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So It Finally Happened---> First Genetic Engineered Human Born in China

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I actually like sensible application of this technology. Editing out weakness to disease from our genes would be a positive step forward in human evolution.
Disease is a natural means of population control, what is sensible about increasing the amount of humans this planet has to sustain?
 
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Well im really looking forward to my eighties now, 50 years from now ;):D ,not only will the music be bleeps and bloops of screaming i hate ,there will be illuminated smart asses with a genetic ego taking all the jobs that the Borg leave behind in a world hotter then mars with all of us presumably living on the mountain tops on figs or mana dependant on religion, Joy.
 
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CRISPR babies is the future.
Genetic manipulation of the human species - besides cultivated organisms - is the only way we will get better than this sorry state we are in now.

Now if they would find the genetic defects that allow existence of superstitions (bye bye religion) and moronic politics (bye bye reality-TV president)...

Disease is a natural means of population control, what is sensible about increasing the amount of humans this planet has to sustain?
Let's see you say that when it's your loved one in a hospital dying of a disease curable by genetic therapy modern medicine.
 
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Let's see you say that when it's your loved one in a hospital dying of a disease curable by genetic therapy modern medicine.
^ This. 100000x this. And it's something I'm passionate about.

Disease is a natural means of population control, what is sensible about increasing the amount of humans this planet has to sustain?
Humans are not destined to remain on Earth forever, and we will spread to the Stars one day. If no other species of intelligent life is out there (I may subscribe to Rare Earth Theory) we will bring Art, storytelling, Love and compassion to every corner of the galaxy one day. Yes we will bring war and suffering too, but those are two sides of the same, human, coin.

Further thoughts (off topic though):

We are amazing, you are amazing: Each one of us is a collection of trillions of cells working together in harmony to create a walking, talking, biological super computer capable of absolutely anything if we set out minds to it. We have great things inside us, each and every one of us. One day we will shape the stars. Isn't it exciting, to know that right here and now, we humans are the precursor to what could be the most amazing thing in the universe?

Sorry I really digressed but i wanted to share my view. We will change, and evolve. We will advance ourselves and cure disease, the next step in human evolution is not at the hands of nature, but in our own hands. As long as the technology is used to benefit all of humanity, it is a great thing.:love:
 
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Another important direct quote:

The idea of gene editing to eliminate diseases .

Posibly the worst idea around I mean whats going to happen when we're all disease resistant and nothing kills us off except old age and then they frig with that so now we live to 200 years old just how many people do you think this planet can feed and water befor it becomes overtaxed
 
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Posibly the worst idea around I mean whats going to happen when we're all disease resistant and nothing kills us off except old age and then they frig with that so now we live to 200 years old just how many people do you think this planet can feed and water befor it becomes overtaxed
Read my comment above please.

Colonisation of other worlds is a very real thing. It will happen in the next 100 maybe 200 years I think. The moon first. Stop thinking we are all bound to remain on Earth.
 
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CRISPR babies is the future.
Genetic manipulation of the human species - besides cultivated organisms - is the only way we will get better than this sorry state we are in now.

Now if they would find the genetic defects that allow existence of superstitions (bye bye religion) and moronic politics (bye bye reality-TV president)...


Let's see you say that when it's your loved one in a hospital dying of a disease curable by genetic therapy modern medicine.
Tampering with nature never ends well for anyone.

And would be appreciated if you could leave out the quickie political/anti-religious snippets - Both are not on topic.
 
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@Bones

Human biological engineering is going to happen. 100%. It is scary honestly but I think it is necessary. We will advance beyond what our natural bodies can offer. In order to achieve the next level of technology we will need to upgrade ourselves too. Cybernetics, biological engineering, gene manipulation. These are very real and not far off.
 
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Tampering with nature never ends well for anyone.
Said a caveman to another when they saw a fellow use fire to cook food.
 
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And I believe fire and genetic manipulation are two entirely different things on so many levels...... In fact they are.
I'll pass on all the genome tinkering thank you.

Have a good day.
And I'm out of this thread.
 
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And I believe fire and genetic manipulation are two entirely different things on so many levels...... In fact they are.
I'll pass on all the genome tinkering thank you.

Have a good day.
And I'm out of this thread.
I understand , and i respect your opinion. but i dont want you to think i am not a good person. :( i just truly think great things can and will happen with this.
 
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"With unlimited funds and the ability to engage in research outside of moral and legal obligations,

China controls the most advanced technologies ever conceived..."

Slightly modified version of this :
 
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@ArbitraryAffection I'll chime in just one more time then.
I too understand and no, you're not a bad person for believing such could be of benefit, in fact I don't blame you at all for desiring something better. I just know even with the best of intentions when things go wrong, they go wrong.

We're not perfect and mistakes will be made, it's inevitable and think about who would have to pay the price of such or how severe it could be when it happens.
It's best to leave well enough alone.
 
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I'm sure it's been said already, somewhere but the optimism of curing all disease through these techniques is misguided. I'm British. I live in a country with a healthcare system. We are treated for conditions that would be fatal and in other countries, at a cost. In most other countries, such healthcare is not affordable. In many countries what we, in the UK, consider a curable illness, is a death sentence to somebody in a country where they cannot afford that healthcare.

So, the point of the above statement is that this technology will be driven by private, profit-making industry. It will not be delivered to the needy but to the wealthy, those that can afford such treatments. And in many cases, wealth is not associated with productivity. I don't even need to say, life isn't fair to justify that. The future of healthcare and radical new developments in gene therapy will not benefit humanity as the optimists see it. It will be opposed by the conservative religions as tampering with God and opposed by the neo-leftists for creating unequal societies, and I guess, placed out of reach of many by profit-seeking companies. Hey, it's just like Deus-Ex.

As for space exploration? Same thing. Only the wealthy get to leave earth. There's always a pattern in human, environmental evolution and its design is always contrived by commerce.

Strangely, there is one caveat to this and it is China. I believe the political doctrine the nation ascribes to tends to follow 'what is good for the many...' and in that respect, it, as a government could roll out mass genetic manipulation to cure disease (as disease takes the natural resource of a human away from the productivity of a nation). It would be ironic, if, in thirty years time, China is free of disease, due to such an arguably Draconian approach, while the ideological commerce of the West is still riddled with easily curable but costly illness.

And Bones is right, in at least a practical viewpoint. If disease stops taking lives, we will face an ever-increasing struggle for resources, which invariably, throughout humanities entire history, has led to increased conflict and violence. Our way of life would need to radically alter if we are to face a disease-free future. Agriculture, our food preferences, waste management, power delivery; all of these things tie us to a finite realisation. Before we become disease-free and long-lived human beings, we need to sort out the fundamentals of a sustainable existence, otherwise, our future suffering will be tremendous.

Life is always destined to die. It is the one certainty.

I love Saturday morning realism.
 
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Well im really looking forward to my eighties now, 50 years from now ;):D ,not only will the music be bleeps and bloops of screaming i hate ,there will be illuminated smart asses with a genetic ego taking all the jobs that the Borg leave behind in a world hotter then mars with all of us presumably living on the mountain tops on figs or mana dependant on religion, Joy.
And they'll probably still be cheating in PUBGrandiose :laugh:
 
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CRISPR babies is the future.
Genetic manipulation of the human species - besides cultivated organisms - is the only way we will get better than this sorry state we are in now.

Now if they would find the genetic defects that allow existence of superstitions (bye bye religion) and moronic politics (bye bye reality-TV president)...


Let's see you say that when it's your loved one in a hospital dying of a disease curable by genetic therapy modern medicine.
You sound like a commi, do and think as you like as long as it's within my ideals. In fact other people in history have set out to do away with those they didn't like....
 

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how many people do you think this planet can feed and water befor it becomes overtaxed
It's already happening.

Read my comment above please.

Colonisation of other worlds is a very real thing. It will happen in the next 100 maybe 200 years I think.
who and what can assure you that the human race will not be extinguished before that?
 
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I'm sure it's been said already, somewhere but the optimism of curing all disease through these techniques is misguided. I'm British. I live in a country with a healthcare system. We are treated for conditions that would be fatal and in other countries, at a cost. In most other countries, such healthcare is not affordable. In many countries what we, in the UK, consider a curable illness, is a death sentence to somebody in a country where they cannot afford that healthcare.

So, the point of the above statement is that this technology will be driven by private, profit-making industry. It will not be delivered to the needy but to the wealthy, those that can afford such treatments. And in many cases, wealth is not associated with productivity. I don't even need to say, life isn't fair to justify that. The future of healthcare and radical new developments in gene therapy will not benefit humanity as the optimists see it. It will be opposed by the conservative religions as tampering with God and opposed by the neo-leftists for creating unequal societies, and I guess, placed out of reach of many by profit-seeking companies. Hey, it's just like Deus-Ex.

As for space exploration? Same thing. Only the wealthy get to leave earth. There's always a pattern in human, environmental evolution and its design is always contrived by commerce.

Strangely, there is one caveat to this and it is China. I believe the political doctrine the nation ascribes to tends to follow 'what is good for the many...' and in that respect, it, as a government could roll out mass genetic manipulation to cure disease (as disease takes the natural resource of a human away from the productivity of a nation). It would be ironic, if, in thirty years time, China is free of disease, due to such an arguably Draconian approach, while the ideological commerce of the West is still riddled with easily curable but costly illness.

And Bones is right, in at least a practical viewpoint. If disease stops taking lives, we will face an ever-increasing struggle for resources, which invariably, throughout humanities entire history, has led to increased conflict and violence. Our way of life would need to radically alter if we are to face a disease-free future. Agriculture, our food preferences, waste management, power delivery; all of these things tie us to a finite realisation. Before we become disease-free and long-lived human beings, we need to sort out the fundamentals of a sustainable existence, otherwise, our future suffering will be tremendous.

Life is always destined to die. It is the one certainty.

I love Saturday morning realism.
Wow. Well thought out post. Thanks for this. It does upset me though. actually it makes me want to cry, a lot. I mean it's not your fault but my happiness bubble this morning just popped :( I guess i should play a video game or something . I'm a very emotional, very compassionate and empathetic person (which is weird as i have an asperger's diagnosis o_o). I love helping people, making people smile and doing good things . Crunching for WCG is giving me purpose in a way, a way i can contribute. But reality is harsh. I cry at news stories all the time. it got so bad bow i cannot read non tech news. After Grenfell tower i cried for over a week every day and became extremely depressed and angry and it pretty much messed me up. I wish i never heard about it. That is an example :(

I wish one day it will change but i guess is human nature. The suffering , poverty, hunger, death and diesease in the world upsets me. And as you said it is for the wealthy and rich. Some people have so much money sitting and doing nothing, or invested in schemes to make them even richer while 10000's people die every day without food to stay alive. it is wrong. We need an AI to sort this out. something that is not driven by pure personal greed.

I can't change it. So i live in my bubble. i am uspet :( ugh. But there has to be hope right? Saving peoples' lives is what i want us to achieve with this technology. But ijust didnt see the bigger picture i guess. yes we need to change before we can advance. In my Sci-Fi role play, tehre is a species called the "Aurc" and they are basically genetically perfect, disease free and their society is extremely well maintained. I mean like their population is very small. Less than million members. each being lives for 1000's of years, and reproduction is highly sacred, and highly controlled. Only enough to sustain the species. The Aurc are "at one" with their homeworld and its ecosystem. They believe it harmony and balance. There is no police in the aurc society because there is no crime. Why? Because they do not want to commit crime. :x

There is a small hint in my backstory that the Aurc were genetically engineered by another , mysterious "race" of "energy beings" (Kardashev V+). These "beings" have ascended physical mortality and become at one with the energy of the cosmos. Apparently they created the Aurc as an experiment of a perfect mortal race, an example to the natural races of the universe perhaps. (I leave it vague so even i dont have a solid canon, makes hte mystery more interesting^^)

The Aurc have a military of sorts, but it is purely for self defence as they have encountered, other, lesser races (including humanity) who seek violence against them (nuclear weapons). This is out of fear so the Aurc understand and do not retaliate, only to protect themselves.

Sorry i digressed about my scifi race but maybe one day we will be "energy" beings. Universe may die of Heat Death in 100-1000 trillion years. But maybe in 50 trillion years "humans" will control entire galaxies with their "minds". :D #HardSciFiFan

ps ddi you see interstellar. i love this film, i love the idea and hint that "future" humans have become so advanced they manipulate dimensions at will.

who and what can assure you that the human race will not be extinguished before that?
Hope.
 
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If they develop to humans, we will see Einsteins, Teslas and other genius people but people forget one thing, If you are changed your child genes, your child isn't English or other countrys and child isn't your blood. He/She is completely different. It isn't ethic and I think that China won't allow in the future because If China allows, other countrys will be develop to technology and use the humans.
It is really scary because we change the human nature. We didn't know the future, we need to be careful. Maybe we will destroy our future and our childs.

Another problem is AI,
Facebook developed AI and they scared fast because of the fact that AI speaks AI and they discover new language quickly. If they enter the Net, (Maybe they will kill humans) other different things to will happen.
@Bones

Human biological engineering is going to happen. 100%. It is scary honestly but I think it is necessary. We will advance beyond what our natural bodies can offer. In order to achieve the next level of technology we will need to upgrade ourselves too. Cybernetics, biological engineering, gene manipulation. These are very real and not far off.
I agree with you. I think that we use for only disease not other things.
I'm sure it's been said already, somewhere but the optimism of curing all disease through these techniques is misguided. I'm British. I live in a country with a healthcare system. We are treated for conditions that would be fatal and in other countries, at a cost. In most other countries, such healthcare is not affordable. In many countries what we, in the UK, consider a curable illness, is a death sentence to somebody in a country where they cannot afford that healthcare.

So, the point of the above statement is that this technology will be driven by private, profit-making industry. It will not be delivered to the needy but to the wealthy, those that can afford such treatments. And in many cases, wealth is not associated with productivity. I don't even need to say, life isn't fair to justify that. The future of healthcare and radical new developments in gene therapy will not benefit humanity as the optimists see it. It will be opposed by the conservative religions as tampering with God and opposed by the neo-leftists for creating unequal societies, and I guess, placed out of reach of many by profit-seeking companies. Hey, it's just like Deus-Ex.

As for space exploration? Same thing. Only the wealthy get to leave earth. There's always a pattern in human, environmental evolution and its design is always contrived by commerce.

Strangely, there is one caveat to this and it is China. I believe the political doctrine the nation ascribes to tends to follow 'what is good for the many...' and in that respect, it, as a government could roll out mass genetic manipulation to cure disease (as disease takes the natural resource of a human away from the productivity of a nation). It would be ironic, if, in thirty years time, China is free of disease, due to such an arguably Draconian approach, while the ideological commerce of the West is still riddled with easily curable but costly illness.

And Bones is right, in at least a practical viewpoint. If disease stops taking lives, we will face an ever-increasing struggle for resources, which invariably, throughout humanities entire history, has led to increased conflict and violence. Our way of life would need to radically alter if we are to face a disease-free future. Agriculture, our food preferences, waste management, power delivery; all of these things tie us to a finite realisation. Before we become disease-free and long-lived human beings, we need to sort out the fundamentals of a sustainable existence, otherwise, our future suffering will be tremendous.

Life is always destined to die. It is the one certainty.

I love Saturday morning realism.
I totally agree with you.

I advise the videos,
https://www.ted.com/talks/paul_knoepfler_the_ethical_dilemma_of_designer_babies/transcript?language=tr&hc_location=ufi
https://www.ted.com/talks/jennifer_doudna_we_can_now_edit_our_dna_but_let_s_do_it_wisely/transcript?utm_content=&language=tr
 
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This scares me because it will be only available to the "elite", so there will become even larger divides in society that there already are. This has the potential to be amazing, for medical reasons especially. I mean we can potentially eliminate diseases and improve lives with this technology. But what I really do not want is 'designer babies'. Where do we draw the line with 'playing God' ?
There won't be a society.
 
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Read my comment above please.

Colonisation of other worlds is a very real thing. It will happen in the next 100 maybe 200 years I think. The moon first. Stop thinking we are all bound to remain on Earth.
Well, if you are Hindu, they believe we already came from the stars (other worlds).
 
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Of course every controversial project starts with a Trojan Horse. Pretend that you are trying to do some "good", to be accepted.
Most likely China will try to use this to breed super soldiers.

PS: In US this is not done because it is illegal, not because they couldn't.
 
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