Throttlestop PL 2 Yellow on Core

[unclewebb]

Is there more

Only you can answer that question. Most of these CPUs start to lose stability if you go much beyond -125 mV.

 

[jacob_]

First of all, I apologize if I don't write very well in English, but let me give it a try.

Hi @unclewebb, can i use this thread to get your advice with your TS knowledge please?
I have a Nitro 5 52-54AM notebook with 8300H CPU and 4GB NVIDIA 1050 GPU and 16GB RAM...

I'm following the same configuration that Andrés R posted on the previous page, but I don't feel comfortable if I'm doing a great job because as you mentioned in many other threads I read before bringing my question here, is that each CPU has its own possibilities...

I followed an Acer Community thread where a guy posted some settings for some CPUs like my 8300H, (I don't know if I can post the link here, but let me know if I can) and those settings are working fine and based on I made some changes using the changes from Andrés R, but I would like to increase my FPS without increasing the TEMP too much and reading many of your posts in other forums before dropping here, I realized that I can also make a better configuration.

I ran CinebenchR20 following your advice while reading this topic, but I only got about 1850 points using this setup.

I'm a little confused about what I should do to get the best performance. I already know that reaching a TEMP around 90° or more is OK. Maybe it's a silly question but, do I need to run benchmarks only when I'm not using any programs?

I would like to post my log for your review, but I would like to know what I should do before I log this. Do I have to close all programs before run a Cinebench or a TS bench to get the best log information? Can you give me some advice on how to collect this as best as possible please?
I attached a log when I performed the CR20 but I appreciate if you guide me to collect best info as well.

Before anything I would like to say thank you for your excellent work helping other people to extract their best from your CPUs.

 

[unclewebb]

   DATE       TIME    MULTI   C0%   CKMOD  BAT_mW  TEMP   NVIDIA GPU     VID   POWER
2021-10-24  17:15:15  37.00   99.5  100.0       0   95    1354    48   1.0217   43.8   TEMP
2021-10-24  17:15:16  37.03   99.5  100.0       0   94    1354    48   0.9961   43.9   TEMP
2021-10-24  17:15:17  37.09   99.5  100.0       0   95    1354    49   0.9948   44.0   TEMP
2021-10-24  17:15:18  37.04   99.6  100.0       0   96    1354    49   1.0217   43.8   TEMP
2021-10-24  17:15:19  37.06   99.6  100.0       0   95    1354    49   0.9979   43.8   TEMP
2021-10-24  17:15:20  37.02   99.7  100.0       0   94    1354    49   0.9961   43.8   TEMP
..........
2021-10-24  17:17:44  36.38   99.6  100.0       0   95    1354    52   0.9722   41.8   TEMP
2021-10-24  17:17:45  36.40   99.5  100.0       0   95    1354    52   0.9943   41.9   TEMP
2021-10-24  17:17:46  36.35   99.6  100.0       0   95    1354    52   0.9950   41.7   TEMP
2021-10-24  17:17:47  36.41   99.1  100.0       0   96    1354    52   1.0238   41.7   TEMP

The log file you posted shows TEMP for about 2 minutes and 30 seconds. That means your CPU temperature is too high. Your CPU is mostly at 95°C or 96°C. Acer set the thermal throttling temperature of your laptop to 95°C. Your CPU is being forced to slow down so it is not damaged by heat.

To get better performance, you need better cooling. Have you ever cleaned inside your laptop or replaced the thermal paste? If you do a good job and use a well rated thermal paste, this can help reduce your CPU temperature. A maximum temperature of 90°C is OK. When the CPU reaches 95°C, it will start to slow down.

When running Cinebench, you do not want other programs running in the background. If you are busy running a different program on your computer then the Cinebench results will not be good.

The Intel GPU and System Agent voltage do not need to be set to the same value. It is the Intel GPU and the iGPU Unslice that should be set to the same value. You have a Nvidia GPU so lowering the voltage of the Intel GPU and iGPU Unslice will make very little difference. If lowering these voltages does not make your computer run better then do not do it. Your computer might become unstable if these voltages are too low. I set the Intel GPU and iGPU Unslice to +0.0000 and I also set the System Agent to +0.0000. These three voltages are not that important.

 

[jacob_]

   DATE       TIME    MULTI   C0%   CKMOD  BAT_mW  TEMP   NVIDIA GPU     VID   POWER
2021-10-24  17:15:15  37.00   99.5  100.0       0   95    1354    48   1.0217   43.8   TEMP
2021-10-24  17:15:16  37.03   99.5  100.0       0   94    1354    48   0.9961   43.9   TEMP
2021-10-24  17:15:17  37.09   99.5  100.0       0   95    1354    49   0.9948   44.0   TEMP
2021-10-24  17:15:18  37.04   99.6  100.0       0   96    1354    49   1.0217   43.8   TEMP
2021-10-24  17:15:19  37.06   99.6  100.0       0   95    1354    49   0.9979   43.8   TEMP
2021-10-24  17:15:20  37.02   99.7  100.0       0   94    1354    49   0.9961   43.8   TEMP
..........
2021-10-24  17:17:44  36.38   99.6  100.0       0   95    1354    52   0.9722   41.8   TEMP
2021-10-24  17:17:45  36.40   99.5  100.0       0   95    1354    52   0.9943   41.9   TEMP
2021-10-24  17:17:46  36.35   99.6  100.0       0   95    1354    52   0.9950   41.7   TEMP
2021-10-24  17:17:47  36.41   99.1  100.0       0   96    1354    52   1.0238   41.7   TEMP

The log file you posted shows TEMP for about 2 minutes and 30 seconds. That means your CPU temperature is too high. Your CPU is mostly at 95°C or 96°C. Acer set the thermal throttling temperature of your laptop to 95°C. Your CPU is being forced to slow down so it is not damaged by heat.

To get better performance, you need better cooling. Have you ever cleaned inside your laptop or replaced the thermal paste? If you do a good job and use a well rated thermal paste, this can help reduce your CPU temperature. A maximum temperature of 90°C is OK. When the CPU reaches 95°C, it will start to slow down.

When running Cinebench, you do not want other programs running in the background. If you are busy running a different program on your computer then the Cinebench results will not be good.

The Intel GPU and System Agent voltage do not need to be set to the same value. It is the Intel GPU and the iGPU Unslice that should be set to the same value. You have a Nvidia GPU so lowering the voltage of the Intel GPU and iGPU Unslice will make very little difference. If lowering these voltages does not make your computer run better then do not do it. Your computer might become unstable if these voltages are too low. I set the Intel GPU and iGPU Unslice to +0.0000 and I also set the System Agent to +0.0000. These three voltages are not that important.

Thanks for answering.

Yes, I replaced the thermal paste and cleaned inside the notebook and am using a base cooler to help cool the notebook too.

I changed the GPU and iGPU Unslice back to config I downloaded (based on Acer forum I mentioned) and set the System Agent to +0.0000 following your advice, but I think the biggest change was in Turbo Ratio as per the screenshot attached I set to 39-37-37-37 repectively.

My CNR20 increase the record and according to the new TS log, I only received one TEMP warning during the CNR20 test.

Is there anything I could do to eliminate this in order to raise Turbo Ratio back to default?

 

[unclewebb]

Does it really matter if you throttle your CPU by lowering the turbo ratios or if your laptop runs hot and thermal throttles itself? Either way, your CPU is not running at its full rated speed. The only way to fix this problem is to improve the cooling. What thermal paste did you use? Is it recommended for laptops or direct die cooling? Noctua NT-H2 works well on laptop CPUs.

Your ThrottleStop settings are as good as they can get. A -150 mV cache undervolt is already on the edge of stability. If you ever have any BSOD, you might need to back that off a little.

With better cooling, your CPU might run 5% faster so your Cinebench score could increase from 1900 points up to about 2000 points. Better cooling will also improve long term performance. Some laptops will slow down significantly when they start running too hot. The heat gets trapped and has nowhere to go. Thermal throttling gets worse which can slow the CPU down more and more.

It is either time to get out the Dremel and re-engineer your laptop for better air flow or be happy that your laptop is already running at about 95% of its potential. Going OCD for that last 5% is rarely worth it.

 

[jacob_]

Does it really matter if you throttle your CPU by lowering the turbo ratios or if your laptop runs hot and thermal throttles itself? Either way, your CPU is not running at its full rated speed. The only way to fix this problem is to improve the cooling. What thermal paste did you use? Is it recommended for laptops or direct die cooling? Noctua NT-H2 works well on laptop CPUs.

Your ThrottleStop settings are as good as they can get. A -150 mV cache undervolt is already on the edge of stability. If you ever have any BSOD, you might need to back that off a little.

With better cooling, your CPU might run 5% faster so your Cinebench score could increase from 1900 points up to about 2000 points. Better cooling will also improve long term performance. Some laptops will slow down significantly when they start running too hot. The heat gets trapped and has nowhere to go. Thermal throttling gets worse which can slow the CPU down more and more.

It is either time to get out the Dremel and re-engineer your laptop for better air flow or be happy that your laptop is already running at about 95% of its potential. Going OCD for that last 5% is rarely worth it.

Regarding the thermal paste I used the Arctic Mx-4 following some comments before buying, the same as other people with the same Nitro 5, but I could try this one next year.

I think I am looking for something that I already reached, maybe...

Either way I really appreciate your help and your time in answer my questions. Thank you so much!

 

[unclewebb]

Some people have not had great long term results with MX-4 when applied direct die to laptop CPUs.

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[virga]

Thank you all for your shared knowledge!

Reporting in on my 9300H undervolt:
Lenovo Legion Y540-15IRH.
-150 mV Cache, -300 mV Core
Cinebench 2060~ (max 2093)
47.8W, board 60W TDP

84*C under load, 88*C max

-185 mV Cahce, -370 mV core, unstable under speed shift

1660 ti Mobile
1725 Hz (+135 Hz core) @ 768 mV (-32 mV)
6800 (+800 Hz Memory)
5700~ 3dMarks Time Spy
Stays below board 80W TDP

64*C under load