphone designs that can give you a different experience with the music. Same with different amplifier topologies. Different ones bring different transducers to life in different ways. Just as no transducer is perfectly accurate, different amps add/omit certain things. Meaning there are different balances you can strike depending on what engages you more to the music. There's some real ingenuity that goes into designing a really good discreet amp. And what they get from the DAC can change the sound, too... you can get slightly different tonal qualities to the overall sound, with a range of different presentations.

I feel like this should be intuitive. You remember hearing at least two, if not many more things, that sounded completely different. I can't remember ever hearing two systems that sounded the same. So at the very least there are plenty of obvious things that can be done to change the sound. I think people just get a little desperate trying to pull out answers and it leads to a lot of funny ideas.

The thing with audio is... psychoacoustics, when it comes to people experiencing music on any kind of home systems, still aren't that well understood. We have a lot of ways to measure things, to compare one thing to another and extrapolate, but it's much harder to directly tie that info with what we actually experience. Much of it still just is subjective. It's unavoidable. A lot of the more prideless companies take advantage of this by making a lot of pseudo-scientific claims, interspersed with measurements that actually are not definitive, so as to appear on the bleeding edge. The other side of this is internet marketing. There is a lot of favoritism of certain types of products. There is definitely a lot of borderline shilling, and probably more that goes unseen... a lot is done to sort of 'steer' the mindshare towards certain products and ways of doing things. A lot of people don't even realize how often they actually mimic the vernacular of the ad-pieces and flowery reviews they read... they basically regurgitate them to each other. That language makes them sound like they know what they're talking about, but they don't know a lot about how things actually work. Most audiophile communities exist to sell gear, essentially. It's been like this for a long time... since way before the internet, even. The flex factor is definitely a part. It's something people like to flex, and in flexing it, serve their overlords well by making other flexers agitated :p

Tubes are a good microcosm. People go gaga for certain tubes... sometimes as old as 60 years. At first those tubes are cheap, but as soon as it's sniffed out, the finite supply drops until they cost more than the amps they go in... like hundreds of dollars for an old vacuum tube. And maybe you need 4 of those matched. There will be many other good, cheap, yet mostly untouched tubes out there that are just as good, but the $300 tube will still be the favored one. Somewhere along the line people get duped into thinking the price of the tube dictates the quality... because quality is in high demand (common marketing strategy for audiophile companies... they want you to buy their rare, expensive boutique items.) But really it's just the tube is more in demand. People's thinking tends to skew in these directions when they get a little too embedded in the things they've read and learned through the related media.

I still think that if you're shopping for $$$$ cables to make your super-expensive setup sound perfect, it might be easier to just admit that you don't fully like the sound of it and stop trying to make it what you want by throwing more money at it. You could take that same money and by new speakers, headphones, amp, DAC, whatever and do a lot more to change the sound. Or at least admit to yourself that you have more money than you know how to deal with :laugh: Anything else is sort of a waste of time and money, unless some other important part of the chain is actually broken or really shitty.

This gook is sort of a lesser version of that. I still think you should just stahhhhp and admit to yourself that you're not fully into what you got and save your pennies for something new, instead of throwing crap like this at it periodically. Quit being silly.

And then there is the knee-jerk camp on the other side, who truly feel that measurements are everything. They insist everything sounds the same and favor DACs and amps with boasting really low THD and good SINAD, for maximum accuracy or whatever, even if they actually sound like ass. That is possible... I have heard great measuring stuff that actually sounds immediately, like completely intuitively terrible. You know right away "Oh wow for $150 this sounds like SHIT. What's wrong with it?!"

It's all a bunch of bullshit... just a cult mindset. There is some mysticism to how we experience music. Nobody quite knows how that magic works on us. I can say from passing stuff around and going to demos, that different gear does sound different. Without a doubt there is a huge variation. Nobody really knows exactly why that is, but most people know when they're enjoying music drastically more, or when it is unpleasant to them. Anybody trying to tell you what makes music sound good and why while also trying to talk you into a purchase is either lying or ignorant. The only thing they can say is how they liked the sound, and try to describe what they liked about it. There are still some things you can look for, and actually knowing the science that IS there (like how the engineering itself works - not what it 'does' to the sound) can keep you from buying inconsequential crap at a huge mark-up. That's why at the end of the day it's better to find a way to try things out than go to some forum, article, or review guru. You can pick up some things there... it's just that if that's all ya got, you may wind-up misled. The more mystical side of things is the fun part... just discovering how things sound first hand. People overthink that so badly sometimes. Making gear and setting up systems are both a lot like cooking.

I've always had hi-fi stuff as a side hobby. I probably would never buy this, even if I didn't know it was kinda BS. Every couple of years I make some changes to a system, without spending batshit insane money. It can be pretty fun if you like to listen to a lot of music. It makes sense to be more actively invested (time/resource-wise) in things you spend a lot of time doing. You game a lot, you build a more particular rig. Like movies, you put time and care into a home theater setup. It's just another layer to the experiences you have with something you really like. Best advice I can give to people is to not mind what they read online too much. The best way is to either find a dealer where you can try gear, or make your way out to a trade show, where you can demo everything under the sun and maybe learn a little. Don't get so stuck in your head that you buy over engineered cables and goop for your plugs.
 
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If you want to improve your hearing then try "otex" ear drop. I did this a few times overnight & the next day my hearing was much clearer.
Some, not all conversation started to sound too loud & I'm having to tell people to speak more softly & stop shouting. It got annoying because as the conversation continued I'm having to tell them they still shouting. Tv also sounded too loud compared to others that were comfortable with the volume setting.
 
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If you want to improve your hearing then try "otex" ear drop. I did this a few times overnight & the next day my hearing was much clearer.
Some, not all conversation started to sound too loud & I'm having to tell people to speak more softly & stop shouting. It got annoying because as the conversation continued I'm having to tell them they still shouting. Tv also sounded too loud compared to others that were comfortable with the volume setting.
There may be something to this, in a way. I have a friend who had told me that one of his friends, a guy who could hear sound that he couldn't, and only after repeated re-listening of a track or two, was he able to pick out the sound that his friend had pointed out to him. He told my friend that he goes for regular ear cleaning and treatment (I dunno what's involved though), my friend and I wonder if this was real or not, neither of us willing to try this treatment.

A few years back, I was really into audio gear, especially headphones and DAC stack/combo. The cables I'd gotten are just regular stuff (Balanced cables for my headphones from Surf Cables LLC, eBay) only because some of my headphones don't come with balanced cables. As for snake oil mumbo jumbo for cleaning contacts that supposed helped with sound, I didn't buy into that stuff. My friend did show me a liquid that helped clean and remove oxidation from connectors (RCA ports and plugs), I thought it was useful but yet didn't buy it because it cost a fair bit for a tiny dinky bottle......more than I was willing to pay for anyways.
 
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There may be something to this, in a way. I have a friend who had told me that one of his friends, a guy who could hear sound that he couldn't, and only after repeated re-listening of a track or two, was he able to pick out the sound that his friend had pointed out to him. He told my friend that he goes for regular ear cleaning and treatment (I dunno what's involved though), my friend and I wonder if this was real or not, neither of us willing to try this treatment.

A few years back, I was really into audio gear, especially headphones and DAC stack/combo. The cables I'd gotten are just regular stuff (Balanced cables for my headphones from Surf Cables LLC, eBay) only because some of my headphones don't come with balanced cables. As for snake oil mumbo jumbo for cleaning contacts that supposed helped with sound, I didn't buy into that stuff. My friend did show me a liquid that helped clean and remove oxidation from connectors (RCA ports and plugs), I thought it was useful but yet didn't buy it because it cost a fair bit for a tiny dinky bottle......more than I was willing to pay for anyways.

You'd likely notice a bigger difference in sound quality by removing wax from your ears than investing in a new HDMI cable. I never even thought about it from that perspective. There's gotta be a market for $1000 'Audiophile' ear drops:roll:I'm going to be rich!
 
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You'd likely notice a bigger difference in sound quality by removing wax from your ears than investing in a new HDMI cable. I never even thought about it from that perspective. There's gotta be a market for $1000 'Audiophile' ear drops:roll:I'm going to be rich!
What about a joint venture? We can both strike it rich, MuAhAhAhAh! :toast: :laugh:
 
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Going back to the ear drop, I ended up sleeping with my earphones on (no audio) because everything at night sounded louder & I could not sleep.
I had to do this for a few nights because planes/cars going by was louder than what I was used to before.
 
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