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[milewski1015]

You're still not getting it. Several here have already said you should look for a board that includes wi-fi. I've suggested a PCIE x1 wifi card as another hassle-free option -- that Intel wifi kit is going to be nothing but frustrating, I'm telling you -- yet you're still insisting on a board that lacks wifi and that garbage Intel kit. Why?

Seriously, just get a Z490 board that INCLUDES wi-fi, and is already capable of PCIe gen 4 (as far as I know, all makers but Asus integrated the necessary hardware into a good portion of their boards, but best to double check), then get a Rocket Lake CPU, update the BIOS to unlock PCIe 4 compatibly and call it a day.

This. 1000 times this.

What part of my post didn't you get. I want wi fi 6E .. Z490 boards don't offer it yet the Z590 boards do. I don't want that Asrock board and I don't want to pay $280 for the next cheapest Z590 board with built in wif fi 6E.

Does every other component of your home network support Wifi 6E? If not, no sense in breaking the bank for a Z590 board that has it because you won't be able to take advantage of all it has to offer. All links in the chain that is your network need to be 6E-compliant for you to reap the rewards 6E offers over Wifi 6. What are you using the system for? You argue that Wifi 6E is the fastest yet, which I don't disagree with, but if all you're doing is gaming, speed isn't really the primary concern. Stability is, and any ethernet connection is going to be significantly more stable than Wifi, no matter the standard.

I still need to find a sub $100 headset (wired)

I'm using the Philips SHP9500s (~$75) paired with a V-Moda Boom Pro microphone (~$30) and am extremely happy with them. I also shelled out for this Sybasonic entry USB DAC/Amp, but that could be added at a later date. Microphone clarity of the Boom Pro is miles above anything you'll find on a "gaming headset", and the wider soundstage the SHP9500s offer is great for gaming, not to mention they're super comfy. Here's a review of the combo if you don't want to take my word for it.

And for ease of use for everybody, I took the liberty to dump everything you listed into a PCPP list: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/NqcDK3

 

[Why_Me]

I think I've mentioned this board multiple times.... It seems to be better than even the Tuf which cost 20 bucks more.

As far as asrock boards go it seems to be more on par with this which is also likely to be much more expensive....

ASRock Z590 PG Velocita

Supports 10th Gen Intel Core™ Processors and 11th Gen Intel Core™ Processors; 14 Phase Dr.MOS Power Design; Supports DDR4 4800MHz (OC); 2 x PCIe 4.0 x16, 1 x PCIe 3.0 x16, 1 x PCIe 3.0 x1; Graphics Output Options: HDMI, DisplayPort; 7.1 CH HD Audio (Realtek ALC1220 Audio Codec), Nahimic Audio; 6...

www.asrock.com

Also unless you also have a wifi 6e router having a nic that supports the 6ghz band is going to be pointless..... The only one I'm aware of being released soon is 600 usd....

That's a beautiful board. I was also looking at the board right below that one .. the ASRock Z590 Extreme WiFi 6E ATX. Similar specs and should be a bit cheaper .. but not sure tbh what the cost of that board will be. As far as the wi fi 6E routers go .. Asus has one, Netgear, TP Link, Linksys, etc ...but other than the Asus they haven't been released yet. Spendy for sure but the prices on those will go down within a year if I had to guess.

https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/Z590 Extreme WiFi 6E/index.asp

ASRock Z590 Taichi ATX
ASRock Z590 PG Velocita ATX
ASRock Z590 Extreme WiFi 6E ATX
ASRock Z590 Extreme ATX
ASRock Z590 Steel Legend 6E ATX $212
ASRock Z590 Steel Legend ATX $195
ASRock Z590 Phantom Gaming 4 AC ATX
ASRock Z590 Phantom Gaming 4 ATX
ASRock Z590 Pro 4 ATX
ASRock Z590M Pro 4 mATX
ASRock Z590M-ITX/ac

 

[Gmr_Chick]

*sigh* I can see I'm just wasting my breath here...

 

[Why_Me]

*sigh* I can see I'm just wasting my breath here...

wth is wrong now? We're discussing boards with built in wi fi 6e.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

Yes, I'm aware. But as @milewski1015 has already stated:

Does every other component of your home network support Wifi 6E? If not, no sense in breaking the bank for a Z590 board that has it because you won't be able to take advantage of all it has to offer. All links in the chain that is your network need to be 6E-compliant for you to reap the rewards 6E offers over Wifi 6. What are you using the system for? You argue that Wifi 6E is the fastest yet, which I don't disagree with, but if all you're doing is gaming, speed isn't really the primary concern. Stability is, and any ethernet connection is going to be significantly more stable than Wifi, no matter the standard.

I'll repeat the last part - what are you using the system for? The only thing you've mentioned is that you're interested in playing a SINGLE game. That's it. Everyone who has posted here has tried to help, offer suggestions, etc. yet you keep going against the advice and suggestions that have already been provided.

 

[Why_Me]

Yes, I'm aware. But as @milewski1015 has already stated:


I'll repeat the last part - what are you using the system for? The only thing you've mentioned is that you're interested in playing a SINGLE game. That's it. Everyone who has posted here has tried to help, offer suggestions, etc. yet you keep going against the advice and suggestions that have already been provided.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure you recommended a board with built in wi fi and that's what we're looking at ... boards with built in wif if 6E. In order to untilize that you need a board with wi fi 6E, a wi fi 6E router and a modem such as a Netgear Nighthawk multi gig. Even if I never purchase those the price difference between a board with wi fi 6 and wi fi 6E isn't all that much.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

I recommended a board with wifi 6, not 6E

 

[dgianstefani]

Yes, I'm aware. But as @milewski1015 has already stated:


I'll repeat the last part - what are you using the system for? The only thing you've mentioned is that you're interested in playing a SINGLE game. That's it. Everyone who has posted here has tried to help, offer suggestions, etc. yet you keep going against the advice and suggestions that have already been provided.

Most of these changes are compromises between what you originally had and what we're actually suggesting.

Unless you believe you are better at interpreting reviews and such, it's a little unwise IMO to make compromise choices that people on this forum aren't directly recommending.

My advice, put a pcpartpicker list with manual prices, and we can show you what you can get for the same price.

Otherwise people will quickly lose interest in giving advice if you do not take it.

Called it already.

 

[Why_Me]

Sub $250 boards with wi fi 6E that we know of so far (or at least have an idea of their price point) ... and I'm sure there's more but not many of these boards have been priced as of yet.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/Z590-PRO-WIFI/Overview
MSI Z590 Pro WiFi $209

ASRock Z590 Steel Legend WiFi 6E

Supports 10th Gen Intel Core™ Processors and 11th Gen Intel Core™ Processors; 14 Phase Dr.MOS Power Design; Supports DDR4 4800MHz (OC); 1 x PCIe 4.0 x16, 1 x PCIe 3.0 x16, 3 x PCIe 3.0 x1; Graphics Output Options: HDMI, DisplayPort; 7.1 CH HD Audio (Realtek ALC897 Audio Codec), Nahimic Audio; 6...

www.asrock.com

ASRock Z590 Steel Legend 6E $212

https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/Z590 Extreme WiFi 6E/index.asp
ASRock Z590 Extreme WiFi 6E (I'm guessing $225)

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/Z590-AORUS-ELITE-AX-rev-10#kf
Gigabyte Z590 AORUS ELITE AX ($225?)

MAG Z590 TOMAHAWK WIFI

Powered by Intel 11th Gen Core processors, the MSI MAG Z590 TOMAHAWK WIFI is hardened with performance essential specifications to outlast enemies. Tuned for better performance by Core boost, DDR4 Boost, Premium Thermal Solution, M.2 Shield Frozr, USB 3.2

www.msi.com

MSI MAG Z590 Tomahawk WiFi $239

https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/Z590 PG Velocita/index.asp
ASRock Z590 PG Velocita ($240+ if I had to guess)

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The ASRock Z590 Extreme WiFi 6E ATX seems slightly worse than the Tomahawk the ASRock Z590 PG Velocita ATX seems about the same.... You will have to wait for reviews with 11th gen cpu and hardware unboxed vrm testing to decide what is more worth your money.

The Tomahawk according to specs has better audio, a possibly better VRM 16 vs 14 power stages, and better memory traces than both boards but the Velocita has a slightly better I/O

 

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[Sunny and 75]

Several here have already said you should look for a board that includes wi-fi.

This should be pinned.

Even if I never purchase those the price difference between a board with wi fi 6 and wi fi 6E isn't all that much.

Couldn't argue with that but consider these boards also: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, MPG B550 Gaming Edge WIFI and TUF Gaming B550-Plus [WI-FI]. All are cost effective AMD offerings and equipped with decent VRM, Wi-Fi and audio chip. Although the MSI board offers better VRM.

And ultimately if you're going with that i5-11400, I'd get a B560 board. The Z590 boards are better served when matched with a K processor.

 

[milewski1015]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure you recommended a board with built in wi fi and that's what we're looking at ... boards with built in wif if 6E. In order to untilize that you need a board with wi fi 6E, a wi fi 6E router and a modem such as a Netgear Nighthawk multi gig. Even if I never purchase those the price difference between a board with wi fi 6 and wi fi 6E isn't all that much.

If you never plan to purchase those, you're better off (as was initially suggested) springing for a board that doesn't have those latest and greatest wifi 6E capabilities. From what I understand we're on a budget here - you're not looking to dump $3k into top of the line 11900k, 3080, etc. I think what everyone is getting at with the 6E thing is that you're much better off focusing your budget elsewhere. Yes, getting a board with integrated Wifi is for sure the way to go, but opting for a PCIe 4.0-capable Z490 board and maybe sticking with that 10400F will spare you enough budget to bump your GPU up a tier. Same thing with the audio codecs you mentioned earlier (although it seems you've moved on from those). In general, any mid-range to high-end gamer/enthusiast motherboard's integrated audio is going to be fine for gaming. If you want audiophile quality sound, you're going to have to shell out more for it, which sort of goes against the concept of you trying to build on a budget. As was mentioned earlier in the thread:

There is no cheap board with everything.

As @oxrufiioxo mentions, these boards (not to mention 11th gen CPUs) are all yet to be released. We can only go by what's listed on paper, and that doesn't always provide the full picture. It's also worth keeping in mind that if these upcoming Intel CPUs are going to be decent buys, there will likely be scalpers with bots after them once again.

Hell, if all you're doing is playing Warzone and other games, PCIe 4.0 (let alone NVMe) doesn't mean squat at this point in time. Maybe it will be nice to have once Microsoft implements DirectStorage, but we don't know when that's coming or how much of an impact it will have, especially considering games have to specifically support it.

If you don't ever see yourself playing at higher than 1080p, I can understand not wanting to shell out for a higher tier GPU. But a better GPU will remain relevant longer at 1080p. While about $30 more expensive than the list I ported to PCPP earlier in the thread, this gets you a 3070 (assuming you can get it at $500 MSRP via BestBuy as you mentioned you could). You get Wifi 6 on the Z490 Gaming Edge Wifi (which is said to be PCIe 4.0-capable).

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/QfYsW3

 

[Why_Me]

This should be pinned.


Couldn't argue with that but consider these boards also: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, MPG B550 Gaming Edge WIFI and TUF Gaming B550-Plus [WI-FI]. All are cost effective AMD offerings and equipped with decent VRM, Wi-Fi and audio chip. Although the MSI board offers better VRM.

And ultimately if you're going with that i5-11400, I'd get a B560 board. The Z590 boards are better served when matched with a K processor.

This should be pinned.


Couldn't argue with that but consider these boards also: B550 Aorus Elite AX V2, MPG B550 Gaming Edge WIFI and TUF Gaming B550-Plus [WI-FI]. All are cost effective AMD offerings and equipped with decent VRM, Wi-Fi and audio chip. Although the MSI board offers better VRM.

And ultimately if you're going with that i5-11400, I'd get a B560 board. The Z590 boards are better served when matched with a K processor.

Tough to argue either of these post. I have wood paneling in my cabin and where the computer is going to go is upstairs in the loft kitty corner from where the router is (downstairs near the front door). I have a hardwood floor so I can't hide the ethernet cable under any carpet and I didn't want to use staples in my wood paneling. But I was thinking of running it down low along the walls using clear strapping tape and then up the wall into the loft. I have some measuring to do to have a rough idea of how much CAT8 cable its going to take.

The comet lake 'H & B series boards' didn't support 3200MHz RAM and I thought it would be the same with these new 11th gen. boards but luckily I was wrong. This is a game changer imo. Here's a few boards I found today while surfing the net.

https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b560-f-gaming-wifi-model/
Asus ROG STRIX B560-F GAMING WIFI

https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-B560-PLUS/
Asus PRIME B560-PLUS

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/B560 Steel Legend/index.asp
ASRock B560 Steel Legend

https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/B560 Pro4/index.asp
ASRock B560 Pro4

https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/B560M-HDV/index.asp
ASRock B560M-HDV

https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B560M-AORUS-ELITE-rev-10#ov
GIGABYTE B560M AORUS ELITE (rev. 1.0)

B560M DS3H (rev. 1.0) Key Features | Motherboard - GIGABYTE U.S.A.

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GIGABYTE B560M DS3H (rev. 1.0)

Launching to New Heights – MSI 500 Series Motherboard

Made for Gamers and Creators. MSI 500 Series motherboards support 10th and 11th gen Intel core processors with PCIe Gen 4 and enhanced thermal. Gen 4 supporting makes users experience efficient transfer speed and execellent heat dissipation keep the perfo

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[Hachi_Roku256563]

PCIe x1 wifi card from TPLink and couldn't be happier with it.

tp link cards have horrible drivers they are amazling unstable

 

[Gmr_Chick]

tp link cards have horrible drivers they are amazling unstable

So, lemme get this straight. Instead of deciding to post something related to the thread, you decided to instead badger me about the drivers on TPLink cards? Dafuq?

@weekendgeek - got anymore of that popcorn left? This thread's gonna be a long one...

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The comet lake 'H & B series boards' didn't support 3200MHz RAM and I thought it would be the same with these new 11th gen. boards but luckily I was wrong. This is a game changer imo. Here's a few boards I found today while surfing the net.

https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b560-f-gaming-wifi-model/
Asus ROG STRIX B560-F

https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B560M-AORUS-ELITE-rev-10#ov
GIGABYTE B560M AORUS ELITE (rev. 1.0)

Kinda depends on pricing and how much worse component wise they are than the Z590 variants

The Strix F and Aorus Elite look the best out of these but they are a pretty large downgrade component wise vs the Tomahawk and you'll need to check how pcie connectivity is on them because it's already limited on z590 boards as it is at least when compared to X570.

Until reviews are out and extensive VRM testing is done I would be pretty wary of any asrock B560 boards..... Although the non K chips run pretty well at stock they are substantially better when you remove the power limits and some of their budget boards may not handle that very well.

 

[Sunny and 75]

got anymore of that popcorn left?

Save some for me, will you!

The comet lake 'H & B series boards' didn't support 3200MHz RAM and I thought it would be the same with these new 11th gen. boards but luckily I was wrong. This is a game changer imo.

You can thank AMD for that, anyways of all the boards you mentioned, B560-F GAMING WIFI looks solid to me. It's gonna cost a bit more than the rest though.
And like those AMD boards I suggested, there will be Intel counterparts as well. So we'll have to wait for the reviews to come out and then choose the best option.

I have wood paneling in my cabin and where the computer is going to go is upstairs in the loft kitty corner from where the router is (downstairs near the front door). I have a hardwood floor so I can't hide the ethernet cable under any carpet and I didn't want to use staples in my wood paneling. But I was thinking of running it down low along the walls using clear strapping tape and then up the wall into the loft. I have some measuring to do to have a rough idea of how much CAT8 cable its going to take.

I see, well this one you'll have to figure out yourself. Your place, your rules. Just keep in mind that a board with preinstalled Wi-Fi (preferably Wi-Fi 6 at the least) is the better choice all around and comes in handy if you needed wireless capability.

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

So, lemme get this straight. Instead of deciding to post something related to the thread, you decided to instead badger me about the drivers on TPLink cards? Dafuq?

@weekendgeek - got anymore of that popcorn left? This thread's gonna be a long one...

i was just saying it so that people avoid them???

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

Rocket lake will debut the i5 11400f, you sure you dont want to wait for that ?
Also you dont need a Z590, there are plenty of great B560 boards with memory OC support

 

[Gmr_Chick]

i was just saying it so that people avoid them???

Like all things hardware-related, YMMV. Mine is working just fine.

Rocket lake will debut the i5 11400f, you sure you dont want to wait for that ?
Also you dont need a Z590, there are plenty of great B560 boards with memory OC support

At this point, I'm not even sure OP even knows what they want. It's like talking to a brick wall

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

Any thoughts on this board? It has the M.2 Key E slot for that intel wi fi 6 kit. I'm thinking its going to go for somewhere around $220 if I had to guess. More than what I was planning on spending for a board but if it doesn't suck its worth the extra cost imo.

please dude wait for the B560 you get memory OC with that too !

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https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b560-f-gaming-wifi-model/
Asus ROG STRIX B560-F GAMING WIFI

Buy this one, it is B560 with memory OC, good vrm, and it comes with wifi card, all things you want

Until reviews are out and extensive VRM testing

The strix F has good VRMs for a B board, he will be using it with a low power i5, its not like hes going to put a power hog i9 11900k in it and overclock the sh!t out of it!

The ASRock Z590 Extreme WiFi 6E ATX seems slightly worse than the Tomahawk the ASRock Z590 PG Velocita ATX seems about the same.... You will have to wait for reviews with 11th gen cpu and hardware unboxed vrm testing to decide what is more worth your money.

again, why ?! even that cheap Asrock would handle the 10400f without problems, its not like hes going to OC the 10400f, and the ASUS strix F seems to be over speced for an i5 10400f or 11400f should the OP decides to wait a bit

 

[oxrufiioxo]

again, why ?! even that cheap Asrock would handle the 10400f without problems, its not like hes going to OC the 10400f, and the ASUS strix F seems to be over speced for an i5 10400f or 11400f should the OP decides to wait a bit

Because even if both boards can handle a 11400F it doesn't mean they will handle them the same especially when all limits on the chip are removed.... going by the budget asrock z490 boards that couldn't even handle a 10600k overclocked I just wouldn't spend the same 180-240 usd on a board thats worse.... Also just because temp wise it may be fine running a vrm at 80-90C I would still take one that is 20C better assuming the cost was generally the same give or take 20 usd.

The strix F has good VRMs for a B board, he will be using it with a low power i5, its not like hes going to put a power hog i9 11900k in it and overclock the sh!t out of it!

While I agree this board should be solid and even said out of the choices its probably the best it is still just running a 4 phase vrm with doubled components so to me it just comes down to cost if its 40-50 usd cheaper and can handle every cpu in the socket just fine than sure go for it but if it is 160-200usd he's better off with a z590 board.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

Because even if both boards can handle a 11400F it doesn't mean they will handle them the same especially when all limits on the chip are removed.... going by the budget asrock z490 boards that couldn't even handle a 10600k overclocked I just wouldn't spend the same 180-240 usd on a board thats worse.... Also just because temp wise it may be fine running a vrm at 80-90C I would still take one that is 20C better assuming the cost was generally the same give or take 20 usd.

in other words it couldn't handle a 95w CPU with OC that further increases the power consumption past 100w. With the 10400f locked to 65w things will be fine.

what am trying to say is people dont need top tier boards for non k low power i5 CPUs

 

[oxrufiioxo]

in other words it couldn't handle a 95w CPU with OC that further increases the power consumption past 100w.
With the 10400f locked to 65w thing will be fine

the 10400F without power limits removed isn't very good...... Not sure why anyone buying intel would limit themselves on purpose unless their budget was so shoe string they couldn't afford a $30-40 cooler. .... Also rocket lake is most likely going to use quite a bit more power especially with limits removed...... So until reviews are out and all these boards can be evaluated its hard to say...