This is what happens when a tech forum discusses piracy. Saved for historical record.

TheMailMan78 · Mar 3, 2011

newtekie1 said:
Yes, but I've already explained why that logic is flawed. The game sold poorly because it is a piece of crap, not because pirates pirated it. If piracy was at fault indie games would never make a profit, neither would any of the big name titles that make huge profits.

Its only flawed because it doesn't support your weak argument. This is how the real world works. Sorry if you don't like it.

newtekie1 said:
Which one of us is a pirate? Guess which one knows why pirates pirate, and if they ever intend to buy the game.

Yeah and I used to pirate to. So bad I was in the back of an FBI squad car not once but twice. I did it so I didn't have to pay for shit. Even things that made me money I didn't pay for. So yeah I know why pirates do what they do. Its because they are cheap. I also know why they make excuses.

newtekie1 said:
Doesn't matter if that person would have never bought it anyway. I'm not out anything.

It would matter if your boss stop paying you because it was taken so often without paying for it.

newtekie1 said:
I don't pay them, my insurance company does, and if I had to pay my own medical bills, I'd never go to the doctor. And if I absolutely had to go or I'd die, I'd probably never pay the bill, just like millions of people do. Of course, if they didn't try to charge me $30 for an asprin, and were actually reasonable, I would be more inclined to pay them. Actually, this example is a perfect example in my favor, thanks..

Doctors, mechanics this applies to anything thats a service. I guess you don't tip waitresses also.

newtekie1 said:
I'll admit I'm a pirate, but without any monetary loss on the developers side, I'm not a theif. They are no worse off because I pirated a their game.

I'm sure the artists that loses their job because of you understands.

n-ster · Mar 3, 2011

WE KNOW PIRACY IS PIRACY NOT STEALING.... doesn't make piracy any better.

Thing is, you are not entitle to pirate. Anyone who defends piracy because they are pirates are worse then thieves. Convincing yourselves that piracy isn't as bad as stealing is just stupid and wrong. I'd prefer if pirates at least ADMITTED to piracy being as bad as stealing

the "I'm a pirate but not a thief because I wouldn't buy it" is just stupid, I HATE when people say that. "I didn't kill him, I just raped him, tortured him, and then suffocated him enough so that he became a vegetable, he's still alive!"

Easy Rhino · Mar 3, 2011

as far as the semantics go, pirates are indeed thieves. pirates steal goods from merchants and other nationals on the high seas.

so what many of you are saying is that making a digital copy of something without paying for it is not piracy.

what's more, piracy is thievery because you may not be stealing a physical product but instead you are using a licensed product without the license. it is what pirate radio is today.

LAN_deRf_HA · Mar 3, 2011

Ugh. Please don't bring moral bullshit into this.

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2199879&postcount=20

Easy Rhino · Mar 3, 2011

LAN_deRf_HA said:
Ugh. Please don't bring moral bullshit into this.

http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2199879&postcount=20

really? leave moral arguments out of piracy? that's like saying leave morality out of the law. :slap:

qubit · Mar 3, 2011

erocker said:
If I made some software with the intention to sell, I would detest the people who take it for nothing. If I had a means to catch them, I would go after them financially. Buying substandard shit has been the way of the world since we used beads and shells as currency. You're making excuses, not a viable argument.

No excuses.

So, because people got away with duping people into buying substandard shit for ages, it's therefore right and proper to do this and should be allowed to continue? Are you really saying this? :shadedshu

Following this logic, frauds, scams, burglaries and other crimes should be encouraged, because they've always been around. :wtf:

Kreij · Mar 3, 2011

The piracy/anti-piracy issue has been discussed in numerous thread before. No one will ever agree.

To keep this a little more on topic, let's discuss why the creator of Minecraft (whose game has been pirated) feels that the people who pirate games are potential customers.

erocker · Mar 3, 2011

qubit said:
No excuses.

So, because people got away with duping people into buying substandard shit for ages, it's therefore right and proper to do this and should be allowed to continue? Are you really saying this? :shadedshu

Following this logic, frauds, scams, burglaries and other crimes should be encouraged, because they've always been around.

So you're saying that pirating people's (substandard or not) work (i.e. software, etc.) is a solution? Very interesting way about it. Yes, I'm really saying this, stating "Are you really saying this?" doesn't make it any less of the truth.

Kreij said:
To keep this a little more on topic, let's discuss why the creator of Minecraft (whose game has been pirated) feels that the people who pirate games are potential customers.

Okay, the creator of Minecraft can make a pretty addicting and fun game, but doesn't have a clue when it comes to ethics and/or piracy.

TheMailMan78 · Mar 3, 2011

qubit said:
No excuses.

So, because people got away with duping people into buying substandard shit for ages, it's therefore right and proper to do this and should be allowed to continue? Are you really saying this? :shadedshu

Following this logic, frauds, scams, burglaries and other crimes should be encouraged, because they've always been around.

lulz if you buy a shitting game nowadays your an idiot. Gone are the days of reading biased reviews in Nintendopower. Ever heard of Metacritic? :laugh:

qubit · Mar 3, 2011

Kreij said:
The piracy/anti-piracy issue has been discussed in numerous thread before. No one will ever agree.

I agree with that! :toast:

ShiBDiB · Mar 3, 2011

I think notch is saying game dev's need to make games worth not pirating. Like minecraft is ok when pirated, but the real fun lies in the multiplayer which you need to purchase to play.

garyinhere · Mar 3, 2011

n-ster · Mar 3, 2011

ShiBDiB said:
I think notch is saying game dev's need to make games worth not pirating. Like minecraft is ok when pirated, but the real fun lies in the multiplayer which you need to purchase to play.

this destroys PC gaming. No more single player games >.>

ShiBDiB · Mar 3, 2011

garyinhere said:
http://img.techpowerup.org/110302/Capture123.jpg

I dont like babies...

TheMailMan78 · Mar 3, 2011

garyinhere said:
http://img.techpowerup.org/110302/Capture123.jpg

You see! You see what you did newtekie1! You killed a fucking baby!

garyinhere · Mar 3, 2011

ShiBDiB said:
I dont like babies...

Then the Terrorists win... Happy now?

Mr McC · Mar 3, 2011

Easy Rhino said:
as far as the semantics go, pirates are indeed thieves. pirates steal goods from merchants and other nationals on the high seas.

so what many of you are saying is that making a digital copy of something without paying for it is not piracy.

what's more, piracy is thievery because you may not be stealing a physical product but instead you are using a licensed product without the license. it is what pirate radio is today.

Hold on, we're discussing piracy as copyright infringement, not Bluebeard

I can accept that, in many instances, piracy and stealing are equally deserving of criticism and sanction, but I believe that it is unnecessary and unproductive to insist on defining them as one and the same thing, particularly when no law backs up this approach.

ShiBDiB · Mar 3, 2011

garyinhere said:
Then the Terrorists win... Happy now?

would be funny if 4 other air force cops didnt get shot today.. ill laugh tmw tho

edit: holy ninja modding, posts disappear quicker then i can respond to them

FordGT90Concept · Mar 3, 2011

RejZoR said:
It's really hard to pirate their games and they "force" you to use their DRM Steam...

Steam games are easy to pirate. Warez groups have basically packed all the circumvention routines in a file or two. All they have to do is include those files with the game and make a few minor tweaks to the game executable and bam, it is free of Steam.

Tages and Star-Force were/are the hardest DRMs to break but they also cause the most problems with people's computers. Because of all the complaints, most major publishers don't use either.

Oh, and Minecraft's DRM with requring login has prevented a lot of legitimate players from playing for long periods before. It gets pirated a lot but people that pirate it can't play on multiplayer servers that require authentication. Most games have used the same model for the multiplayer features of their products.

garyinhere · Mar 3, 2011

Easy Rhino said:
leave moral arguments out of piracy?

Morals are a personal thing. Imposing your morals on other's is not right. Laws are enforced with out emotions for a reason.

Kreij · Mar 3, 2011

ShiBDiB said:
I think notch is saying game dev's need to make games worth not pirating. Like minecraft is ok when pirated, but the real fun lies in the multiplayer which you need to purchase to play.

You can play a pirated version of Minecraft on a server that is set up to allow insecure connections.

ShiBDiB · Mar 3, 2011

Kreij said:
You can play a pirated version of Minecraft on a server that is set up to allow insecure connections.

u can? ...... good talk guys ill b back later

Easy Rhino · Mar 3, 2011

garyinhere said:
Morals are a personal thing. Imposing your morals on other's is not right. Laws are enforced with out emotions for a reason.

a civil society bases its laws on morality and ethics. just about every first world country attains to this basic axoim passed down to us by thinkers like plato and socrates.

n-ster · Mar 3, 2011

Shouldn't we be staying on-topic instead of showing babies on a stick and then making comments on that?

In a sense, piracy is a very good demo for MP games

MORALS MAKE LAWS. IN SOME COUNTRIES, IT USED TO BE OK TO KILL A WOMEN CAUSE YOU SUSPECTED SHE WAS HAVING AN AFFAIR. why? It was morally correct, therefore the law accepted that

TheMailMan78 · Mar 3, 2011

ShiBDiB said:
u can? ...... good talk guys ill b back later

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TheMailMan78

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