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Thoughts on adding downvote capability?

He hasn’t posted though, so something must be putting him off.
He didn’t post a ton as a mod either, it doesn’t need to be a scooby doo mystery. Let’s try to stay on topic.
 
Maybe just life and lack of time? It doesnt have to be this place pushing him away...
Right. Life could simply be pulling him in other directions limiting his time to an extreme.
He didn’t post a ton as a mod either, it doesn’t need to be a scooby doo mystery. Let’s try to stay on topic.
Oops, sorry I didn't see this until after I posted my comment. Shutting up..
 
He didn’t post a ton as a mod either, it doesn’t need to be a scooby doo mystery. Let’s try to stay on topic.
He was actually posting all the time as a mod, just look at his post count and post history, then he decided to quit because he didn’t like the way things were going. It’s reasonable to be curious what happened.

Anyway, I was just replying to tatty as you can clearly see, so it was on topic.
 
@qubit
In an odd way your comment was on topic as it got the down-rating it deserved and demonstrated rather well why the rating system now in play is both useful and beneficial to the forum. Personally, I think it should be taken a step further and anytime a comment gets more than 3 downrates or a moderator downrates a comment it is automatically hidden by the "Low Quality Post" function. In that way it would make moderation a bit easier.
 
@qubit
In an odd way your comment was on topic as it got the down-rating it deserved and demonstrated rather well why the rating system now in play is both useful and beneficial to the forum. Personally, I think it should be taken a step further and anytime a comment gets more than 3 downrates or a moderator downrates a comment it is automatically hidden by the "Low Quality Post" function. In that way it would make moderation a bit easier.

Too a point that makes sense. Really though even we can make bad judgement calls. Case in point. Mind you just to show we arent the oblivious parents. Let me tear this down.

He was actually posting all the time as a mod, just look at his post count and post history,

This seems fair, but erocker certainly didnt post as much as its made out to be.

then he decided to quit because he didn’t like the way things were going.

See this is a conjuration. A result or statement of fact based whole heartily on nothing but conjecture and skepticism attempted to be passed on as truth. I have a problem with this because while I understand subject matters will "pull" from other subjects to help "prove" a point or offer "acedemic" plot tools that help people solve problems and come to conclusions, this is not one of them. After all the thread is about down votes. Even by a stretch has 0 to do with erocker.

A proper example of how to draw on other subjects is thermal paste application and then discussion of the subject matter of heat transferring metals. not on topic-ish but it contributes. you see?

It’s reasonable to be curious what happened.

This (in my reading of it anyway) is a bit of a play on "I can say what I want" in which case sure. but that doesnt mean your on topic, or that you can derail as you please.
Anyway, I was just replying to tatty as you can clearly see, so it was on topic.

This is an example of daddy said. You see I have a problem with this line the most. Self justification doesnt mean anything to me anyway, so naturally this wouldnt work because I dont care who you talked too. Further tatty was responding too someone that was already off topic. That doesnt mean tatty was on topic but more importantly it doesnt mean he was trying to continue that line of discussion, and it certainly doesnt mean your on topic. Unless you mean your on the topic of being off topic, in which case I agree.

So I downvote so I can make a mental note. Later I discuss it, or simply have a beer and forget. Either can happen. Now if I downvote and the system is modified to LQ automatically because im staff I would need to adjust how I downvote. Simply because this was more of a mark that I need to discuss with a super mod. Also to let the member know I'm not pleased with the response.

As you can see here in this case anyway, its always more then just a downvote (as the system currently stands and with my methods personally) because Its not just that in the end. I'll think about it more, I'll discuss it. I will understand it. I will even think to myself am I just in a bad mood? Should I really be fighting this so stringently? Are the members just used to getting away with it? That will make me seem like a monster.

Of course thats just my mod style. Alot more thought would need to go into the up/down vote system for something like that to be implemented. Other mods have different styles. I try to be super nice. I have for years, but I am pretty much a robot when it comes to rules, after all without them we live with the animals. I do try to think off all the angles possible though, so in that regard if you ever catch points from me, just know I really tried my best to make sure you had a way out first.

Will anything come of this thread? Not sure, not my section. Will I hand out points if conversation derails again? It is in the rules. But I also might just unfollow this thread. I do that alot when things are under the jurisdiction and eye of another mod and the members are behaving.

who knows, im a fickle fellow.
 
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See this is a conjuration. A result or statement of fact based whole heartily on nothing but conjecture and skepticism attempted to be passed on as truth.
Actually, I quoted the thread that erocker said that himself. He was pissed about some very heavy handed moderating by A mod which one of our members was being abused. So erocker finally said screw it. Not conjecture. Fact. I was present in that discussion at the time.
 
Actually, I quoted the thread that stocker said that himself. He was pissed about some very heavy handed moderating by A mod which one of our members was being abused. So erocker finally said screw it. Not conjecture. Fact. I was present in that discussion at the time.

Awesome, and now I know. Not certain it an appropriate discussion to have in this thread however.
 
Too a point that makes sense. Really though even we can make bad judgement calls. Case in point. Mind you just to show we arent the oblivious parents. Let me tear this down.



This seems fair, but erocker certainly didnt post as much as its made out to be.



See this is a conjuration. A result or statement of fact based whole heartily on nothing but conjecture and skepticism attempted to be passed on as truth. I have a problem with this because while I understand subject matters will "pull" from other subjects to help "prove" a point or offer "acedemic" plot tools that help people solve problems and come to conclusions, this is not one of them. After all the thread is about down votes. Even by a stretch has 0 to do with erocker.

A proper example of how to draw on other subjects is thermal paste application and then discussion of the subject matter of heat transferring metals. not on topic-ish but it contributes. you see?



This (in my reading of it anyway) is a bit of a play on "I can say what I want" in which case sure. but that doesnt mean your on topic, or that you can derail as you please.


This is an example of daddy said. You see I have a problem with this line the most. Self justification doesnt mean anything to me anyway, so naturally this wouldnt work because I dont care who you talked too. Further tatty was responding too someone that was already off topic. That doesnt mean tatty was on topic but more importantly it doesnt mean he was trying to continue that line of discussion, and it certainly doesnt mean your on topic. Unless you mean your on the topic of being off topic, in which case I agree.

So I downvote so I can make a mental note. Later I discuss it, or simply have a beer and forget. Either can happen. Now if I downvote and the system is modified to LQ automatically because im staff I would need to adjust how I downvote. Simply because this was more of a mark that I need to discuss with a super mod. Also to let the member know I'm not pleased with the response.

As you can see here in this case anyway, its always more then just a downvote (as the system currently stands and with my methods personally) because Its not just that in the end. I'll think about it more, I'll discuss it. I will understand it. I will even think to myself am I just in a bad mood? Should I really be fighting this so stringently? Are the members just used to getting away with it? That will make me seem like a monster.

Of course thats just my mod style. Alot more thought would need to go into the up/down vote system for something like that to be implemented. Other mods have different styles. I try to be super nice. I have for years, but I am pretty much a robot when it comes to rules, after all without them we live with the animals. I do try to think off all the angles possible though, so in that regard if you ever catch points from me, just know I really tried my best to make sure you had a way out first.

Will anything come of this thread? Not sure, not my section. Will I hand out points if conversation derails again? It is in the rules. But I also might just unfollow this thread. I do that alot when things are under the jurisdiction and eye of another mod and the members are behaving.

who knows, im a fickle fellow.

Its too much censorship in my opinion. No offense to you ,or anyone else ,but I don't think you or any other person is fit to judge members comments. Aside from keeping forum threads on track, and rules followed, i think staff should be reserved in their forum participation.

In my personal experience, I've noticed a certain sense of condescension from staff. Open communication isn't an option, because the threat of punitive action is always present, even if it doesn't matter to the user ,its present, & often apparent in staff responses.

Again just my opinion, & not you specifically
 
but I don't think you or any other person is fit to judge members comments.

Hm, a member or moderator is fit to judge anyone elses comments in regards to the rules established by the forum (IMO). Though I suppose if you feel it heavy handed you could PM qubit himself and ask if any punitive measures were taken against him regarding the comment I disagreed with. I think you and others may be surprised by the response.

The job is keeping people on track so that the discussion can progress in a manner that is constructive to the topic at hand. In which case I can guarantee you I will uphold that to the best of my ability.
 
The job is keeping people on track
i agree.
a member or moderator is fit to judge anyone elses comments in regards to the rules established by the forum (IMO).
& your welcome to that opinion of course

just to be clear, i wasnt speaking about you, and i wasnt referencing your interaction above either. just to clarify, im speaking my opinion on the censoring of members comments. I understand this is a private website, & that the rules are made by an individual, and therefore, its not going to be perfect, or just, im realistic, & i understand sacrifices must be made ot maintain what wizard feels is important. i would never deem myself worthy, nor would i be comfortable telling someone their opinion was less worthy, or their comment was not suitable. again, thats just my opinion, & that is what i feel drives people form the site. This need to "crack down" on members out of line comments. I might be wrong, but it is what drove me away, to mainly exist in PM, with a group of others who feel the same way, which is larger than you might think

to reiterate, i dont feel your a problem, & im not speaking of you. ive not had encounters with you other than this one. your good in my book, fwiw
 
nor would i be comfortable tellign someone their opinion was less worthy, or their comment was not suitable. again, thats just me.

shit same brother, I just try to get them to talk about the same thing so I dont need to look at the report forum as often and drink IPAs instead. Sacrifices indeed.

EDIT: that said, I said my peace, and gave some insight into my personal process, my hope is that we can get on track to discuss the system in the hopes that the members can throw enough good ideas into the pot to change the forum for the better. I've not given points upto this point and honestly as @rtwjunkie has pointed out so casually, I havent honesty put enough effort into what this thread even has in it. I cant say no one else will come along and try to get you on topic again though. Just play nice.
 
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shit same brother, I just try to get them to talk about the same thing so I dont need to look at the report forum as often and drink IPAs instead. Sacrifices indeed.

I think a great step towards fixing what I view as one of the main issues with this website would be .

moderators should step away from staff positions every two years completely, (regardless of whether they want to or not). It's my opinion that some abuse the position in more ways than one, whether it's intentional or not who knows other than them( I feel it's inherant to many positions of "power"). It could only be a benefit for both of them as well as the website. It would help them gain perspective from both sides, it's very easy to lose touch when you're in a position or situation for extended periods of time. It would also help the rest of the community view them as a peer.

In regards to down voting, I think if you're going to implement some type of punishment for going off topic, you should make it real. Make it very clear that three off topic posts will get you banned for a month. For example.


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I also think it's only fair, and honest ,to mention there are staff who are totally exempt from what I have mentioned above. I know of at least five or more ,that are totally fair, and what I would deem as a perfect fit for this type of position. I don't like to use names because I feel that's not fair in a public forum
 
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Alot more thought would need to go into the up/down vote system for something like that to be implemented.
And that is understandable which is why I only offered it as a suggestion for a possible functionality. None of us outside the staff have much idea as to how the system works internally nor do we have any real say. However, there have been examples of suggestions being made and then implemented on the site and to positive effect. And both the users and the staff had to adapt to the changes.
im speaking my opinion on the censoring of members comments.
But is it really censoring? When a comment is hidden by the "Low Quality Comment" function it's only hidden from direct view. Anyone, logged in or not, can show the comment with a single click/tap.
 
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99% of "Low Quality posts" have been actual garbage. I've seen a small number of posts flagged as low quality which I didn't agree deserved the low quality flag, but I do not own TPU, and I'm not going to agree with the mods 100% of the time... but I can deal with that. To be honest, I agree far less frequently with ratings given to posts. An example of this would be if I were to give @jboydgolfer a -1 just because I didn't agree with him and @lexluthermiester a +1 (or more) just becuase I agreed with his post. Or maybe I'll +3 every post that says Turing is garbage and -1 every post that praises it.

As mentioned, this also affects the badge system. Evidently I'm an Expert at Intel Processors. Am I, really? An Expert? I mean, I do know a little bit and could potentially help somebody... but I'm no Expert. Maybe I just said pigeon poop TIM sucks a bunch of times and people "agreed" with me by rating my posts. All in all, it is what it is and the system is only as good as its users. When you allow fanboys and trolls to use the system, the results produced by said system are kinda... not worth very much... however, I trust those of us that know that are at least able to take the ratings with a grain of salt and take the post for what it is. My only true concern is it might affect the judgement of those who don't know any better. What if my recommendations for a nice Seasonic power supply fly in the face of some "power supply expert" who says POWMAX is the best power supply ever?
 
"Low Quality Post" is something moderators do (as opposed to deleting it). It's not part of the rating system.


As I said on page 1, what TPU need is a solution marking system. If there's an insistence on keeping badges, marked solutions are more relevant to badges than rating. News posts obviously shouldn't have marked solutions/contribute to badges.
 
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As I said on page 1, what TPU need is a solution marking system. If there's an insistence on keeping badges, marked solutions are more relevant to badges than rating. News posts obviously shouldn't have marked solutions/contribute to badges.

That's actually a very clever idea.

I agree, it would make the badges have a usable value to the member that earns em' and the members that look to said "expert" or "master" for help. With a better "helpful member" metric rather than merely just relying post count in a section. I agreed with this when you said it the first time Ford, and I still agree. :)

All in all, it is what it is and the system is only as good as its users.

So much this.

It says a lot about the community for what they do and don't tolerate of their peers when left with some of the responsibility for such a system. I believe that was part of W1z's intentions too. There are definitely a handful I had hoped would be more mature with how they use the rating system, but that's never going to change. Overall I see a lot of users at least using it in some form of appropriate fashion, for that I thank you guys!!! :)

With labels, I would like to see adjustments made that favor experience and helpful users so that everyone knows who the rockstars are on TPU that truly aim to help others and solve problems.

Stars are for post counts, I want to see the badges mean something more useful and I totally agree that allowing OP's and/or mods to help select answers in topics would be a good way to go about that. It would take longer to earn a badge and hopefully would more meaningful in the end. Not sure what it'd take to add that to the existing forum, if it's an option or if it is already being considered.

@W1zzard what do you think?

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I agree, it would make the badges have a usable value to the member that earns em' and the members that look to said "expert" or "master" for help. With a better "helpful member" metric rather than merely just relying post count in a section. I agreed with this when you said it the first time Ford, and I still agree. :)
Makes a good level of sense. And I also agree. It would make the badges far more useful and meaningful. That said, the time limits the badges use would need to go away because knowledge doesn't go away over time.
 
The problem is getting the OPs to mark the thread solved or the 'best answer'. Same with the staff...but more so because they don't read every thread. Though this is FIRST time the mods being in silos (not able to moderate outside of their sections) would be helpful. :)
 
The problem is getting the OPs to mark the thread solved or the 'best answer'. Same with the staff...but more so because they don't read every thread.
Maybe it could be setup up on a vote system where someone offers a solution and other users vote it up as a viable suggestion as well as if the OP marks it as a solution that solved or helped with their problem.
 
That is how it is more commonly implemented. OP selects a best answer and people upvote. That said, there can be multiple solutions as well so one best answer may not be the best choice (and two+ gets into convolusion again, LOL).
 
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