Sudden "shadow acne" on modern hardware

[FYFI13]

https://images.nvidia.com/geforce-c...yrie-ultra-graphics-forge-001-comparison.html

https://images.nvidia.com/geforce-c...ie-ultra-graphics-gateway-002-comparison.html

I find the blown out lighting on Ultra to be terrible, and if they are removing texture to speed up processing.......

I would honestly love it someone did a new Image Quality comparison.

Wrong thread perhaps?

 

[yesyesloud]

Update: rails going bananas and attempted solutions added to the OP.

I don't think it is the card in and of its self as I think the OP stated he tried the offending card in a different PC and there was no issue.

Just reread OP posts and actually trying the card in a different PC was never mentioned but I would recommend doing so if it is possible???

I've been in the process of persuading a friend to let me install the offending GPU in his rig. It's a little tricky for us to get together as we're usually very busy but we'll try to do it sometime this weekend.

I must add that I really appreciate your efforts to validate and address the issue as well as other members', including @FYFI13 and @Vya Domus

Look man, (yes, I'm back) I've given you a very informative response on the end of page 1 with several suggestions and most of all, means to *exclude* things on the list of possible causes, which is always helpful to narrow down to the real cause and actually fix something. I didn't even read this particular comment of yours earlier... but have you noticed how ever since I was gone, other members have ALSO pushed you towards trying to update things and actually guide us through what you've tried and what it does?

You may not like my tone of voice, but I'm not talking out of my ass here.

Your tone on that message remained neglecting and its contents as predictably redundant as your explanation about actual problem solving on your last post - as if it were remotely necessary.

As far as real fixes are concerned, you didn't really suggest any NVCP settings for instance, you just elaborated on their mere existence in a condescending way.

By "I would love to see your NVCP settings" you didn't ironically mean "omg you may barely know what NVCP settings are and/or yours must be a mess, next I'm being silly enough as to explain how NVCP works", did you? Because that's how it went.

You hadn't come up with anything that wasn't common sense to the very OP and certainly hadn't led me to trying anything different or anything at all for that matter, let alone "PUSHED" me into that.

"Pushing" doesn't work for me by the way, which you can't seem to notice but it sure isn't your most relevant perception flaw in the context of this thread, unlike dismissing artifacts as normal rendering issues.

Perhaps you have actually helped out other people, who knows, but your main take on this thread didn't acknowledge its mandatory particularities and ended up aiming the clueless - however relevant it may be to an "education of sorts" for random lurkers, it's not what I'm looking for, sorry.

Fortunately, I can't see that grand influence of yours over the actually aiding members as they sound quite the opposite.

In short, you didn't "ALSO push" me into action. As a matter of fact, you only offered me a potential piece of advice after having updated your very last post.

So nope, I haven't noticed how things started to flow ever since you were gone (not that it doesn't sound lulzy), it's just that some of the other members' suggestions demand more time, availability and logistics planning from myself and my friends in order to be carried out.

Although concise, the last post on page #1 turned out to be more informative/"an education of sorts" than the one you pointed out.

At the same time, your tone of voice is also one that alludes to the reason you've not solved the issue yet: you gotta get a bit more open minded towards the suggestions offered.

All suggestions were welcomed from the very beginning and I'm still open to them. They've been (and some will be) carried out as soon as possible.

I even tested my build on regular monitors in spite of the fact that my PC absolutely always worked just great along with my TV prior to the issues - still does with my HD 7990.

As you can see, I'm acid trip open-minded.

Regardless, you know, overly recurring suggestions already accepted plus obvious statements/criticism due to thread info neglect get tiring sometimes.

And am I really a guru now? I feel flattered man, all I try to do is make sense. All I said was, that these issues are not new in gaming, can be card/game/API specific, and this sentiment is echoed throughout this thread.

Don't hide behind your otherwise wondrous words, humble Guru3D.com.

Nice to know that you're being echoed like you deserve... Except you're not. People aren't that uneducated, they can think for themselves with the info provided.

I wish it weren't necessary to put it this way, but your first message is a poor overview of the OP main link. In other words, although it seemed to pass for really pertinent, that post had nothing new or even somewhat unknown to offer to this thread in particular from the very start.

You made "great" sense when you tried to dismiss my thread right away as if I perceived regular rendering issues as aberrations.

One perhaps useful thing to add: if your card was working fine in the same games before, and still works fine in several games today that you've now also narrowed down to OpenGL titles, then your card hasn't suddenly died, it is the *least* likely issue. Save yourself the shipping cost, and look at software - or SOMETIMES - just give it some time, like a month, update your stuff again and watch magic happen as a bug has been fixed.

As for DirectX, you can try manually installing it but as far as I know, this is also part of Windows 10 upgrades and thus is already entirely up to date.

Even EVGA OC Scanner returned no errors at all as already mentioned a couple of times. Yep, my card is not dead.

If my GPU happens to work properly on my friend's PC, I'll follow your suggestion, otherwise I'll RMA the thing to rule it out. It may be almost as silly as trying a different monitor, but I can't stand these issues anymore so I'm taking serious action.

As nobody else could replicate the errors, chances are that the GPU itself could be faulty though.

Only DX<12 can be reinstalled in W10 as mentioned but it didn't solve the issues, unfortunately.

I appreciate your edit despite our past divergences.

 

[DRDNA]

It would really stink if it is a faulty card after all the hoops n stuff.

 

[flmatter]

It would really stink if it is a faulty card after all the hoops n stuff

No worse than if he RMA's it and new the gpu does the same exact thing

 

[DRDNA]

No worse than if he RMA's it and new the gpu does the same exact thing

Well that wouldn't surprise me at all with the all incompetent Technicians working RMA's.

 

[Vayra86]

@yesyesloud are there other games that also show this behaviour? I have only seen Rise, and that abberation in the video you posted just earlier is a really clear one. It is also restricted to one texture or one type of rendering, which points at something wrong in the engine or the assets - or again, API. I mean, if someone mistyped one numeric value of a shadowmap, you could already easily get that effect on the rails.

Getting the idea this really is game specific and should just be given time. Do you have a way to roll back to a previous build of the game?

PS. as to your comments on my earlier tone of voice and posting. I'll admit I went in on the wrong foot, and, offer my apology. However - we do come back to the meat of my first post here, minus the 'hope it stays there part'. Sometimes its just not worth the time to try and fix every anomaly, and better to let it rest, or simply report it to the involved parties and give it time.

 

[FYFI13]

So, after upgrading to GTX 1070 i'm gonna join the club. Shadows are totally broken on some older games. S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Hitman: Blood Money, Tomb raider. That's my second 1070 now, same behavior.

 

[Vayra86]

So, after upgrading to GTX 1070 i'm gonna join the club. Shadows are totally broken on some older games. S.T.A.L.K.E.R., Hitman: Blood Money, Tomb raider. That's my second 1070 now, same behavior.

Are you sure its not SSAO settings conflicting or not working proper? They are easily mistaken for shadows...

I say this because I fired up Stalker CoP not too long ago on my 1080 and maxed out everything, saw nothing out of the ordinary except for some SSAO-related artifacts which are really quite common.

 

[John Naylor]

On builds we have been involved in, artifacting has been narrowed down to causes on average as follows:

Game specific .... 60% of the time
Display .... 35% of the time (most of these being TV's or cheap / overclocked monitors)
GFX card ... 5%

 

[FYFI13]

Are you sure its not SSAO settings conflicting or not working proper? They are easily mistaken for shadows...

I say this because I fired up Stalker CoP not too long ago on my 1080 and maxed out everything, saw nothing out of the ordinary except for some SSAO-related artifacts which are really quite common.

Yes, I am sure that's shadows. 100%. SoC didn't even have SSAO i think.

Edit: playing CoP right now, no issues whatsoever.

 

[Solaris17]

Sorry I lose track of time.

 

[yesyesloud]

Well that wouldn't surprise me at all with the all incompetent Technicians working RMA's.

I've been having trouble requesting RMA. I just regret purchasing it Nvidia-branded.

Sorry I lose track of time.

No problems, so do I. Seems Lara's hair is just a mess for most people.

Your barrels are looking pretty great compared with mine though:

I wonder what your Pit of Judgement's rails look like.

@yesyesloud are there other games that also show this behaviour? I have only seen Rise, and that abberation in the video you posted just earlier is a really clear one. It is also restricted to one texture or one type of rendering, which points at something wrong in the engine or the assets - or again, API. I mean, if someone mistyped one numeric value of a shadowmap, you could already easily get that effect on the rails.

Getting the idea this really is game specific and should just be given time. Do you have a way to roll back to a previous build of the game?

PS. as to your comments on my earlier tone of voice and posting. I'll admit I went in on the wrong foot, and, offer my apology. However - we do come back to the meat of my first post here, minus the 'hope it stays there part'. Sometimes its just not worth the time to try and fix every anomaly, and better to let it rest, or simply report it to the involved parties and give it time.

It's ok. Water under the bridge. I don't mind minor issues, it's just that I've been noticing really annoying artifacts and it sometimes kills the whole fun of it. I finally recorded footage from other games (trying to make Nvidia's RMA less of a pain), including GTA V, MGSV Phatom Pain, TCGR Wildlands and ME Andromeda... Mostly the ones I've been playing.

http://v.ht/1080tiIssues

 

[steinjagg]

hi, do you found solution to your problem or still persist?

 

[enmanueljeffren]

Edit: new video just because. Rail textures scrambled even in the lowest graphics settings.
Location: The Pit of Judgement.

Striped shadows on Lara's hair and all kinds of horrible pixelated effects on the water. 1080p fullscreen or you won't get a clear picture.

Distorted textures and aliased/shimmering vegetation sampled on other videos.

Start reading at this point to rule out any skepticism (then read the OP): https://linustechtips.com/main/topi...d-and-jagged-aa/?tab=comments#comment-8243204

If you still don't believe it, browse that thread's media, especially when it comes to actual comparisons (f***ed up vs normal graphics on the same game).

Has anyone else suddenly started experiencing such issues with state-of-the-art setups?

I mean, my system was working like a self-evident charm, but several games began looking somewhat messy after a major windows update.

I tried to perform rollbacks and clean W10 installs to no avail. MS seems to have gone real low level with the stubborn auto-update thing.

Shimmering textures and reflections, crazy shadow mappings, lighting coming out of the blue, highest anti-aliasing settings still aliasing an awful lot etc. Take a look (maxed out including AA), pick fullscreen 1080p or download the videos.

Not everyone notices it. Redtube Beeg Spankbang Regardless, devil is in the details and people should pay extra attention to them after having paid premium for their GPUs.

My DDR4 is working great, so is my CPU (all instructions cleared). Tested them with OCCT (AVX enabled), Sandra, Prime95 and some bootable tools for about a day each.

Any ideas on how to get rid of this most annoying shadow acne?

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Updates:

All my OpenGL games are looking great.

It's only happening on directx games, even on fresh Windows installs.
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Attempted solutions

Ruled out:

-Earlier drivers
-Regular monitors
-All cable connections
-Mobo chipset drivers
-GPU bios
-Reinstalling Directx < 11.x

Yet to be tried out:

-GPU in another build

I think the rest of the discussion is a moot point until we rule out the obvious oddity, which is using a TV for a monitor.

 

[Grog6]

How exactly does a monitor problem show up in a recording made on the computer, before it's fed to said monitor?

Video cables are not bidirectional, lol.

You should read the whole thread.

 

[moproblems99]

People should read the date on the thread.