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That's not good. =/

Any thoughts on this board? It has the M.2 Key E slot for that intel wi fi 6 kit. I'm thinking its going to go for somewhere around $220 if I had to guess. More than what I was planning on spending for a board but if it doesn't suck its worth the extra cost imo.

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z590 Extreme/index.us.asp

The Asrock boards don't really look all that impressive to me in the low range....


Likely the same board with wifi just a different coat of paint.




I like this better in that general range if only because msi seems to do better with low end boards. Kinda comical that low end is 200 ish these days lol.


I would keep and eye out for the Msi Z590 gaming edge wifi as well likely also better.


Also just out of curiosity why z590 if you are buying a cpu that only supports pcie gen 3.
 
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The Asrock boards don't really look all that impressive to me in the low range....


Likely the same board with wifi just a different coat of paint.




I like this better in that general range if only because msi seems to do better with low end boards. Kinda comical that low end is 200 ish these days lol.


I would keep and eye out for the Msi Z590 gaming edge wifi as well likely also better.


Also just out of curiosity why z590 if you are buying a cpu that only supports pcie gen 3.
The Z590 boards have the PCI 4.0 and if Rocket Lake isn't the bust I think it's going to be I might grab a cheap chip if they offer one just for the 3200Mhz RAM support that those chips are supposed to offer.
 
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The Z590 boards have the PCI 4.0 and if Rocket Lake isn't the bust I think it's going to be I might grab a cheap chip if they offer one just for the 3200Mhz RAM support that those chips are supposed to offer.

Makes sense so basically the 10400 is a placeholder.... I do expect the 6 core rocket lake chips to be pretty good but they will likely use more power than the 8 core 10th gen chips doing it.

Also 10th gen chips easily handle 4000+ ddr4 I'd expect the imc on 11 gen to be just as good.
 
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So I read a review today on a $212 Z590 Asrock board that has built in wi fi 6E. I read up on the 6E wi fi and it looks to be the latest and greatest for wireless. The thing is that Asrock board has the older Realtek ALC897 which I've read on this forum and another that it wasn't recommended for FPS gaming with a headset in regards to clarity ... listening for footsteps, etc .. All the other Z590 boards that offer built in wi fi 6E with the newer Realtek S1200A HD audio codec are pretty expensive so I was thinking of this $189 Asus board that has the M.2 Key E wi fi slot and it comes with the newer Realtec S1200A. Paired with an Intel wi fi 6E kit the total cost is $222.

ASUS Prime Z590-P $189

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-Z590-P/

https://www.newegg.com/p/0XM-01CY-00033
Wi-Fi 6E Intel AX210 Bluetooth 5.2 + 3000Mbps 2.4Ghz 5Ghz 6Ghz M.2 2230 Key E Desktop Kit Wireless Adapter AX210NGW NGFF WiFi 6 Card 802.11ax/ac Support MU-MIMO OFDMA Windows 10 With 6Dbi Antenna Set $32.99

This is the part that has me wanting to email Asus to make sure that wi fi 6E module will work with that board.

From the newegg link:

Compatible With: M.2 Socket (Key E) but doesn't support M.2 Socket (Key E) with Intel® CNVi (Integrated WiFi/BT). If your motherboard supports type 2230 WiFi/BT module and Intel® CNVi (Integrated WiFi/BT), that Intel AX210 is not compatible with it.
 

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Motherboard audio shouldn't be a priority. It's good enough. If you're concerned about audio quality buy an external AMP/DAC system and the return will be much higher.
 
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Motherboard audio shouldn't be a priority. It's good enough. If you're concerned about audio quality buy an external AMP/DAC system and the return will be much higher.
I might have to go that route if that wi fi 6E module won't work with that Asus board.

This is the cheapest Z590 board with wi fi 6E @ $212. The next cheapest Z590 board with wi fi 6E goes for $280.

 

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Understand that the motherboard should have excellent base features over tertiary features like audio quality. There is no cheap board with everything. If you want that, get a 1000 dollar board. Look for good VRM and connectivity. That's it. That's the only important part of a budget board.
 
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Understand that the motherboard should have excellent base features over tertiary features like audio quality. There is no cheap board with everything. If you want that, get a 1000 dollar board. Look for good VRM and connectivity. That's it. That's the only important part of a budget board.
If that wi fi 6E module works with that Asus Z590 board when I will have a Z590 board with wi fi 6E and Realtek S1200A HD audio codec for $223 ... not $1000.
 
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If that wi fi 6E module works with that Asus Z590 board when I will have a Z590 board with wi fi 6E and Realtek S1200A HD audio codec for $223 ... not $1000.
That's a $223 board with decent wifi and audio, not everything, which was my point.
 
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Wait for reviews of all the boards in the price range you're comfortable spending and then decide what you want at that point It'll be obvious what board is worth your money...... Asrocks budget z490 boards were pretty trash and asus doesn't make anything great thats cheaper than the Tuf which is 260 usd ish.


For example the Mag Z590 Tomahawk has better sound (Realtek® ALC4080 Codec), better memory traces, a better VRM, built in wifi 6, better rear I/O connectivity, heatsinks on all the M.2 for 17 more dollars than what you are trying to do with the asus board.......

If this is a system you plan on keeping for a long time 3+ years don't cheap out on the board get all the features you want already included.
 
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Wait for reviews of all the boards in the price range you're comfortable spending and then decide what you want at that point It'll be obvious what board is worth your money...... Asrocks budget z490 boards were pretty trash and asus doesn't make anything great thats cheaper than the Tuf which is 260 usd ish.


For example the Mag Z590 Tomahawk has better sound (Realtek® ALC4080 Codec), better memory traces, a better VRM, built in wifi 6, better rear I/O connectivity, heatsinks on all the M.2 for 17 more dollars than what you are trying to do with the asus board.......

If this is a system you plan on keeping for a long time 3+ years don't cheap out on the board get all the features you want already included.

Louder for da peeps in the back, Ox!

Also, it's probably just me but I don't see ANY point in going with either Comet OR Rocket Lake given that both have next to no upgrade path and the next "Lake" after these two is Alder, which is going to require yet ANOTHER socket change, but I think the socket change is warranted given that DDR5 is coming along with it and whatnot. Also, this is coming from someone who actually had a Comet Lake CPU. I had a 10700K but I ditched Intel and went with AMD for the simple fact that even though AM4 is getting long in the tooth, there's still a huge upgrade path for me.

(Hell who knows, by the time I feel I need a better CPU than what I have now, the 5000 series will be both readily available AND cheaper, LOL)

But yeah...while Comet Lake was OK (save for the temps) I think Rocket Lake and Z590 motherboards are pointless, especially given their cost seemingly up and down the product stack of all the board makers.

And I agree with Ox. Wait for board reviews. Better yet, wait for reviews AND any initial kinks to be worked out in regards to BIOS and whatnot.
 
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@Gmr_Chick while I agree alder lake should be pretty good the OP already seems to be budget constrained so it may not be a good option unless he is able to increases his budget by a good margin....

I'm not a betting man but I would be willing to bet both ddr5 and ddr5 compatible motherboards will be decently more expensive than what Z590 and DDR4 cost currently especially if they also support pcie gen 5.

Also while I expect mobile Alder Lake out later this year desktop will likely be in early 2022.
 
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@Gmr_Chick while I agree alder lake should be pretty good the OP already seems to be budget constrained so it may not be a good option unless he is able to increases his budget by a good margin....

I'm not a betting man but I would be willing to bet both ddr5 and ddr5 compatible motherboards will be decently more expensive than what Z590 and DDR4 cost currently especially if they also support pcie gen 5.

Also while I expect mobile Alder Lake out later this year desktop will likely be in early 2022.
Intel Rocket Lake i5-11400F CPU $160 - $170 (would be my guess) <--- rocket lake is due out sometime late March ... probably before we see those 30XX cards available in decent numbers. The more I think about it I'd be better off forgetting purchasing the comet lake 10400F and just grab the rocket lake so I get the native 3200 RAM support and whatever else comes with that chip.
 
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I don't expect good 3000 series availability till late 2021 at the earliest.... Other than on Ebay.....
And by then the whole lineup might be refreshed with super variants.

I think rocket lakes pricing will depend on how competitive it is with ryzen 5000 if the 11400 is close in performance to the 5600X I expect it to be to be 200+ if its not then they will be forced to keep comet lake pricing.... Keep in mind Intel isn't cheaper right now because they want to be they just really aren't that competitive overall.
 
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I don't expect good 3000 series availability till late 2021 at the earliest.... Other than on Ebay.....
And by then the whole lineup might be refreshed with super variants.

I think rocket lakes pricing will depend on how competitive it is with ryzen 5000 if the 11400 is close in performance to the 5600X I expect it to be to be 200+ if its not then they will be forced to keep comet lake pricing.... Keep in mind Intel isn't cheaper right now because they want to be they just really aren't that competitive overall.
If Intel can keep the prices down on something such as that rocket lake 11040F then I can see a lot of people such as myself purchasing it in regards to gaming builds. Low TDP compared to the unlocked intel chips which means less heat and less power. The downside is the pricing on those Z590 boards.
 
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If Intel can keep the prices down on something such as that rocket lake 11040F then I can see a lot of people such as myself purchasing it in regards to gaming builds. Low TDP compared to the unlocked intel chips which means less heat and less power. The downside is the pricing on those Z590 boards.

Z490 will support Rocket Lake as well. Many of the current Z490 boards will even support PCIe 4.0 for both graphics and NVMe slots when equipped with a Rocket Lake CPU. Also Z490 allows you to use faster than officially supported memory with i3, i5. I ran a 10400 with 3733 memory with nothing more than enabling XMP. No need for Z590 for any of the features you've mentioned.
 
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Z490 will support Rocket Lake as well. Many of the current Z490 boards will even support PCIe 4.0 for both graphics and NVMe slots when equipped with a Rocket Lake CPU. Also Z490 allows you to use faster than officially supported memory with i3, i5. I ran a 10400 with 3733 memory with nothing more than enabling XMP. No need for Z590 for any of the features you've mentioned.

I agree, best to just wait and see what z490 boards actually support it natively I would stay away from any 4 layer boards personally and just verify it is a 6 layer board that actually supports gen 4 and has a bios flashback feature.
 
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Z490 will support Rocket Lake as well. Many of the current Z490 boards will even support PCIe 4.0 for both graphics and NVMe slots when equipped with a Rocket Lake CPU. Also Z490 allows you to use faster than officially supported memory with i3, i5. I ran a 10400 with 3733 memory with nothing more than enabling XMP. No need for Z590 for any of the features you've mentioned.
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You're still not getting it. Several here have already said you should look for a board that includes wi-fi. I've suggested a PCIE x1 wifi card as another hassle-free option -- that Intel wifi kit is going to be nothing but frustrating, I'm telling you -- yet you're still insisting on a board that lacks wifi and that garbage Intel kit. Why?

Seriously, just get a Z490 board that INCLUDES wi-fi, and is already capable of PCIe gen 4 (as far as I know, all makers but Asus integrated the necessary hardware into a good portion of their boards, but best to double check), then get a Rocket Lake CPU, update the BIOS to unlock PCIe 4 compatibly and call it a day.
 
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You're still not getting it. Several here have already said you should look for a board that includes wi-fi. I've suggested a PCIE x1 wifi card as another hassle-free option -- that Intel wifi kit is going to be nothing but frustrating, I'm telling you -- yet you're still insisting on a board that lacks wifi and that garbage Intel kit. Why?

Seriously, just get a Z490 board that INCLUDES wi-fi, and is already capable of PCIe gen 4 (as far as I know, all makers but Asus integrated the necessary hardware into a good portion of their boards, but best to double check), then get a Rocket Lake CPU, update the BIOS to unlock PCIe 4 compatibly and call it a day.
So I read a review today on a $212 Z590 Asrock board that has built in wi fi 6E. I read up on the 6E wi fi and it looks to be the latest and greatest for wireless. The thing is that Asrock board has the older Realtek ALC897 which I've read on this forum and another that it wasn't recommended for FPS gaming with a headset in regards to clarity ... listening for footsteps, etc .. All the other Z590 boards that offer built in wi fi 6E with the newer Realtek S1200A HD audio codec are pretty expensive so I was thinking of this $189 Asus board that has the M.2 Key E wi fi slot and it comes with the newer Realtec S1200A. Paired with an Intel wi fi 6E kit the total cost is $222.

ASUS Prime Z590-P $189

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-Z590-P/

https://www.newegg.com/p/0XM-01CY-00033
Wi-Fi 6E Intel AX210 Bluetooth 5.2 + 3000Mbps 2.4Ghz 5Ghz 6Ghz M.2 2230 Key E Desktop Kit Wireless Adapter AX210NGW NGFF WiFi 6 Card 802.11ax/ac Support MU-MIMO OFDMA Windows 10 With 6Dbi Antenna Set $32.99

This is the part that has me wanting to email Asus to make sure that wi fi 6E module will work with that board.

From the newegg link:

Compatible With: M.2 Socket (Key E) but doesn't support M.2 Socket (Key E) with Intel® CNVi (Integrated WiFi/BT). If your motherboard supports type 2230 WiFi/BT module and Intel® CNVi (Integrated WiFi/BT), that Intel AX210 is not compatible with it.
Z490 boards don't offer wi fi 6E, they offer wi fi 6. The cheapest Z590 board with built in wi fi 6E is the Asrock board for $212 but it has an older Realtek codec. The next cheapest Z590 board that comes with wi fi 6E comes in at $280. If I get that Asus board and the Intel wi fi 6E desktop kit it comes in at $232 .. only $20 more than that Asrock board but its also a better board imo.

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/wi-fi-6-is-the-fastest-yet-but-wi-fi-6e-will-be-even-better-6-ghz/
Wi-Fi 6 is the fastest standard yet. Wi-Fi 6E will be even better
 
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Z490 boards don't have wi fi 6E, they only offer wi fi 6.. The cheapest Z590 board with built in wi fi 6E is the Asrock board for $212 but it has an older Realtek codec. The next cheapest Z590 board that comes with wi fi 6E comes in at $280. If I get that Asus board and the Intel wi fi 6E desktop kit it comes in at $232 .. $20 more than that Asrock board but its also a better board imo.

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/wi-fi-6-is-the-fastest-yet-but-wi-fi-6e-will-be-even-better-6-ghz/
Wi-Fi 6 is the fastest standard yet. Wi-Fi 6E will be even better

Oh my god, are you for real? :wtf:

My head hurts. I'm out.
 
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Oh my god, are you for real? :wtf:

My head hurts. I'm out.
What part of my post didn't you get. I want wi fi 6E .. Z490 boards don't offer it yet the Z590 boards do. I don't want that Asrock board and I don't want to pay $280 for the next cheapest Z590 board with built in wif fi 6E.

Oh my god, are you for real? :wtf:

My head hurts. I'm out.
My bad .. I stand corrected. Can't believe I missed this one. =/ MSI offers a board with built in Wi Fi 6E for $239. Looks like a decent enough board. What's your take on MSI boards?

 
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My bad .. I stand corrected. Can't believe I missed this one. =/ MSI offers a board with built in Wi Fi 6E for $239. Looks like a decent enough board. What's your take on MSI boards?


I think I've mentioned this board multiple times.... It seems to be better than even the Tuf which cost 20 bucks more.

As far as asrock boards go it seems to be more on par with this which is also likely to be much more expensive....



Also unless you also have a wifi 6e router having a nic that supports the 6ghz band is going to be pointless..... The only one I'm aware of being released soon is 600 usd....
 
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