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[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

the 10400F without power limits removed isn't very good

Its one of the best value in gaming processors and at 35$ cheaper than the 3600 i would say a percentage or two wont hurt, let alone being noticed, its not good just because it cant be overclocked ? dude...

Not sure why anyone buying intel would limit themselves on purpose

People are buying non K chips for a plug and play experience, not everyone want to pull there hair trying to overclock something that was not designed to be overclocked, if the OP wanted to overclock he wound have chosen a K unlocked CPU would he not ? he might have even bought a 3600 but decided not to and went for the 10400f, why ? because intel non k is the best plug, play, forget cpus for gamers and intel stuff just works

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Its one of the best value in gaming processors and at 35$ cheaper than the 3600 i would say a percentage or two wont hurt, let alone being noticed, its not good just because it cant be overclocked ? dude...

People are buying non K chips for a plug and play experience, not everyone want to pull there hair trying to overclock something that was not designed to be overclocked, if the OP wanted to overclock he wound have chosen a K unlocked CPU

MCE is one button in the bios its about as hard as enabling XMP...... On some Z boards its enabled by default... actually all of them except asus boards.....

Normal overclocking is almost pointless these days it isn't even the best reason to buy K chips anymore... The much better resale value typically and better ihs on the 10 gen variants is the biggest reason not to mention the better boost clocks out of the box and usually better binning which sometimes leads to a better imc...

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

actually all of them except asus boards.....

Really... i remember Asus having the worst MCE on their Z boards, it was so aggressive, people were posting bad reviews online explaining frustrations on why their K series CPUs were running at high voltage and slight overclock on "stock settings" resulting on unusually high temperatures on "stock", later to be pointed it was by poorly managed MCE

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Really... i remember Asus being having the worst MCE on their Z boards, it was so aggressive, people were posting bad reviews online explaining frustrations on why their K series CPUs were running at high voltage and slight overclock on "stock settings", later to be pointed it was by poorly managed MCE

That's probably why on their boards they have it disabled by default.... Although at least since Z390 is hasn't been an issue for me although I haven't worked with any Asrock Z390 boards so I can't say for them.

On some poorly binned chips I can see it being a problem on 9th gen especially with crappy airflow and a crappy cooler... you need like a D15 or 280/360 aio for a 9900k with it enabled...... But 10th gen tends to run cooler especially the K chips. I mean even a 5.1ghz 10600k only consumes around 160W and has a very good ihs even a 40 ish cooler can handle it.

 

[Deleted member 202104]

the 10400F without power limits removed isn't very good...... Not sure why anyone buying intel would limit themselves on purpose unless their budget was so shoe string they couldn't afford a $30-40 cooler. .... Also rocket lake is most likely going to use quite a bit more power especially with limits removed...... So until reviews are out and all these boards can be evaluated its hard to say...

Removing power limits on a 10400 doesn't really accomplish anything. It's all core max is 4GHz. At those speeds I'm at ~55w all core 100% You get a little more with bumping BClk, but removing power limits doesn't really change much. Maybe 70w at 102.5 on BClk. Not really enough to make it worth the hassle.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Removing power limits on a 10400 doesn't really accomplish anything. It's all core max is 4GHz. At those speeds I'm at ~55w all core 100% You get a little more with bumping BClk, but removing power limits doesn't really change much. Maybe 70w at 102.5 on BClk. Not really enough to make it worth the hassle.

Ok so it doesn't behave like a 10700 that's a bummer it will be interesting if Rocket lake has more headroom.

 

[Deleted member 202104]

Ok so it doesn't behave like a 10700 that's a bummer it will be interesting if Rocket lake has more headroom.

Yes, because the 10400 has all 65w for 6 cores with all core of max. of 4GHz. The 10700 and 10900 are sharing that 65w power limit across 8 or 10 cores plus they have higher all core max. frequency limits. The higher core count CPUs really benefit from removing the power limits.

The power per core seems about the same across the comet lake line - I have a 10900F that I've set a hard 95w power limit. It will run all 10 cores 100% load at 4GHz at that power limit. Anything past 4GHz starts requiring lots more power. All 10 cores at 4.6GHz (its all core limit) eats about 160w - Another 65w for 600MHz.

I know there's been a lot of talk about Rocket Lake requiring more power but I'm going to guess it's going to behave just about like Comet Lake with regards to power consumption, but with that 10-15% IPC increase they've mentioned. I think it'll be almost the same amount of improvement that we've seen between AMDs 3000 and 5000 series.

 

[Why_Me]

The 11400F will be cheap, it has a TDP of 65w and it runs cooler than the unlocked intel cpu's. Both the 11400F and these new B560 boards natively support 3200MHz RAM. That cpu paired with 3200Mhz CL16 RAM and a 3060 Ti should do just fine for systems running games @ 1080P without breaking the bank.

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

Bugger all of it
get a Ryzen 5 3600
A 3060 ti
600w psu
16g ram
a b550 board
and you will do great

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I know there's been a lot of talk about Rocket Lake requiring more power but I'm going to guess it's going to behave just about like Comet Lake with regards to power consumption, but with that 10-15% IPC increase they've mentioned. I think it'll be almost the same amount of improvement that we've seen between AMDs 3000 and 5000 series.

The reason I think its going to require more power is if it didn't there would be a 10 or 12 core varient highly doubt intel dropped 2 cores and 4 threads because they wanted to their new i9 losing to their old i9 is going to look bad in some benchmarks.... The other reason is the arch was originally designed for 10nm and had to be back ported meaning they lost all of the power saving 10nm would have provided.

I would love to be wrong though.

Bugger all of it
get a Ryzen 5 3600
A 3060 ti
600w psu
16g ram
a b550 board
and you will do great

at 200 bucks for the 3600 nope..... especially if the 11400 is the same price.

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

at 200 bucks for the 3600 nope..... especially if the 11400 is the same price.

intel i5 11400 is not out yet
that is complete garbage
we know nothing about that cpu

 

[Why_Me]

The 10040F is going for $150 & free shipping atm @ Newegg. I can post a half dozen reviews of that cpu owning the 3600 at most games. In fact this site did a review on that cpu and when it was paired with a Z490 board and 3200Mhz RAM it owned the 3600 like a redheaded stepchild.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

intel i5 11400 is not out yet
that is complete garbage
we know nothing about that cpu

We know the 10400 is about the same and sometimes faster in gaming while being 40-50 dollars cheaper.... the 11400 will have 10-15% better ipc and should at worst cost about the same...... So not sure what you're on

The 10040F is going for $150 & free shipping atm @ Newegg. I can post a half dozen reviews of that cpu owning the 3600 at most games. In fact this site did a review on that cpu and when it was paired with a Z490 board and 3200Mhz RAM it owned the 3600 like a redheaded stepchild.

I think you quoted the wrong comment I agree the 3600 is a bad buy right now

 

[Why_Me]

We know the 10400 is about the same and sometimes faster in gaming while being 40-50 dollars cheaper.... the 11400 will have 10-15% better ipc and should at worst cost about the same...... So not sure what you're on



I think you quoted the wrong comment I agree the 3600 is a bad buy right now

I quoted the wrong post hence the reason I deleted that quote.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I quoted the wrong post hence the reason I deleted that quote.

Funny thing is 6 months ago I might have agreed with him when the 10400 was closer to 200 usd and the 3600 was closer to 150 usd it's funny how fast things can change in the tech world.....

 

[Sunny and 75]

it's funny how fast things can change in the tech world.....

The whole world more like.

 

[Why_Me]

I recommended a board with wifi 6, not 6E

Because ... ?

please dude wait for the B560 you get memory OC with that too !


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Buy this one, it is B560 with memory OC, good vrm, and it comes with wifi card, all things you want


The strix F has good VRMs for a B board, he will be using it with a low power i5, its not like hes going to put a power hog i9 11900k in it and overclock the sh!t out of it!


again, why ?! even that cheap Asrock would handle the 10400f without problems, its not like hes going to OC the 10400f, and the ASUS strix F seems to be over speced for an i5 10400f or 11400f should the OP decides to wait a bit

Those are just a few of the B560 boards showing up. There's more on the way.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Because ... ?


Those are just a few of the B560 boards showing up. There's more on the way.

I've already told you why.

 

[Why_Me]

Hoping to find a B560 board that offers Realtek ALC1200, 2.5 Gigabit LAN and an M.2 (Key E) slot.

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B460 Steel Legend/index.asp <---- Asrock offered all that with their B460 board.

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B560 Steel Legend/index.asp <--- but they cheaped out on the Realtek audio with their B560 board. =/

Asus listed more of those boards on their site today as did Asrock.

https://www.asus.com/us/site/motherboards/Intel-Rocket-Lake-Z590-H570-B560-series/

http://www.asrock.com/mb/#1200

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The B series Asrock boards all look terrible even worse than the already terrible budget z490 variants....I guess if they cost less than 100 usd and you never plan on upgrading to a faster 8 core rocket lake cpu when 6 cores starts struggling they will be fine.

The Top 2 Asus B series boards look ok but knowing asus they will cost more than they are worth.....

Wait for these boards to be evaluated although going this budget tier you may have to just buy something and live with it if it's crap because asrock isn't gonna be willing send these boards to be evaluated

 

[Why_Me]

The B series Asrock boards all look terrible even worse than the already terrible budget z490 variants....I guess if they cost less than 100 usd and you never plan on upgrading to a faster 8 core rocket lake cpu when 6 cores starts struggling they will be fine.

The Top 2 Asus B series boards look ok but knowing asus they will cost more than they are worth.....

Wait for these boards to be evaluated although going this budget tier you may have to just buy something and live with it if it's crap because asrock isn't gonna be willing send these boards to be evaluated

After looking at what Asus and Asrock are pulling with these B560 boards .. either adding wifi on those ROG boards which means they'll be priced through the roof or downgrading on the entry level boards such as audio codec, LAN, etc .. my last hope is MSI unless Gigabyte list more boards.

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[milewski1015]

Hoping to find a B560 board that offers Realtek ALC1200, 2.5 Gigabit LAN and an M.2 (Key E) slot.

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B460 Steel Legend/index.asp <---- Asrock offered all that with their B460 board.

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B560 Steel Legend/index.asp <--- but they cheaped out on the Realtek audio with their B560 board. =/

Asus listed more of those boards on their site today as did Asrock.

https://www.asus.com/us/site/motherboards/Intel-Rocket-Lake-Z590-H570-B560-series/

http://www.asrock.com/mb/#1200

I'm not sure what you're asking for here. Help to dig through product specs on the manufacturers page to find the things you're looking for against the advice people have given you?

What are you planning to use in terms of audio output? Generally any modern motherboard's integrated audio is perfectly capable - if you really want to get picky about audio quality, you're better off just saving and getting an external DAC/Amp than limiting your motherboard selection because it does or doesn't have a specific audio codec.

Now I'm confused. Earlier you were stressing the need for Wifi 6E over 6, but now you want 2.5 Gigabit LAN and an E-keyed M.2 slot for the Wifi 6E kit @Gmr_Chick recommended you not buy? What are you going to use in terms of network connectivity? Wireless or an ethernet connection? What's your network setup? Just like I mentioned about all links in the chain needing to be 6E compatible, if your mobo has 2.5 Gig LAN but you only have say, a 300 Mbps router or are only paying for gigabit speeds, there's no reason you need 2.5 Gig LAN.

And once again, it's hard to properly recommend something that hasn't been released. Some of these boards your interested in might look great on paper but run hot for example. There's no way to know for sure until they're released and properly reviewed by a third party.

Edit: As aforementioned, you can't expect a cheap board to offer everything. You have to either make compromises somewhere or re-evaluate what your needs actually are.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Keep an eye out for the Msi Z590 pro wifi.... the z490 variants was one of the better budget boards.

It has wifi 6e and 2.5g lan but audio isn't currently listed so you'll have to wait and see.

 

[Why_Me]

Keep an eye out for the Msi Z590 pro wifi.... the z490 variants was one of the better budget boards.

It has wifi 6e and 2.5g lan but audio isn't currently listed so you'll have to wait and see.

I've been looking at the B460 boards on newegg to get an idea of what to expect with the B560 boards and MSI was ahead of the game with the latest and greatest Realtek audio codec and hopefully they keep that pattern going with their B560 boards .. unlike Asus and Asrock who downgraded on that with their low end B560 boards. Those two manufacturers are forcing peeps to either purchase the high end B560 boards or move up to the Z590 boards if you want the latest and greatest of what these new intel boards have to offer.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

To be fair the B560 boards are meant for SI and people with really tight budgets so them not including some of the better features of the new z590 ones makes sense....... Considering the only thing separating them now is cpu overclocking any b560 board with all the features of a z board minus that would just end up costing the same so what's the point.